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    Well, I actually like commercials, to be honest. Most commercials are very funny such as the Progressive commercials. There not a lot of bad commercials to dislike.

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    I don't watch any commercials anymore. And if I hear them on the radio, I switch to another station.

    Life is so much better without commercials!
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    Some commercials are entertaining but the vast majority definitely aren't and even the best ones become grating given enough exposure. I kinda view advertising as a big prisoners dilemma. Companies can either advertise or not advertise. If no one advertises then everyone comes out ahead since they will keep their market share they were already going to have but not have to dedicate a sizable chunk of their revenue towards an advertising budget. But anyone who does advertise if their competitors don't gains a win from increasing their market share. So we're stuck in a world where everyone advertises all the time else they lose their market share and have to sacrifice big piles of money to do it. Would the world be better if no one had invented the advertising agency?

    On the other hand those advertisements then often go towards subsidizing the cost of arts and journalism. Which means low cost entertainment and information for the consumer. Without it allot of these things wouldn't exist and those that did would either be quite expensive or else subsidized entirely by individuals or groups who could afford to do so and almost certainly would only do so for their benefit.

    Advertising employs allot of people and possibly drives people to consume more than they would otherwise. So maybe it's not quite a prisoners dilemma and without them the economy as we know it would cease to function. So I guess in the end ads are like the biological need to breath. Inconvenient but necessary to life as we know it.

    I want to give special mention to ads so horrible that I make a point to never again purchase their products ever again. Top in class and winner of my award for worst advertising campaign ever goes to... The Quiznos rat puppets
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    For making me nauseous everytime I even think about Quiznos and their food and ensuring that I will never set foot on their premises, I present the golden dumpster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadMech View Post
    Some commercials are entertaining but the vast majority definitely aren't and even the best ones become grating given enough exposure. I kinda view advertising as a big prisoners dilemma. Companies can either advertise or not advertise. If no one advertises then everyone comes out ahead since they will keep their market share they were already going to have but not have to dedicate a sizable chunk of their revenue towards an advertising budget. But anyone who does advertise if their competitors don't gains a win from increasing their market share. So we're stuck in a world where everyone advertises all the time else they lose their market share and have to sacrifice big piles of money to do it. Would the world be better if no one had invented the advertising agency?

    On the other hand those advertisements then often go towards subsidizing the cost of arts and journalism. Which means low cost entertainment and information for the consumer. Without it allot of these things wouldn't exist and those that did would either be quite expensive or else subsidized entirely by individuals or groups who could afford to do so and almost certainly would only do so for their benefit.

    Advertising employs allot of people and possibly drives people to consume more than they would otherwise. So maybe it's not quite a prisoners dilemma and without them the economy as we know it would cease to function. So I guess in the end ads are like the biological need to breath. Inconvenient but necessary to life as we know it.

    I want to give special mention to ads so horrible that I make a point to never again purchase their products ever again. Top in class and winner of my award for worst advertising campaign ever goes to... The Quiznos rat puppets
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    For making me nauseous everytime I even think about Quiznos and their food and ensuring that I will never set foot on their premises, I present the golden dumpster.
    Ok that commercial was horrible.

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    I mostly watch Youtube these days, and it always annoys me that there isn't any way to rewind or replay commercials that actually do catch my interest.
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    I like commercials when they aren't targeted at me and get me a free service. Spotify mostly just repeats commercials asking to pay them to be less annoying about paying them, and since I listen to it while running I mostly don't care. Targeted ads often miss me for some reason, I get sales on dresses and jewelry on my facebook that has no real influence on me. Lately they discovered I will click on click-bait reddit articles though, turning it into a minefield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadMech View Post
    Some commercials are entertaining but the vast majority definitely aren't and even the best ones become grating given enough exposure. I kinda view advertising as a big prisoners dilemma. Companies can either advertise or not advertise. If no one advertises then everyone comes out ahead since they will keep their market share they were already going to have but not have to dedicate a sizable chunk of their revenue towards an advertising budget. But anyone who does advertise if their competitors don't gains a win from increasing their market share. So we're stuck in a world where everyone advertises all the time else they lose their market share and have to sacrifice big piles of money to do it. Would the world be better if no one had invented the advertising agency?

    On the other hand those advertisements then often go towards subsidizing the cost of arts and journalism. Which means low cost entertainment and information for the consumer. Without it allot of these things wouldn't exist and those that did would either be quite expensive or else subsidized entirely by individuals or groups who could afford to do so and almost certainly would only do so for their benefit.

