The Order of the Stick: Utterly Dwarfed
The Order of the Stick: Utterly Dwarfed - Coming in December and available for pre-order now
Results 1 to 22 of 22
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    zinycor's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2013

    Default Ravnican Vampire

    So I am going to start a new campaign at Ravnica and the Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica book doesn't include a Vampire race. Now, Ravnican vampires don't have any weakness to sunlight, but also don't have the more incredible powers.

    Ravnican Vampire
    • Ability Score Increase. Charisma increases by 1 and two other different ability scores increase by 1
    • Age. Ravnican Vampires get to unlive for as long as they get to continue to feed on blood. Their appearance remains the same as the moment they got turned.
    • Size. Your size depends on whatever race your character was before you turned into a Vampire
    • Speed. Your base movement speed is 30 feet.
    • Undead Abomination. Your creature type is undead, rather than humanoid.
    • Darkvision. 120 feet
    • Hematophagous. As a Ravnican Vampires you get your life sustenance only from blood. you are able to eat and drink other food, however only blood can sustain your existence. Your body decomposes after a week without drinking blood.
    • Humanoid Hunter. You gain proficiency on one of the following skills: Stealth, Deception, Intimidation.
    • Bite. Your fanged maw is a natural weapon, which you can use to make unarmed strikes. If you hit with it, you deal Necrotic damage equal to 1d6 + your Strength modifier, instead of the bludgeoning damage normal for an unarmed strike. You also gain temporary hit points equal to half the damage dealt by the Bite (A minimum of one)
    • Languages. You speak common and another language of your choice.



    EDIT: Added a +1 to charisma, and moved the amount of temporary HP gained from the bite from Charisma Modifier to half of damage Dealt by bite. Changed Darkvision into 120 feet.
    EDIT: What about Some Spellcasting? Would that be OK?
    Last edited by zinycor; 2019-08-20 at 11:36 PM.
    Last son of the Lu-Ching dynasty

    thog is the champion, thog's friends! and thog keeps on fighting to the end!

    Thanks to zimmerwald for the amazing avatar

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    PaladinGuy

    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    90 feet under
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Any weaknesses? Any special powers? So far, its kind of weak. Having to drain victims of blood, on a daily basis, is a huge drawback to those weak gains. Society frowns when you try to turn them to nothing more than cattle.

    To answer your question, yes on the +charisma. It's a hallmark of vampires.

    Also, do you want all vampires to get speed 30? What if the original race had more than 30 speed? If the original race had darkvision, does the vampire get better dark vision? Again, if the answers to these two things are "nah"...then this condition sucks even more
    Rule 0: The most IMPORTANT rule of D&D. There is no more important rule than this rule. This is a game, and as such, you do everything you can to ensure everyone has fun. /TheEnd

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    zinycor's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2013

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
    Any weaknesses? Any special powers? So far, its kind of weak. Having to drain victims of blood, on a daily basis, is a huge drawback to those weak gains. Society frowns when you try to turn them to nothing more than cattle.

    To answer your question, yes on the +charisma. It's a hallmark of vampires.

    A few things:
    1- The character doesn't actually need to drain humanoid victims, they could feed on animals if they wished, even though that would be lame xD
    2- Society on ravnica doesn't really frown on vampires.

    Quote Originally Posted by furby076 View Post
    Also, do you want all vampires to get speed 30? What if the original race had more than 30 speed? If the original race had darkvision, does the vampire get better dark vision? Again, if the answers to these two things are "nah"...then this condition sucks even more
    Nah.

    ....

    Having said that I will make changes.
    Last edited by zinycor; 2019-08-20 at 11:12 PM.
    Last son of the Lu-Ching dynasty

    thog is the champion, thog's friends! and thog keeps on fighting to the end!

    Thanks to zimmerwald for the amazing avatar

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    NecromancerGuy

    Join Date
    Jul 2016

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Plane Shift Zendikar has a playable vampire. And because Zendikar is a MTG setting, it maybe a more appropriate version.

    https://media.wizards.com/2016/downl...20Zendikar.pdf

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    zinycor's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2013

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by Garfunion View Post
    Plane Shift Zendikar has a playable vampire. And because Zendikar is a MTG setting, it maybe a more appropriate version.

    https://media.wizards.com/2016/downl...20Zendikar.pdf
    I saw it, I found it pretty lame.

    EDIT: What about Some Spellcasting? Would that be OK?
    Last edited by zinycor; 2019-08-20 at 11:36 PM.
    Last son of the Lu-Ching dynasty

    thog is the champion, thog's friends! and thog keeps on fighting to the end!

