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    Hello All!

    This is my first attempt at making a homebrew class. I don't have the fluff for it written up yet, but it's a racial class for Dragonborn with particularly potent dragon heritage. Please review and let me know what you think, if it's too OP in some places or what modifications I can make. Please be constructive.

    Thanks so much for your time and comments!

    version 0.3 updated based of feedback recieved so far is live here please review when you have a chance. Let me know if you think I've over corrected on the breath weapon upgrades.

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    This is the class I didn't know I wanted, but definitely needed.
    I'm not good at balancing classes, but I can point out a few things that immediately jump out at me. Hopefully you get more detailed analyzes from someone more used to balancing classes than me.

    Unarmored Defense: I don't know why it is, but isn't this normally a 2nd level feature? I'm just assuming the developers set that precedent for a reason.

    Sharp Claws: The phrasing is non-standard, but very clear. Do your claws have the light property? I think you could reword this feature, to make it just a bit clearer and easy-to-read.

    Draconic Evolution: 26 words before the first period is not good writing. I have a feeling this is going to be a theme. It's easier to introduce 3rd party content to a player if the format is familiar to what he is used to. Please look at existing features to make it sound like it all came from the same source. This feature, for example, could use the exact same phrasing as invocations. Replacing evolutions also sound weird. There's precedent for permanent choices with cantrips. I think you should implement that here.

    Draconic Path:
    You're missing the part between Ability Score Improvements and Draconic Evolution where you explain that the player chooses a path at 3rd level.
    Dragon Soul: The phrasing is again very weird and unprecedented. It doesn't bother me, but is likely to bother players who are used to official content. You are basically giving granting the the warlock's spellcasting class feature with a twist, treat it as such. I love Sheer Will, so thematic!
    Dragon Mind: So Soul gains 1 spell per short rest and Mind gains... skills? The 7th level feature seems fine however.
    Dragon's Might: This seems fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjarkmundur View Post
    Unarmored Defense: I don't know why it is, but isn't this normally a 2nd level feature? I'm just assuming the developers set that precedent for a reason.
    Unarmored Defense is always a first level feature. Otherwise Monks would be very sad.

    EDIT: I had a more in-depth review here, but my browser interpreted backspace as "go to previous page".

    Basically, I don't see what you're going to do in a fight unless you take the caster subclass. You're an incredibly weak melee combatant that's pushed towards being unarmed and unarmored. The Dragonborn's breath weapon still scales very poorly, so that'll maybe be useful for a few levels, tops.

    On the other hand, someone who takes the Path of the Dragon's Soul and then only takes Bottomless Fire is the most broken half-caster in the game. 13 5th level spell slots per short rest, spells cherry-picked from different lists, tons of cantrips...
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    Did I miss the part where it tells proficiencies, hit die, saves etc?

    Wording on Unarmored Defense needs review. Currently your AC caps at 10. You may want to make it “Your scales toughen, continuing to harden as you age, granting you an AC of 10+your Con+Cha when not wearing armor.” Though I would probably make it Dex and Cha or Dex and Con. Also need to decide if they can retain the benefit with a shield.

    Magical nature might want to read “attacks with natural weapons and unarmed attacks” since they’re apparently not the same thing to some people.

    Dragon Apotheosis needs some clarification. As is it appears to increase your size and HP for 10 hours/rest since it only references taking their form and hit dice (probably want to make that HP not HD).

    I think you were going for a Wildshape like ability in which case you have to mention the whole “use the creature’s statblock with the following exceptions, your retain your own int, wis, Cha, and skill proficiencies. The Dragon Shape loses any Shapechange trait (since it turns into you already).

    Dragon Soul seems like a lot of inferred values based on maths. You might want to just make a chart like Eldritch knight or Arcane trickster do.

    Language needs tightening up since you don’t seem to have slots, trading breaths, but some features reference spending slots. And having spell slots referenced on the main table is confusing.

    Also, you need to name the spell lists they can pull from.

    Dragon Mind path looks okay I guess. I was never a fan of the Draconic Sorc capstone.

