The Order of the Stick: Utterly Dwarfed
The Order of the Stick: Utterly Dwarfed - Coming in December and available for pre-order now
Page 3 of 7 FirstFirst 1234567 LastLast
Results 61 to 90 of 190
  1. - Top - End - #61
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Fyraltari's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    France
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Yes, thank you.
    "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
    Gehm's corollary to Clarke's Third Law



    Forum Wisdom

  2. - Top - End - #62
    Ettin in the Playground
    Join Date
    Feb 2013

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Depends on when they found out what the Gates where and how dangerous they were relatives to when they found out where they are. She could have thougt it was just the locations of a monster with a teleportation ability or something.

    EDIT: Hell she may even have forgotten she wrote them down in her diary in the first place, as I said upthread that was sixty freaking years ago.
    They spent years on the quest. I'm pretty sure she knew what was going on, since she felt the need to encrypt the data.

  3. - Top - End - #63
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    b_jonas's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Europe
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Shojo is not related to Soon. This is the only issue I have with this otherwise flawless theory.
    Are you sure? Because I think Shojo is Soon's grandson, or some other family relation like that.

  4. - Top - End - #64
    Dwarf in the Playground
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Gender
    Female

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    They spent years on the quest. I'm pretty sure she knew what was going on, since she felt the need to encrypt the data.
    No need for speculation: it's made explicit that they knew what the Rifts were.

  5. - Top - End - #65
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    SwashbucklerGuy

    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Valencia, Spain
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_jonas View Post
    Are you sure? Because I think Shojo is Soon's grandson, or some other family relation like that.
    Nope. Shojo was the son of the Lord of Azure city to whom Soon surrended control of the Sapphire Guard before dying.
    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0277.html

    Soon was presented as a paladin from Azure City on a diplomatic mission to elven lands. But no mention was made about he being related to the ruling family.
    http://www.giantitp.com/comic/oots0275.html
    Last edited by The Pilgrim; 2019-09-20 at 01:52 PM.

  6. - Top - End - #66
    Troll in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Skyron, Andromeda
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    The what now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    Here’s an excellent video on the subject, if you’re willing to spend 13 minutes to watch it.


    Peelee’s Lotsey

  7. - Top - End - #67
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jul 2012

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_jonas View Post
    Haley is Girard's descendant.
    I think you're not being entirely serious with this theory, but regardless, if Haley was Girard's descendant, she and her father would be dead from Familicide.
    Last edited by NerdyKris; 2019-09-20 at 02:21 PM.

  8. - Top - End - #68
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    HalflingRogueGuy

    Join Date
    May 2018

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    I think you're not being entirely serious with this theory, but regardless, if Haley was Girard's descendant, she and her father would be dead from Familicide.
    But maybe Haley is related to Girard through a time travel paradox.

  9. - Top - End - #69
    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    Vendanna's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2013

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    I think you're not being entirely serious with this theory, but regardless, if Haley was Girard's descendant, she and her father would be dead from Familicide.
    Not so fast! there is the chance that Ian wasn't lightning struck by the spell due him being inside an antimagic cell in the empire of blood when those events transpired, and since it didn't "hit him" the lightning couldn't pass thru him and pass to haley.

  10. - Top - End - #70
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    b_jonas's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Europe
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    I think you're not being entirely serious with this theory, but regardless, if Haley was Girard's descendant, she and her father would be dead from Familicide.
    I am entirely joking with the proposal, I don't think anyone from the Order of the Stick is descended from anyone in the Order of the Crayon. The familicide indeed poses a problem, but not too much of it I think, as long as Haley is like four generations younger than Girard and nobody knows his connection to the Draketooth family. That's not so hard to understand given how secretive the Draketooth family is.

  11. - Top - End - #71
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    ClericGirl

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    I am not sure how Halfling names and geneology works in OoTS world, but I'll offer this idea that they are not related.

    Belkar's last name is Bitterleaf.
    Serini's last name is Toormuck.