    Thanks to zimmerwald for the amazing avatar

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    NecromancerGuy

    Join Date
    Jul 2016

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by zinycor View Post
    I saw it, I found it pretty lame.

    EDIT: What about Some Spellcasting? Would that be OK?
    You could alway copy/edit the Drow race. They are pretty close to vampires.

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    zinycor's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2013

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by Garfunion View Post
    You could alway copy/edit the Drow race. They are pretty close to vampires.
    Will consider it.
    Last son of the Lu-Ching dynasty

    thog is the champion, thog's friends! and thog keeps on fighting to the end!

    Thanks to zimmerwald for the amazing avatar

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    NecromancerGuy

    Join Date
    Jul 2016

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Some issues I have with most vampire race/templates;
    •Blood dependence is not fun unless all the players are vampires.
    •I believe that becoming a vampire alters the race to much, for the race to retain its racial features, except for size and appearance.
    •Playable vampires should not be undead unless the group are all vampires and the campaign is designed for it.
    •All playable characters are proficient in unarmed strike, which means you do not need to give them a special bite attack other than piercing damage instead of bludgeoning damage.
    Last edited by Garfunion; 2019-08-21 at 12:23 AM.

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    zinycor's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2013

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by Garfunion View Post
    Some issues I have with most vampire race/templates;
    •Blood dependence is not fun unless all the players are vampires.
    Ravnica is a plane-city getting access to blood should be easy, even for good aligned vampires, which aren't that rare

    Quote Originally Posted by Garfunion View Post
    •I believe that becoming a vampire alters the race to much, for the race to retain its racial features, except for size and appearance.
    Am not making a template, just a race.


    Quote Originally Posted by Garfunion View Post
    •Playable vampires should not be undead unless the group are all vampires and the campaign is designed for it.
    Any reason for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garfunion View Post
    •All playable characters are proficient in unarmed strike, which means you do not need to give them a special bite attack other than piercing damage instead of bludgeoning damage.
    I agree with this. that's why I gave it necrotic damage and a magic effect over it.
    Last son of the Lu-Ching dynasty

    thog is the champion, thog's friends! and thog keeps on fighting to the end!

    Thanks to zimmerwald for the amazing avatar

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    NecromancerGuy

    Join Date
    Jul 2016

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Any reason for this?
    Healing spells and a cleric’s turn undead.

  11. - Top - End - #11
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    zinycor's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2013

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by Garfunion View Post
    Healing spells and a cleric’s turn undead.
    Seems like an easy fix
    Last son of the Lu-Ching dynasty

    thog is the champion, thog's friends! and thog keeps on fighting to the end!

    Thanks to zimmerwald for the amazing avatar

  12. - Top - End - #12
    Firbolg in the Playground
     
    Fable Wright's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    So, there are three kinds of vampire in Ravnica, and you can make subraces for those.

    There are the Moroii, who drain youth and memories, and are primarily operatives of Dimir.
    There are Orzhovian vampires, who are mid-ranking members who have been granted immortality, but one that still ties them to the needs of the living—and thus forever in need of blood, which allows coin to flow into the Obzedat's coffers.
    Then there are the guildless vampires—strange, skeletal creatures shunned by civilized society and who hold unusual powers, and are obviously monstrous.

    My recommendation would simply have the first and the second be backgrounds, rather than a race, and the latter are the vampire stat block monsters. After all, in theory, any race could become a vampire... and it makes no sense for them to lose their racial mechanics for it.
    Used to be DMofDarkness
    Old avatar by Elagune.
    Spoiler: Collection of Signature Quotes
    Show

  13. - Top - End - #13
    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    PaladinGuy

    Join Date
    Mar 2013

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    - I’d add/change dark vision so you can see perfectly as if it were bright light up to 60 ft.

    - I’d add +2 to cha

    - the bite I’d add +con modifier to it, make it a bonus action vs willing/grappled/paralyzed/etc enemies, and be enough to satiate your hunger for period X. It should first heal you, then grant temp HP if you are fully healed.

    - once per long rest misty step reflaoured as a cloud of mist or cloud of bats, etc

    - complete inability to use any radiant damage: any spell or ability used that deals radiant damage fizzles and does not work due to your undead nature. Can’t use any object or weapon that deals radiant damage.

    Might want to add vampiric racial feat(s), f,ex stuff that grants claw attacks and changes the die of the bite attack to a scaling die, and/or grants advantage on grapple checks vs humanoid targets.

  14. - Top - End - #14
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    NecromancerGuy

    Join Date
    Jul 2016

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by zinycor View Post
    Seems like an easy fix
    So you are going to add additional mechanics to circumvent the healing problem, when all you need to do is not make them undead.