    Draconic Might Path: Class does not really support use of weapons or armor and the level 20 feature negates both, so a fighting style seems a poor choice unless you’re MCing.

    Draconic Rage... feels out of place in this class, I’d LEGO some of these traits into other ones and try to think of something else.

    Superior form, might want your elemental resist to upgrade to Immunity.

    I think that whole path needs a rework. You might want to focus on Draconic features, here’s a rough take:
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    3rd: Draconic Vigor- you gain the Powerful Build trait and HP increase by 3 and 1 per level in this class

    7th: Dragonoid- your limbs subtly change proportion and your neck elongates like that of a dragon in your line. at the beginning of each round you can decide to assume a more dragonlike stance. If you do you gain a bonus to your move speeds equal to 5 x your Proficiency bonus and Reach with attacks on your turn, you lose the benefits of this stance if you are knocked prone or do not have a free hand to stabilize yourself. You can attack with natural weapons normally in this stance.

    10th: Brutal Breath- in your Dragonoid stance your breath weapon damage dice increase to d8s. When ever you roll initiative and have no uses of your breath, you regain 1 use.

    15th: Draconic Savagery: when you hit a single target with two claw attacks on your turn you can tear a target’s flesh for an additional d8 slashing damage

    18th: Superior Form- you regain HP when you’re at less that 50% and your Elemental resist becomes Immunity


    Evolutions:

    Bite Evolution should probably require you to take the Attack action to trigger it and needs a damage die. I’d also recommend a bonus d4 of their breath damage. These guys cap at 3 attacks/round and don’t use equipment, you’ll want some buffs.

    Enhanced senses... is fine, I might make it “you can make perception checks using a bonus action or reaction. When you do you gain the benefit of blindsense 30 ft. Similar to the dragons legendary Detect action.

    Not bad overall. I’d probably put Apotheosis at 11 with a Wyrmling, have it improve to Young at 16. It’s such a defining feature that completely changes the way the class plays, seems a shame to leave it like Tantalus’ grapes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjarkmundur View Post
    This is the class I didn't know I wanted, but definitely needed.
    I'm not good at balancing classes, but I can point out a few things that immediately jump out at me. Hopefully you get more detailed analyzes from someone more used to balancing classes than me.
    Thanks! This is something I've had in the back of my head for a while now and finally sat down yesterday to put it all down on paper, mostly because a friend of mine is planning on running an evil campaign and I think its about high time I play test this little gem. I have more evolutions to come, want to add more options and all that can expand certain play styles, like something to incentivize using the unarmed strikes over weapons for example.
    Unarmored Defense: I don't know why it is, but isn't this normally a 2nd level feature? I'm just assuming the developers set that precedent for a reason.
    Definitely a first level ability. Level one in this class is basically the same as the first level in monk.
    Sharp Claws: The phrasing is non-standard, but very clear. Do your claws have the light property? I think you could reword this feature, to make it just a bit clearer and easy-to-read.
    This has been simplified to read "Your claws are exceptionWhen making an unarmed strike you can roll a d6 in place of the normal damage of your unarmed strike. This die changes as you gain levels, as shown in the above table."
    Draconic Evolution: 26 words before the first period is not good writing. I have a feeling this is going to be a theme. It's easier to introduce 3rd party content to a player if the format is familiar to what he is used to. Please look at existing features to make it sound like it all came from the same source. This feature, for example, could use the exact same phrasing as invocations. Replacing evolutions also sound weird. There's precedent for permanent choices with cantrips. I think you should implement that here.
    This has been altered to more closely match the invocations it was based on. Also more evolution to follow.
    Draconic Path: You're missing the part between Ability Score Improvements and Draconic Evolution where you explain that the player chooses a path at 3rd level.
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    Dragon Soul: The phrasing is again very weird and unprecedented. It doesn't bother me, but is likely to bother players who are used to official content. You are basically giving granting the the warlock's spellcasting class feature with a twist, treat it as such. I love Sheer Will, so thematic!
    This section has now been altered to mimic Pact Magic, instead only specifying the differences and changes to make things simpler.
    Dragon Mind: So Soul gains 1 spell per short rest and Mind gains... skills? The 7th level feature seems fine however.
    Do you have any suggestions that I could add to this that would fit in with the skill monkey/influential face theme of the subclass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BerzerkerUnit View Post
    Did I miss the part where it tells proficiencies, hit die, saves etc?