    Advertising employs allot of people and possibly drives people to consume more than they would otherwise. So maybe it's not quite a prisoners dilemma and without them the economy as we know it would cease to function. So I guess in the end ads are like the biological need to breath. Inconvenient but necessary to life as we know it.

    I want to give special mention to ads so horrible that I make a point to never again purchase their products ever again. Top in class and winner of my award for worst advertising campaign ever goes to... The Quiznos rat puppets
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    For making me nauseous everytime I even think about Quiznos and their food and ensuring that I will never set foot on their premises, I present the golden dumpster.
    There is an argument that I heard about how advertisement actually is the cause of the killing of objective journalism and the rise of populist eye-catching trash papers. When papers made money mainly off of subscription, they could invest in quality content. But when the paradigm became mostly about selling ad revenu, the people have becomed used to not pay for their news source,.

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    I don't watch any commercials anymore. And if I hear them on the radio, I switch to another station.

    Life is so much better without commercials!
    This is where I'm at. Between no longer watching actual TV and having ad-block for the internet, commercials are a thing of the past to me, and I am quite happier for it. At best they annoy me mildly because I know whatever is good about them nonetheless only exists to try and manipulate me into buying something I probably don't want. At worst, well, everyone knows how bad they get at thier worst.

    Heck, I feel good that none of the few online ads that get past my ad-block are ever for things that I'm even the target demographic for. It's nice to see the confirmation that advertisers don't know enough about me to target me even in basic ways when I see an ad that's aimed at seniors or women.
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    Like most people I guess I rather tolerate commericals. Comparing American tv to European, broadly, the American version is sooo much worse. More frequent, and less varied, and usually for stuff that makes me sad as human there's a society where lawyers seek victims to sue companies.

    When it gets to me is when it's relentless. Some Swedish channels I watch are about 80% online casinos and cash-loans firms. It gets incredibly grating.

    The funny part is, occasionally I watch channels that do nto have commercials, and it's really annoying when suddenly you don't have potty-breaks built in.
    So ideally I want some commercials, and for it to be fairly broad spectrum of stuff. And yea some commercials can be fun to watch. And sometimes it's interesting to evaluate the sociology (sic?) of the country the ad came from. The badly dubbed German detergent ads always feature a housewife e.g. and a lot of stuff from more diverse societies look hilariously out of place to me (HP is trying to sell me a laptop with a lovely mix-race couple that just screams "this is not your country"). Like the ads trying to sell me a selfiedrone to film myself standing on a skyskraper claiming is "the hawt in Finland", when I know there exists no such place where the ad could be reasoanbly set in the entire country, and probably not even if including the neighbourng countries.

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    Heck, I feel good that none of the few online ads that get past my ad-block are ever for things that I'm even the target demographic for. It's nice to see the confirmation that advertisers don't know enough about me to target me even in basic ways when I see an ad that's aimed at seniors or women.
    This. This day and age anytime I see ads that are completely unrelated to me I consider it a win.

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    I'm pretty thoroughly insulated from commercials in most respects (Adblockers, not watching TV, car radio in company trucks mostly replaced by various people's music collections), but there're leaks. Mostly that's podcasts, and I tolerate the occasional ad there. I'd rather not, but hey, the podcasts need to get funded somehow.
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    I've seen and responded to ads for local business events (stores, cafes, restaurants), or for the occasional product I want to try out.

    Commercials that are particularly witty are great, especially if they're otherwise interesting. The life insurance ads showing the crazy stuff they've covered in the past are pure gold. They show competence, service, and a sense of humor.

    Ads using jingles annoy the hell out of me. They're psychological malware. Ad saturation where the same brief ad plays repeatedly are pretty much in the same category. What's more, organizations employing these strategies are giving me a very bad impression of the kind of relationship they wish to have with me. They make me extremely disinclined to transact with the sponsor.

    Political ads with dubious or blatantly false content really rub me the wrong way, as I'm sure they do to anyone who recognizes them for what they are.

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    I don't watch any commercials anymore. And if I hear them on the radio, I switch to another station.
    Then do you just stop watching any given movie if product placements show up.

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    I'm actually the opposite when it comes to targeted commercials. I figure that somebody is going to have my data no matter what - even if I go out of my way to be totally secure, the companies that I buy stuff from are going to turn around and sell the data anyway.

