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Thread: Casting Barbarian
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2019-08-23, 09:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Casting Barbarian
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Just wondering, is there a subclass somewhere or effective multiclassing option to help port a Pathfinder Bloodrager or Skald to 5e? In the base Barbarian class it says you can't cast or concentrate on spells while raging, is there something that allows for spells or spell-like abilities to be used during that time?"I may be a Hobgoblin, but the real mythical creature I'm playing is an Ethical Billionaire"
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2019-08-23, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-23, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Casting Barbarian
Well there are the various magic adjacent Barbarian subclasses like Storm Herald or the new Wild Soul.
Beyond that, you can't use any spells, but if it is not a spell you can use it. Those abilities are fair game
Thus, multiclassing with "not casters" like, ugh, 4E monk effects, horizon walker planar warrior, or any of the arcane shots of an arcane archer is allowed.
Otherwise, nothing to my understanding allows casting spells.
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2019-08-23, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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There are some non-concentration spells like Armor of Agathys and Death Ward that you can maintain while you rage. Death Ward takes seven levels that don’t combo well to get to but there are some Warlock/Barbarian builds that make good use of AoA.
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2019-08-23, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Anyone else read this thread title and think of some spellcaster, going "I cast 'Barbarian'!", and summoning one into the fray?
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2019-08-23, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Casting Barbarian
There is no ability to cast spells while using the Rage feature of the Barbarian class in any official material. You can however make a spellcaster who is tanky and hits people and is very angry, but no levels in the Barbarian class. Or a Barbarian who has some supernatural abilities when raging.
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2019-08-23, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Casting Barbarian
I present to you the homebrew Path of the Shaman
It's to the Barbarian what the Eldritch Knight is to the Fighter, but swap wizard for Druid.
Also, this path doesn't get the fancy casting/melee synergy the EK has. Instead, the Shaman gets the ability to progressively:
- Keep Concentration while in Rage
- Cast while in Rage
We already had an EK in my party when I proposed to the Barbarian (who took the Druid Magic Initiate rest at creation) to just take that Path, since it would fit his character better. Everyone accepted it without problem.
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2019-08-23, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-23, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-23, 06:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-23, 07:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Casting Barbarian
If I wanted to make a "caster" barbarian, I'd probably go with Artificer as the secondary class. You can rely on not-casters for magical effects, but an Artillerist can create wands for casting while you're not raging, and will let you cast above your weight class with gold and time investment, if quite a bit less conveniently. There have to be tradeoffs somewhere, after all.
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2019-08-23, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've been half-toying with the idea of a Bard dip for a Barbarian. The spells of course would need to be mostly utility, but using Bardic Inspiration as a bonus action, Expertise for grappling and so on, and either Whispers or Swords subclass abilities for a bit of extra damage seems like there's enough potential to avoid being too sub-optimal.
The idea of a hulking Barbarian with evil vizier-like tendencies amuses me greatly.
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2019-08-24, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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It can kind of work if you treat rage as a spell. A wizard with really good rolled stats could use a one level dip for unarmored defense and could rage for grappling advantage when spells are running low or ineffective
A 2 level paladin dip can let you cast 'smite' with your spell slots, but then you are a pretty crazy multiclass and probably dont have the spell slots to use it with.
You could take ritual caster for utility, casting rituals out of combat and raging in the middle of the fight.
With GM permission, magic items could solve your problem too. Take a small dip so you can attune to a magic staff (or other item that lets you cast spells through them) even a ring of spell storing could give you some interesting options.Meet the Party! www.cannibalhalflinggaming.com
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2019-08-24, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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How about a variant Wand Sheath magic item? Something you can stick in your weapon and trigger on an attack a la Trident of Lightning? The image of a Bearbarian just detonating Fireballs around himself because takes half-to-quarter Damage is wonderful.
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2019-08-24, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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5e e10
Class Progression (Ver. 1.1-ish)
The Cleric
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2019-08-24, 08:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-24, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Casting Barbarian
Trickery Cleric can cast barbarian.
They give the barbarian advantage on stealth, the cleric cast fog cloud as the barbarian jumps into view, the barbarian smashes some heads.
All together it looks like you summoned the barbarian. Give the bar arian expertise (stealth) for more stealth on your stealth.5e e10
Class Progression (Ver. 1.1-ish)
The Cleric
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Humans
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2019-08-24, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-24, 10:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sure fire way for the bag to be stolen, ripped, dropped in a portable hole, or accidentally sold.
Yes, the last two things happened in games I was DMing.
I let the group go shopping in a 3e game. They gave me a list of things they sold and things they bought.
Next session the warforged warblade player started laughing and rolling up a new character... As soon as I saw what he was doing I realized what happened.
The fighter sold the bag of holding that the Warforged Warblade "lived" in.Last edited by SpawnOfMorbo; 2019-08-24 at 10:51 PM.
5e e10
Class Progression (Ver. 1.1-ish)
The Cleric
The Fighter
The Rogue
The Wizard
Character Progression
Psionic Sub-classes
Races
Humans
Crossbreeds
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