    Wording on Unarmored Defense needs review. Currently your AC caps at 10. You may want to make it “Your scales toughen, continuing to harden as you age, granting you an AC of 10+your Con+Cha when not wearing armor.” Though I would probably make it Dex and Cha or Dex and Con. Also need to decide if they can retain the benefit with a shield.
    Wording had been updated. Went with Charisma since it's also the casting stat and keeps the class from trying to use too many skills at once.
    Magical nature might want to read “attacks with natural weapons and unarmed attacks” since they’re apparently not the same thing to some people.
    This has been updated throughout. thank you.
    Dragon Apotheosis needs some clarification. As is it appears to increase your size and HP for 10 hours/rest since it only references taking their form and hit dice (probably want to make that HP not HD).

    I think you were going for a Wildshape like ability in which case you have to mention the whole “use the creature’s statblock with the following exceptions, your retain your own int, wis, Cha, and skill proficiencies. The Dragon Shape loses any Shapechange trait (since it turns into you already).

    Not bad overall. I’d probably put Apotheosis at 11 with a Wyrmling, have it improve to Young at 16. It’s such a defining feature that completely changes the way the class plays, seems a shame to leave it like Tantalus’ grapes.
    Honestly I had that in there originally but I was afraid it would make the class too strong. I've added it back in, and moved apotheosis to lvl 18 instead. I think 16 is a little earlier to be getting access to that high a he
    Dragon Soul seems like a lot of inferred values based on maths. You might want to just make a chart like Eldritch knight or Arcane trickster do.
    This has been altered to have a table, and removed the using breath weapon attacks for it so the bottomless fire evolution doesn't outright break the Soul Path
    Language needs tightening up since you don’t seem to have slots, trading breaths, but some features reference spending slots. And having spell slots referenced on the main table is confusing.
    Also, you need to name the spell lists they can pull from.
    Updated. Cantrips, and the 2 spells gained via features are still any arcane spell from any list. The rest are from with wizard spell list.
    Dragon Mind path looks okay I guess. I was never a fan of the Draconic Sorc capstone.
    I've buffed this a bit now, adding in one of my favorite eldritch invocations that is also thematic as a feature, and buffed hear me and commanding presence a bit as well. hear me can now be used tactically to inflict disadvantage against breath attacks or commanding presence, and commanding presence does not have a limit on use and functions more like the frightful presence of an actual dragon instead of the neutered sorcerer version.
    Draconic Might Path: Class does not really support use of weapons or armor and the level 20 feature negates both, so a fighting style seems a poor choice unless you’re MCing.

    Draconic Rage... feels out of place in this class, I’d LEGO some of these traits into other ones and try to think of something else.

    Superior form, might want your elemental resist to upgrade to Immunity.

    I think that whole path needs a rework. You might want to focus on Draconic features, here’s a rough take:
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    3rd: Draconic Vigor- you gain the Powerful Build trait and HP increase by 3 and 1 per level in this class

    7th: Dragonoid- your limbs subtly change proportion and your neck elongates like that of a dragon in your line. at the beginning of each round you can decide to assume a more dragonlike stance. If you do you gain a bonus to your move speeds equal to 5 x your Proficiency bonus and Reach with attacks on your turn, you lose the benefits of this stance if you are knocked prone or do not have a free hand to stabilize yourself. You can attack with natural weapons normally in this stance.

    10th: Brutal Breath- in your Dragonoid stance your breath weapon damage dice increase to d8s. When ever you roll initiative and have no uses of your breath, you regain 1 use.