    So other than insulating myself from commercials entirely (adblock is a wonderful thing, as is ditching cable), I'm generally happy when the ads I get are stuff that I'm interested in. Youtube has been pretty great in this regard - I'm currently playing a game that I never would have gotten interested in if it wasn't for Youtube trailers, and the entirety of my movie news comes from Youtube ads.

    However, there are two areas that bug me with Youtube commercials.

    1) Don't give me a 5 minute advertisement. EVER. I don't care if it's something I'm super interested in, I am not sitting through a 5 minute advertisement for your product. There is no quicker way to get me to hit that "Skip commercial" button then to give me a crazy long commercial.

    2) When I do watch a long commercial (like a 2 minute movie trailer), don't show me that advertisement again. I watched it, even with a button that says "Skip". Either you caught my interest, or you didn't, and repetition ain't gonna help matters. I don't mind if you throw the full trailer at me and then put in 15-second ones later to remind me "it's here!". Just don't expect me to sit through the full trailer again. It ain't gonna happen.

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    Then do you just stop watching any given movie if product placements show up.
    I'm not sure what your complaint is here?
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    I'm not sure what your complaint is here?
    You're right. Why should film makers focus on telling a good story when their goal should be to contact other businesses to try an inorganically shove a company's logo into the film? I hope in the new Star Wars film Rey drinks a Pepsi and wears Nikes.

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    You're right. Why should film makers focus on telling a good story when their goal should be to contact other businesses to try an inorganically shove a company's logo into the film? I hope in the new Star Wars film Rey drinks a Pepsi and wears Nikes.
    I... What? I'm not trying to argue with you, I legitimately don't know what you are trying to say. Please clarify original position.
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    I grew up on commercial tv, but as soon as I was on my own, I stopped watching. I would only watch movies or shows on dvd, bought, borrowed or rented. When streaming came along, I was all in for that, and caught up on a lot of things I had missed.

    A few months ago, my Spotify subscription added on Hulu for free. There's a few things I like and/or wanted to see, so I thought I'd give it a chance. It was the level that had ads. After watching for a while I learned that my tolerance for commercials is zero. Repetition and marketing things I have no interest in aside, I hate breaking the flow of whatever I'm watching. It's like listening to an album, but every two songs they throw in another song by a band you hate. I just can't do it, or maybe, I don't want that to be a part of my already very limited tv time, when a third or more of it is consumed by something other than what I set out to watch.

    Now, all that said, I do recognize the art of a good commercial, and sometimes I'll watch some on youtube, but the difference is that is what I set out to do. It does take skill and creativity to create a narrative that is coherent and memorable in 30-60 seconds. I love cartoon theme songs/intros for the same reason.

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    I love the fact that this thread appears on a page that includes a link to pre-order the next Order of the Stick book,

    I'm glad I found out about it. I ordered the book because I saw the commercial. So no, I am not universally opposed to commercials.

    Most TV shows I saw as a child, I only saw because some corporation thought it would serve their purposes to show it to me, with commercials.

    **** Van Dyke, Gilligan's Island, Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color, Star Trek, M*A*S*H, Happy Days -- these only existed because of commercials.

    I like commerce.

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    I have to be a gadfly and say I support the horrific Quiznos commercial. I was 'fortunate' enough to be one of the people in on the 'joke' they were telling. They were shamelessly ripping off early internet entertainment. IIRC, it was by rathergood, who also made the Viking Kittens video. Was the commercial screechy and annoying? Certainly! But what commercials in the early millennium were not? Quiznos was being avant garde and rolling with the punch of the information age. They were ahead of their time. They were brave to try.

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    Now the commercial with the dead neglected parakeet made me sad and and because of THAT I hate Quiznos.
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    I'm kind of annoyed with commercials lately because GEICO has been running their "greatest hits" ads - and all the ones I remember fondly are in 4:3, which makes me feel old.

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    You're right. Why should film makers focus on telling a good story when their goal should be to contact other businesses to try an inorganically shove a company's logo into the film? I hope in the new Star Wars film Rey drinks a Pepsi and wears Nikes.
    I seriously doubt that will ever happen in the final Star Wars film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnoman View Post
    I'm kind of annoyed with commercials lately because GEICO has been running their "greatest hits" ads - and all the ones I remember fondly are in 4:3, which makes me feel old.
    Ahh, GEICO. The company which answered "which mascot do you want to pick?" with "ALL of them!"
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    I seriously doubt that will ever happen in the final Star Wars film.
    Agreed, Disney already signed a deal for Rey to drink Coca Cola.
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    I just wish if there was a Boss Monster Card Game Commericial. That would be awesome.