    I like to look at vampires that are in the monster manual as, vampires who have completely lost their connection with “humanity”. While playable vampires still hold on to some of their “humanity”.

  15. - Top - End - #15
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    NecromancerGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2007

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Vampirs not something you start as in Ravnica, it's something that higher ranking members of the Dimir or Orzhov can earn as a reward. As such, I wouldn't stat them up as a race, but rather as a Boon that mid+ level characters in those guilds can access once they've reached a particular rank, as a reward for bringing in eniugh of the resources those guilds value - secrets for the Dimir, debts & debtors' souls for the Orzhov.

    Could/should probably come up with boons of similar value for members of the other guilds while you're at it. Maybe a similarly streamlined version of revenany or lichdom for Golgari, symbiotic daemonic possession for Rakdos, etc.
    The pursuit of knowledge requires a mind unfettered by the petty constraints of ethics, faith, or ... mortality.

  16. - Top - End - #16
    Orc in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2013

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by Garfunion View Post
    Plane Shift Zendikar has a playable vampire. And because Zendikar is a MTG setting, it maybe a more appropriate version.

    https://media.wizards.com/2016/downl...20Zendikar.pdf
    If you're going to use a vampire from magic the gathering, use Ixalan, not Zendikar. The vampires in Plane Shift: Zendikar were half-finished at best and clearly meant for NPCs only.

    Here's the stat block for Ixalan's vampires:
    Your vampire character has the following traits.

    Ability Score Increase. Your Charisma score increases by 2, and your Wisdom score increases by 1.

    Age. Vampires don’t mature and age in the same way that other races do.

    Alignment. Vampires might not have an innate tendency toward evil, but many of them end up there. Evil or not, their strict hierarchies incline them toward a lawful alignment.

    Size. Vampires are the same size and build as humans. Your size is Medium.

    Speed. Your base walking speed is 30 feet.

    Darkvision. Thanks to your heritage, you have superior vision in dark and dim conditions. You can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light. You can’t discern color in darkness, only shades of gray.

    Vampiric Resistance. You have resistance to necrotic damage.

    Languages. You can speak, read, and write Common (if it exists in your campaign) and Vampire.

    Bloodthirst. You can drain blood and life energy from a willing creature, or one that is grappled by you, incapacitated, or restrained.
    Make a melee attack against the target. If you hit, you deal 1 piercing damage and 1d6 necrotic damage. The target’s hit point maximum is reduced by an amount equal to the necrotic damage taken, and you regain hit points equal to that amount. The reduction lasts until the target finishes a long rest. The target dies if this effect reduces its hit point maximum to 0.

    Feast of Blood. When you drain blood with your Bloodthirst ability, you experience a surge of vitality. Your speed increases by 10 feet, and you gain advantage on Strength and Dexterity checks and saving throws for 1 minute.

    They've also got a vampire-specific feat:
    Vampiric Exultation
    Prerequisite: Vampire (Ixalan)
    As an action, you can transform the lower half of your body into an inky black vapor, allowing you to float through the air. While transformed, you have a flying speed of 30 feet. You can maintain this form for up to 10
    minutes. Once you use this ability, you can’t use it again until you finish a short or long rest.
    I've run the race at my tables a few times and I haven't seen any issues as far as balance goes, though if you're keeping flight from low level players you might want to add a minimum level to the prereqs for Vampiric Exultation.
    Last edited by rmnimoc; 2019-08-21 at 09:12 AM.

  17. - Top - End - #17
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    ShikomeKidoMi's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2010

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Hm... With the tendency towards Law and Evil, those vampires wouldn't even require any fluff reworking to fit right in with the Dimir or Orzhov.

  18. - Top - End - #18
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    ClericGuy

    Join Date
    Jul 2013

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by zinycor View Post
    So I am going to start a new campaign at Ravnica and the Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica book doesn't include a Vampire race. Now, Ravnican vampires don't have any weakness to sunlight, but also don't have the more incredible powers.

    Ravnican Vampire
    • Ability Score Increase. Charisma increases by 1 and two other different ability scores increase by 1
    • Age. Ravnican Vampires get to unlive for as long as they get to continue to feed on blood. Their appearance remains the same as the moment they got turned.
    • Size. Your size depends on whatever race your character was before you turned into a Vampire
    • Speed. Your base movement speed is 30 feet.
    • Undead Abomination. Your creature type is undead, rather than humanoid.
    • Darkvision. 120 feet
    • Hematophagous. As a Ravnican Vampires you get your life sustenance only from blood. you are able to eat and drink other food, however only blood can sustain your existence. Your body decomposes after a week without drinking blood.
    • Humanoid Hunter. You gain proficiency on one of the following skills: Stealth, Deception, Intimidation.
    • Bite. Your fanged maw is a natural weapon, which you can use to make unarmed strikes. If you hit with it, you deal Necrotic damage equal to 1d6 + your Strength modifier, instead of the bludgeoning damage normal for an unarmed strike. You also gain temporary hit points equal to half the damage dealt by the Bite (A minimum of one)
    • Languages. You speak common and another language of your choice.