    15th: Draconic Savagery: when you hit a single target with two claw attacks on your turn you can tear a target’s flesh for an additional d8 slashing damage

    18th: Superior Form- you regain HP when you’re at less that 50% and your Elemental resist becomes Immunity
    I've done some heavy reworking on this path as well based off of your suggestions. I realized that draconic rage and brutal were both doing basically the same thing and dropped the rage, moving brutal into the lvl 10 feature slot and having it work exclusively with claw attacks. I added martial weapon and heavy armor proficiency to shore the class up in early levels when stats are low, or for those who don't care about charisma at all. Instead of draconic rage the class now gets access to a limited use reaction based on hellish rebuke, and you brutal fire feature at lvl 15 to make the breath weapons particularly deadly.

    Superior form is unchanged, I feel like immunity in dragon form is already enough, this adds an additional layer of toughness.
    Evolutions:

    Bite Evolution should probably require you to take the Attack action to trigger it and needs a damage die. I’d also recommend a bonus d4 of their breath damage. These guys cap at 3 attacks/round and don’t use equipment, you’ll want some buffs.

    Enhanced senses... is fine, I might make it “you can make perception checks using a bonus action or reaction. When you do you gain the benefit of blindsense 30 ft. Similar to the dragons legendary Detect action.
    Bite was updated to be after taking the attack action or when you have an opponent grappled. I've also added another evolution called grappling claws, that gives the player easy access to grapples to take advantage of bite's auto crit. I buffed the damage a bit like you mentioned as well.

    I've also added another evolution to help incentivize claws over weapons called rending claws. Adds charisma modifier elemental damage to claw attacks increasing their damage.

    Tactical break provides more breath weapon shape options.

    I've also reworked to breath weapon damage to be on par with a fireball. It is generally inferior to the fireball spell due to reduced range and worse "shape" but has equivalent damage.

    Any thoughts or ideas on things I can do better in the mind path would be appreciated as well. The new file will be uploaded shortly.

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    Sharp Claws should probably clarify if it merely allows the use of Dex or grants the finesse property to natural weapons/unarmed strikes. (See the auto-crit combo below for more).

    Path of the dragon's soul shows full warlock spellcasting. If the base class is at all usable, bring that down to 1/3 pact magic. (I'm assuming that condition is what you want).

    Alter Self has no associated level, despite being listed under the Path of the Dragon’s Mind. I suspect it was meant to be listed as a Draconic Evolution, in which case I suggest a level prerequisite; one at least close to when Master of Myriad Forms becomes available (15th level). You can maybe justify 9th level as the absolute lowest.

    Trip Attack is kind of odd, due to the existing Shove action:
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    Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.

    The target must be no more than one size larger than you and must be within your reach. Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target's Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the ability to use). You succeed automatically if the target is incapacitated. If you succeed, you either knock the target prone or push it 5 feet away from you.
    I suggest having it make the PC count as one size larger for the purposes to knocking a creature prone, and to let the PC make shove attempts as a bonus action. That way the player doesn't need to learn new rules for how this shove works. Also, is there a reason it has a level prerequisite instead of requiring Prehensile Tail?

    Grappling Claws + Bite. From only a three level dip, if you land both natural attacks, you can auto-crit on the same turn. I suggest replacing "If the opponent is grappled at the time of the bite," with "If you make a bite attack against a creature you are grappling," to make completely clear it can't count as your second attack from Grappling Claws (you attack before succeeding on the attack, but grapple/crit order on a hit is less clear). I would then like to suggest a level prerequisite for at least one of these (Probably Bite).