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    I... What? I'm not trying to argue with you, I legitimately don't know what you are trying to say. Please clarify original position.
    Okay. Let's say you're part of a team making a film. A film is supposed to have a narrative and inspire something in the audience: horror films scare, romance films make you feel for the couple and their love, tragedies make you sad, etc. However let's say someone making the film only cares about profit and so contacts other companies to put their product in the film. Sometimes it's acceptable: oh a character just happened to be drinking a coke. That's fine. People drink coke, and the product was only on screen for like 5 seconds. Then there are films that devote large sections to just being literal commercials ruining any chance to tell an entertaining story. I could go into detail but watch the Red Letter Media Half in the Bag review of Jack and Jill (specifically part 2, but it wouldn't hurt to watch part 1 as well) and you'll get my point. Disclaimer: there is strong language in these videos.

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    I seriously doubt that will ever happen in the final Star Wars film.
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    Okay. Let's say you're part of a team making a film. A film is supposed to have a narrative and inspire something in the audience: horror films scare, romance films make you feel for the couple and their love, tragedies make you sad, etc. However let's say someone making the film only cares about profit and so contacts other companies to put their product in the film. Sometimes it's acceptable: oh a character just happened to be drinking a coke. That's fine. People drink coke, and the product was only on screen for like 5 seconds. Then there are films that devote large sections to just being literal commercials ruining any chance to tell an entertaining story. I could go into detail but watch the Red Letter Media Half in the Bag review of Jack and Jill (specifically part 2, but it wouldn't hurt to watch part 1 as well) and you'll get my point. Disclaimer: there is strong language in these videos.



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    So. What's your point? Products appears in movies all the time. No one is forcing you to buy their product.

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    So. What's your point? Products appears in movies all the time. No one is forcing you to buy their product.
    Commercials have their place, and it's not inside of an actual deep story. Again a film is supposed to have an emotional resonance; it's supposed to inspire emotions in you. Commercials are just meant to generate money gain by people selling products. I know it's important for a film to generate some profit, but the point of all art is to have depth which is never reached in advertising. Basically they can get in the way of telling a good story.

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    I hate commercials....and always have.

    Growing up I only had commercial TV and radio....and hated the commercials.

    Now, as an adult, I simply choose to never see or hear them. I watch and listen to things with no commercial content. Should a vile web site...the You Tube or Facebook attempt to force me to watch a commercial, I simply log off.

    Are maybe llike 1% of commercials clever and funny....sure: but the rest are garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Hat View Post
    Commercials have their place, and it's not inside of an actual deep story. Again a film is supposed to have an emotional resonance; it's supposed to inspire emotions in you. Commercials are just meant to generate money gain by people selling products. I know it's important for a film to generate some profit, but the point of all art is to have depth which is never reached in advertising. Basically they can get in the way of telling a good story.
    I think you're overeacting just a little bit.

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    I think you're overeacting just a little bit.
    Not really. There are plenty of cringe-worthy moments in films thanks to product placements. I'll talk about Spider-Man Homecoming just for a second before I condemn other films. I know you all are tired of hearing me complain about he MCU but I hate the fact that there is a subplot in that film where Peter and his best friend build a lego Death Star (gee, Disney owns Marvel and Star Wars, I'm sure there's underhanded about that). And now to bash some other non-MCU films to show I don't have a basis: while I've never seen the film I've heard there's a lot of product placement in the third act destruction scene from Man of Steel. The second Fantastic Four film has Johnny Storm have a new suit with corporate logos on it and apparently Dodge made the Fantastic Fours hover car as it does have the Dodge logo on it. In Green Lantern Hal Jordan briefly plays with Hot Wheels in one scene and then uses his power ring in another scene to create a giant Hot Wheels set to save people. The second Goosebumps film literally starts off as a commercial as the first shot of the first scene of the movie has both very visable Dunkin Doughnuts and Mac product placements. I could go on and on but again I recommend people check out the Half in the Bag review of Jack and Jill part 2 as that youtube video explains all my grief better than I ever could.

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