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2019-10-25, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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This reminds me of the time that I went to see the cat movie Keanu with a female friend, her boyfriend, her younger sister and her teenage niece. I was surprised she bring her niece to see that movie. I did say something about that. I asked you do realize that Keanu is Rated R right? Her sister and her niece didn't know about that but they love cats.
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2019-10-25, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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"But its a COMIC BOOK MOVIE!" "Lady, they dont assign ratings at random. Maybe take a freaking HINT." And yeah, r is accompanied by an adult, nc17 is nobody under 17 but then, nobody has to worry about that much as they pretty much never get theatrical releases. Understandably so as movie theaters dont like restricting audiences with an R rating, let alone anything higher. Cuts the audience pool potential on a huge scale. Its why deadpool took so long to make, because ryan reynolds refused to do deadpool as a pg13 film and studios didnt like the idea of losing out on ticket sales by having an R film.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-10-25, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I worked at a movie theater back when the Nolan Batman films were coming out, and I remember we ran into this problem a lot. I forget which of the films it was, the one with the 'pencil scene?' But we had a lot of parents coming out of the theater with crying kids, asking for refunds, despite the fact it was a PG-13 film. But it was Batman, so I guess they thought it would be two hours of Adam West dancing or something? Who knows.
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2019-10-25, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-25, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-10-25, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-10-26, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Then again there were probably as many if not more kids under 17 who were brought by a family member to Joker, Deadpool, the Dark Knight etc. and who really enjoyed it and find the rating system an overprotective joke.
and some of those kids may have even been under 13 (but probably fewer of them proportionally)
They just don't make much noise about it and thus don't get much attention.
so its about understanding YOUR kid.Last edited by sktarq; 2019-10-26 at 02:26 PM.
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2019-11-08, 02:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Late to the party but I finally saw Joker.
Spoiler: Comments on specific scenesAdding the killing of Bruce’s parents to the end felt almost unnecessary. It kinda made sense considering the role the older Wayne played in the story, but especially the scene in the end showing Bruce looking over his dead parents felt unnecessary.
Overall I liked that the story was made sufficiently ambiguous. The only clearly marked delusion was the girl, but one could interpreted the whole movie as a delusion from inside the ward, and it does not diminish the story, because it is equally possible that everything happened and he was institutionalized only after the events.
Really liked how they manage to make the character interesting without making him sympathetic. And how they managed to take Joker, an extremely cartoonish character, and make him really believable.
Phoenix was great in the role. In the end when he is dancing and moving around as proto-Joker, I felt that his movements gave very much Michael Jacksonish vibe, for good or ill.
Definitely a movie that does not need a sequel but Batman born out of this story could be interesting take.
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Also the pacing of the movie was nice surprise. Giving the characters enough time to shineLast edited by Noldo; 2019-11-08 at 08:54 AM.
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2019-11-08, 07:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'll go further: not only does this movie not really need a sequel, I need a sequel would detract from it, unless they went in a really unexpected direction.
I mean, where does this joker even go. He doesn't seem to have much of a plan, or an ideology and he's not really a leader, either. The crowd just sort of moves in the same direction as him, they wouldn't form his gang.
Edit: okay, actually, that's not the worst idea to explore: people trying to make this Joker into some kind of symbol for their movement and being disappointed.Last edited by Eldan; 2019-11-08 at 07:40 AM.
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2019-11-08, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Obligatory quote: "Do I really look like a guy with a plan?"
What if they did it like Telltale Games? Harley Quinn is the one with experience running a gang, and realizing Mister J's artistic visions. Though the game inverted their relationship, at least at first: "Do us a favor Pud', skip over to that bodega and get me a slushy."
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2019-11-08, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Huh... Despite all the media hate, Joker is now the most profitable comic book movie ever. That's quite impressive, actually.
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2019-11-08, 07:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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If by profit you only include how much it made past its own budget. Its one of those fun ways statistics are interesting. Basically, it made like 16x its budget back which is way more than any comic movie has done, even if its total sales havent surpassed a few of the blockbusters. But again, said blockbusters cost like 10x as much to make and market so while still highly profitable, they dont compare to that level of profit. Its similar to adam sandler flicks. Even at their most reviled, they were still profitable, often making 2-3x their budget back. Not because they were secretly great films everyone watched but were scared to admit, but because they were dirt cheap productions and could have turned a profit if they only ever turned up in walmart bargain bins.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-11-08, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-09, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Critical dislike probably helped market it if anything.
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2019-11-09, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know if this got fully answered, but this is a combination of '80s NY fitting their vision of Gotham, the '80s being distant from ongoing canon, and - perhaps most importantly - the '80s being a dire time for mental healthcare in the US, as a combination of political factors led the US to go from crappy and abuse-prone mental institutions to no mental institutions. It's a good period in which to set a piece in part about poisonous social attitudes towards mental disability.
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2019-11-11, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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What "media hate?" What critical dislike? 69% of professional film critics gave it a positive review. The reviews are mixed, leaning positive. We've had examples of comic book movies that were critically panned: Batman vs Superman (28%), Suicide Squad (27%), Fantastic Four (9%). Joker was not hated by most critics. It didn't recieve the overwhelming praise that some other comic book movies have gotten (Iron Man, The Dark Knight, Black Panther, Endgame, Into the Spiderverse), but that doesn't mean all or even most critics disliked it.
It's still impressive that it managed such a high return on investment, but the critical reception doesn't seem to have had much to do with that one way or the other.
Also, I think the phrase you are looking for is "highest return on investment," not "most profitable." Return on investment is the ratio between the revenue and the cost, whereas profit is the difference between them.
...What? Fear mongering? It's a movie. Some people like it. Some people don't.
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2019-11-11, 01:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Example.
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2019-11-11, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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When the general media does its best to convince us that the movie will "radicalize young white men" and that there'll probably be mass shootings and "incel violence" in Joker screenings, I call that fear-mongering.
Wheter or not Warner planned it (in this particular case, I don't think so, at least not at first), it doesn't chanhe the fact that there was a lot of undeserved negative publicity for this film... At one point there was even a suggestion that people shouldn't see it because "it's probably giving money to a convicted pedophile" (apparently the composer of one the sTurnsis in jail for that. Turns out he isn't making any money out of the movie... And even if he were, what's the solution here? Check the backgrounds of every one involved in the production of a film before deciding to watch it?).Last edited by Lemmy; 2019-11-11 at 10:06 AM.
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2019-11-11, 10:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Considering the power media has in general, I sincerely doubt that the ones reporting on it with that take has "done its best" to convince anyone. Especially with the "convincing" is "accurately reporting that the military and other officials have put out statements to that effect.
If you have any issues with that reporting, you should take it up with the people and organizations actually claiming it, not the media for accurately reporting on it. You're shooting the messenger.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-11-11, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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I suppose I should've specified "an specific part of media, which does include much of the so-called 'access media' and many 'professional' criitics".
And I suppose "doing its best" might be an exaggeration, as it usually is. Perhaps "put a lot of effort, for reasons completely unrelated to the actual merits of the film".Last edited by Lemmy; 2019-11-11 at 10:12 AM.
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2019-11-11, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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I may have come off a bit too strongly there also; while it was accurate reporting ("X has put out a statement that saying Y"), I also do think it was pretty lazy reporting in that they saw it as an easy way to get clicks and reads. Internet-age journalism definitely has a long way to go and is riddled with problems.
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