    Suggestions for additional Evolutions:
    Various Bonuses to sight
    Swim speed
    Climbing speed
    The amphibious trait (likely at 5th or 7th level).
    Special, status inducing breaths like the metallics have (as separate evolutions). These should probably be limited to high levels, and once/rest.
    White dragon's Ice Walk
    Stolen from 4th edition, allow the PC to make a breath attack as a reaction the first time they drop below half health (refreshes on a rest).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmote View Post
    Sharp Claws should probably clarify if it merely allows the use of Dex or grants the finesse property to natural weapons/unarmed strikes. (See the auto-crit combo below for more).
    This has been slightly reworded to more closely match the Monk's martial arts feature, which it is based off of. I suspect they don't say it has finesse instead because unarmed strikes do not use weapons.
    Path of the dragon's soul shows full warlock spellcasting. If the base class is at all usable, bring that down to 1/3 pact magic. (I'm assuming that condition is what you want).
    The spellcasting is reduced. They have the same number of total slots yes, but the spells known and slot level are both at a reduced pace, matching the pace of other half caster classes. I didn't reduce the spell slots themselves due to this class not having access to the plethora of spell abilities granted through invocations that warlocks have. Comparing to other half caster classes for example a lvl 9 ranger can cast 4 lvl 1 spells, 3 lvl 2 spells, and 2 lvl 3 spells per long rest. Instead the Dragon's Soul casts 2 lvl 3 spells per short rest. Basically it's balancing having less spell slots over all by recharging on short rests and casting at max lvl.
    Alter Self has no associated level, despite being listed under the Path of the Dragon’s Mind. I suspect it was meant to be listed as a Draconic Evolution, in which case I suggest a level prerequisite; one at least close to when Master of Myriad Forms becomes available (15th level). You can maybe justify 9th level as the absolute lowest.
    This was a typo in my text thanks for bringing this up. Forceful personality is the 10th lvl feater, alter self the 15th, same level as master of myriad forms. This has been corrected.
    Trip Attack is kind of odd, due to the existing Shove action:
    I suggest having it make the PC count as one size larger for the purposes to knocking a creature prone, and to let the PC make shove attempts as a bonus action. That way the player doesn't need to learn new rules for how this shove works. Also, is there a reason it has a level prerequisite instead of requiring Prehensile Tail?
    I hadn't considered the shove action. It is now a bonus action shove usable with a tail. I originally had prehensile tail as a prerequisite, but don't wanted this to also be available to str based characters instead of only the dex focused ones. Both it and prehensile tail have been updated to differentiate them more, and simplify. renamed to muscled tail.
    Grappling Claws + Bite. From only a three level dip, if you land both natural attacks, you can auto-crit on the same turn. I suggest replacing "If the opponent is grappled at the time of the bite," with "If you make a bite attack against a creature you are grappling," to make completely clear it can't count as your second attack from Grappling Claws (you attack before succeeding on the attack, but grapple/crit order on a hit is less clear). I would then like to suggest a level prerequisite for at least one of these (Probably Bite).
    I've simplified the wording to just being a bonus action to clear up that it cannot be part of the normal attack, and added a lvl 5 prerequisite to all path specific evolutions to counter small dips for them.
    Suggestions for additional Evolutions:
    Various Bonuses to sight
    Swim speed
    Climbing speed
    The amphibious trait (likely at 5th or 7th level).
    Special, status inducing breaths like the metallics have (as separate evolutions). These should probably be limited to high levels, and once/rest.
    White dragon's Ice Walk
    Stolen from 4th edition, allow the PC to make a breath attack as a reaction the first time they drop below half health (refreshes on a rest).
    Flavor update to enhanced sense has been made and other evolutions adding options for underground and underwater campaigns as well. I also really like your idea for the status breath's and have added them as evolutions as well. Icewalk is added without a level requirement since it's pretty situational, the rest have a level 15 requirement, have reduced ranges and effects, and are once per rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheClaimer View Post
    The spellcasting is reduced. They have the same number of total slots yes, but the spells known and slot level are both at a reduced pace, matching the pace of other half caster classes. I didn't reduce the spell slots themselves due to this class not having access to the plethora of spell abilities granted through invocations that warlocks have. Comparing to other half caster classes for example a lvl 9 ranger can cast 4 lvl 1 spells, 3 lvl 2 spells, and 2 lvl 3 spells per long rest. Instead the Dragon's Soul casts 2 lvl 3 spells per short rest. Basically it's balancing having less spell slots over all by recharging on short rests and casting at max lvl.
    The number of spell slots is listed as the full progression, which is why I misread it. You should still reduce both that and the spell level to 1/3, same as the Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster have. Considering this is a Path feature, it really should act like those.