    EDIT: Added a +1 to charisma, and moved the amount of temporary HP gained from the bite from Charisma Modifier to half of damage Dealt by bite. Changed Darkvision into 120 feet.
    EDIT: What about Some Spellcasting? Would that be OK?
    Have you looked at the Planeshift supplemental published by WOTC?

    https://media.wizards.com/2018/downl...ift_ixalan.pdf

    I'd suggest using the Vampire published here.
    78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.

    Where did you start yours?

    In a mountain after a cave-in.

    MY STATS OFF THE ELITE ARRAY:
    Str: 14 Dex: 8 Con: 12 Int: 15 Wis: 10 Cha: 11

    Quote Originally Posted by Vrock_Summoner View Post
    I wish I had you for a DM...

  19. - Top - End - #19
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Lizardfolk

    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Perth, Western Australia
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Cam here solely to recommend the Ixalan vampire, others have already beaten me to it.

    So for generations did the sainted skull of Caius Anicius Magnus Furius Camillus Æmilianus Cornelius Valerius Pompeius Julius Ibidus, consul of Rome, favourite of emperors, and saint of the Romish church, lie hidden beneath the soil of a growing town. At first worshipped with dark rites by the prairie-dogs, who saw in it a deity sent from the upper world..
    - H.P. Lovecraft, "Ibid".

  20. - Top - End - #20
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    PaladinGuy

    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Location
    Iceland
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Two threads require two comments!

    Don't know what a Ravnican Vampire is, but I've learned that being a vampire usually leaves little time for adventuring. Most of the time you're busy doing vampire things. I also learned that trying to add ALL the things iconic to a vampire to PC race is just a hot mess. Vampires come with a lot of baggage, both mechanically and RP-wise. I'd rather opt for a half-vampire, which allows me to throw away some annoying and limiting traits in order to end up with something more reasonable. It's customization without making the players wonder "why is this vampire different from the other vampires"?

    But I'm guessing this Ravnican Vampire isn't like the MM one?
    Last edited by Bjarkmundur; 2019-08-23 at 03:54 AM.

    Spoiler: How to Make Custom Monsters
    Show

    The damage column shows total damage output on hit over an entire round, and is modified based on factors like recharge, AoE etc.

  21. - Top - End - #21
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    Lizardfolk

    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Perth, Western Australia
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by Bjarkmundur View Post
    Don't know what a Ravnican Vampire is
    Ravnica is a plane from Magic: the Gathering, a sprawling world that is almost all city (or ruins of one) that we have seen. There are vampires, but instead of being things that hide away, in Ravnica, some come into positions of power through their allegiance to the guilds who run the city. Most we have seen were either connected to the Dimir (a secretive conclave of spies, assassins and covert agents) or the Orzhov (who run both the major banking organisations, AND one of the most prosperous religions in that world).

    Most tend to be at least cogent, refined beings (although there are exceptions - there are "wild" vampires who revert to nearly feral, abomination-like entities (there is a card called Skeletal Vampire, which is exactly what you think it looks like)), some of which engage with high-society balls and functions.

    So for generations did the sainted skull of Caius Anicius Magnus Furius Camillus Æmilianus Cornelius Valerius Pompeius Julius Ibidus, consul of Rome, favourite of emperors, and saint of the Romish church, lie hidden beneath the soil of a growing town. At first worshipped with dark rites by the prairie-dogs, who saw in it a deity sent from the upper world..
    - H.P. Lovecraft, "Ibid".

  22. - Top - End - #22
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    NecromancerGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2007

    Default Re: Ravnican Vampire

    Quote Originally Posted by Bjarkmundur View Post
    But I'm guessing this Ravnican Vampire isn't like the MM one?
    Vampires in Ravnica are faster (speed 40), stronger (high stats all round) and tougher (resistant to necrotic & non-magical weapons) than ther were as mortals, plus they can fly, and don't age. Most must subsist on blood, though thise of the Dimir can instead drain the thoughts and memories of their victims to sustain themselves. They lack some of the more outlandish abilities & weaknesses associated with vampires in other settings, though. No cloud form, no sunlight weakness, etc.
    The pursuit of knowledge requires a mind unfettered by the petty constraints of ethics, faith, or ... mortality.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •