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Thread: An Odd Thought I had about Elan
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2019-09-03, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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An Odd Thought I had about Elan
So, in the latest comic released (1178, to be precise), Uncle Squeaky describes Elan as a "certified bardic genius." This got me thinking: we've seen warriors more powerful than other members of the Order, like Tarquin, and heard about wizards more accomplished than Vaarsuvius, like his/her master Aarindarius. But we haven't yet seen anything about other famous bards on the same level.
Which got me wondering: is Elan, in fact, the most powerful bard currently on the face of Planet Stick?
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2019-09-03, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think so, considering how bards seem to be rather rare, plus don't really care all that much about levels and power for the most part
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2019-09-03, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-03, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Like the "is Xykon the most powerful mortal in this world" question, I'm afraid we can't actually know XD
Still though, Elan does seem to be one of the few high level bards out there. He might not be the most powerful Bard, but given that clerics capable of casting True Resurrection are almost mythical, he's probably pretty high up. I mean, if the standard healer class almost never hits Epic, then I doubt there would be many Bards who do either.An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-09-03, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-09-03, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I assume swashbuckler
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2019-09-03, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-03, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-03, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nonsense: Elan is already a huge celebrity! He's the world-famous Bard, the former protector of the great Lord Hinjo, and apprentice to none other than Julio Scoundrel himself! To say nothing of the Western continent.
Okay, he might not be a celebrity, but he has had quite a few adventures that would have led to him probably being a pretty big name for this generation, at least in the Southern and probably Western Continents (Tarquin might have swiftly blotted him out of any newspapers or anything).An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-09-03, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-03, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Elan took X levels in a prestige class: (one? Two? Three? Hard to say) Dashing Swordsman, right?
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2019-09-03, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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2019-09-03, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-03, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Odd Thought I had about Elan
It's entirely plausible that Julio Scoundrel is also a Bard. Let's go back to when we were first introduced to the Dashing Swordsman prestige class.
"Not many know this, but I have only average Strength and Dexterity scores. [...] At any rate, I have only this book to thank for it, not any surplus of physical prowess on my part."
Now, sure, maybe Julio was one of those Rogues who can barely hit the broad side of a barn... but given his frequently-remarked-upon promiscuity and sex appeal, I'm more than willing to bet that yes, he's got a few levels in Bard.
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2019-09-03, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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He might have been a Rogue that had a perfect CHA score and average stats elsewhere, and he just went with Rogue because he planned on smooth talking his way in while his..."associates" stole everything there was. And then a few levels later he found the Dashing Swordsman book and become as unto a medium-sized charismatic god.
He probably has at least one level in Bard given his character (the ladies love a good song and all that), though I don't think he specialized in it as a pre-Dashing Swordsman.Last edited by Squire Doodad; 2019-09-03 at 05:28 PM.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-09-03, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Odd Thought I had about Elan
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-09-03, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-03, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Odd Thought I had about Elan
I feel like an ability to taunt the enemy in some way, or some sort of flashy manouver of some kind, maybe an ability that let's you substitute add CHA in some types of DEX checks? Just feels like a big part of the dashing swordsman is jumping and tumbling from place to place, so it would make sense if it had an ability to help with that
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2019-09-03, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-03, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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You already get to substitute STR for CHA, also being able to substitute DEX for CHA would possibly be overpowered. However, if you mean things like escaping from ropes and the like (a feat frequently achieved by quite a few adventurous dashing gallants), that would make sense thematically.
I'd imagine it would be things such as breaking out from ropes, being able to mitigate the effect of strong winds on you during your climatic rooftop battles, and having the option to roll for CHA to reduce sliding distance from ice and slippery tile.
You know, Hollywood style battle features.
The level 9 version grants you "Spontaneous Baysplosion" as a once-per-extended rest spellLast edited by Squire Doodad; 2019-09-03 at 08:07 PM.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-09-03, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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You know I’d love to see if someone wrote up a Dashing Swordsman class
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2019-09-03, 08:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-09-03, 09:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know if Rich ever did, but The Demented One put in a valiant effort. I'm sure many others have as well.
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2019-09-03, 10:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-04, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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The grand total of the information we have about him isn’t much either, I imagine if we had a bit more he’d get in (the OOTS Wiki records everyone’s stats and it has his level at 14+, the fact he has average strength and dexterity, at least 14 charisma and dashing Swordsman class abilities).
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2019-09-04, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
(Wishing Joe, a low-powered superhero)
"I really like the Geek Math'ology we do here"
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2019-09-04, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'd argue that it doesn't feel like he's a Rogue. Sure, he's a pirate. He robs people. But we only hear about it, and what we see of him is a man who loves a good story, both as a spectator and a participant.
But, well, being an intuition and a feeling, it's kinda hard to prove.