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    Flavor update to enhanced sense has been made and other evolutions adding options for underground and underwater campaigns as well. I also really like your idea for the status breath's and have added them as evolutions as well. Icewalk is added without a level requirement since it's pretty situational, the rest have a level 15 requirement, have reduced ranges and effects, and are once per rest.
    Weakening Breath and Paralyzing breath are missing the level requirement, and I'd push Paralyzing breath back to 18th level. Note that Hold Monster requires concentration and can't hit multiple targets as regularly.

    In contrast I'd drop Repulsing breath down to 12th level, so there isn't as big a clump of evolutions at 15th.

    Dragon's Eyes should have a radius it applies in, and I'd also push it back to 18th. Alternatively, you could grant darkvision or the effects of the See Invisibility spell well before 15th level. That could also be a prerequisite for Dragon's Eyes, given how insanely strong Truesight is. In comparison, True Seeing is a 6th level spell and lasts 1/24 the time.

    I missed this before, but Tactical Breath says the breath can be "centered on your target," which isn't clear. If that isn't supposed to read "centered on yourself," I would say "centered on a target within X feet of you."

    I would standardize ability score requirements with existing material, and make the prerequisite 13th level.


    Overall I think this class is really cool flavor wise. There's just some wonky stuff from the way Invocations/Evolutions work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmote View Post
    The number of spell slots is listed as the full progression, which is why I misread it. You should still reduce both that and the spell level to 1/3, same as the Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster have. Considering this is a Path feature, it really should act like those.
    So looking over this I see my big mistake. I was basing everything off of half caster classes instead of the third caster subclasses. The entire subclass has been reworked to be based off the sorcerer spell casting instead of warlock since there aren't really any warlock style examples. I've also reworked some of the features to improve flavor and adjust based on the third caster sublcass instead. so now at 15th level class gets upgrades to the familiar and can use a pseudodragon familiar in ways no other class can, and now the 20th level capstone is an upgraded version of the wizards spell mastery since it comes at 20 instead of 18.
    Weakening Breath and Paralyzing breath are missing the level requirement, and I'd push Paralyzing breath back to 18th level. Note that Hold Monster requires concentration and can't hit multiple targets as regularly.

    In contrast I'd drop Repulsing breath down to 12th level, so there isn't as big a clump of evolutions at 15th.
    Sleep and slowing are staying at 15, paralyzing breath was moved to 18, and repulsion and weakening have been reduced to 12.
    Dragon's Eyes should have a radius it applies in, and I'd also push it back to 18th. Alternatively, you could grant darkvision or the effects of the See Invisibility spell well before 15th level. That could also be a prerequisite for Dragon's Eyes, given how insanely strong Truesight is. In comparison, True Seeing is a 6th level spell and lasts 1/24 the time.
    Added prerequisite, radius, and enhanced senses prerequisite.
    I missed this before, but Tactical Breath says the breath can be "centered on your target," which isn't clear. If that isn't supposed to read "centered on yourself," I would say "centered on a target within X feet of you."
    I agree and this has been updated. I adjusted the radius down to 10ft when using this, and have the range at 30ft to target.
    I would standardize ability score requirements with existing material, and make the prerequisite 13th level.
    Updated
    Overall I think this class is really cool flavor wise. There's just some wonky stuff from the way Invocations/Evolutions work.
    Thanks! I've had this in the back of my head for a while, and now I have a game coming up and am hoping to get it all worked up so I can play test it.
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    Double post to bump as well as keep separate from feedback for organizations sake.

    so right now it looks like I have the martial and magical subclasses nailed down pretty good. I'm really hoping now to get some feedback on the social subclass, path of the dragon's mind. I feel like it's a little on the under-powered/lackluster side and am looking for ideas on how to spruce it up a bit.

    Also I'll be playtesting this class here starting in the next week or so. I've never really tested a homebrew class before, and was hoping for a little advice on things to watch out for or to make sure to do so I can give it a good thorough testing.

    I really do appreciate everyone's feedback and help so far and upcoming. I've been on other sites and reddit and everyone here is just so much more polite and helpful than what I'm used to it's great!

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