    The only relative that I recall Bellkar referring to is his Aunt Judy.
    (I vaguely recall a memory of him referring to a grandma, but I can't recall which strip that was in)
    Quote Originally Posted by Malifice View Post
    (paraphrased) Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by greenstone View Post
    Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
    Gosh, 2D8HP, you are so very correct (and also quite handsome) ... 2D8HP told me so
    Quote Originally Posted by HappyDaze
    Self-deception tends to have a low target number

  12. - Top - End - #72
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    HalflingRogueGuy

    Join Date
    May 2018

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    Belkar's last name is Bitterleaf.
    Serini's last name is Toormuck.
    And what is “toor” spelled backwards? That’s right. It’s “root”.

    Bitter leaves and mucky roots? I think the connection is obvious. They have the same family tree.

  13. - Top - End - #73
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Brazil
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    And what is “toor” spelled backwards? That’s right. It’s “root”.

    Bitter leaves and mucky roots? I think the connection is obvious. They have the same family tree.
    Hank's surname is probably Saltflower.
    Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
    Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
    Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
    But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
    So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
    But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
    We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
    (Wishing Joe, a low-powered superhero)

    "I really like the Geek Math'ology we do here"

  14. - Top - End - #74
    Dragon in the Playground Moderator
     
    Peelee's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Birmingham, AL
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    And what is “toor” spelled backwards? That’s right. It’s “root”.

    Bitter leaves and mucky roots? I think the connection is obvious. They have the same family tree.
    The first half was ironclad, but you lost it in the second half. The logical place to go was "and what are roots if not the foundation of a family tree?"
    The Mod on the Silver Mountain avatars by the wonderfully talented Cuthalion!

    If anyone has a crayon drawing they would like to put on the Kickstarter Reward Collection Thread, PM me.
    Spoiler: Avatar collection
    Show

    Spoiler: I'm the sun, I'm the sun
    Show
    Spoiler: I can move I can run
    Show
    Spoiler: But you'll never stop me burning
    Show

  15. - Top - End - #75
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    HalflingRogueGuy

    Join Date
    May 2018

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    "and what are roots if not the foundation of a family tree?"
    I bow to the pun master.

  16. - Top - End - #76
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    hrožila's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Even though this is not how The Giant works, I have decided that the first element in Toormuck is Middle English tōr(e), dialectal Modern English tore, so it's either "difficult muck" (from what we saw, Serini could definitely be rather difficult) or "fierce muck" (she was totes that too).
    Last edited by hrožila; 2019-09-20 at 03:37 PM.
    ungelic is us

  17. - Top - End - #77
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Fyraltari's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    France
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    They eventually knew what they were. Their quest lasted for years we don’t know how long it took them to learn the truth. Serini’s diary mentions Dorukan as ‘the new kid’ so she started writing it before or at the very beginning of the Scribblers’ quest.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Pilgrim View Post
    Nope. Shojo was the son of the Lord of Azure city to whom Soon surrended control of the Sapphire Guard before dying.
    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0277.html

    Soon was presented as a paladin from Azure City on a diplomatic mission to elven lands. But no mention was made about he being related to the ruling family.
    http://www.giantitp.com/comic/oots0275.html
    Furthermore GDGU establishes that the ‘jo’ in Shojo and Hinjo is a surname.
    "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
    Gehm's corollary to Clarke's Third Law



    Forum Wisdom

  18. - Top - End - #78
    Dragon in the Playground Moderator
     
    Peelee's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Birmingham, AL
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    They eventually knew what they were. Their quest lasted for years we don’t know how long it took them to learn the truth. Serini’s diary mentions Dorukan as ‘the new kid’ so she started writing it before or at the very beginning of the Scribblers’ quest.
    Regardless, the information regarding the gates was encrypted, so she knew it was sensitive information.
    The Mod on the Silver Mountain avatars by the wonderfully talented Cuthalion!

    If anyone has a crayon drawing they would like to put on the Kickstarter Reward Collection Thread, PM me.
    Spoiler: Avatar collection
    Show

    Spoiler: I'm the sun, I'm the sun
    Show
    Spoiler: I can move I can run
    Show
    Spoiler: But you'll never stop me burning
    Show

  19. - Top - End - #79
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Mar 2019
    Location
    Magrathea
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Regardless, the information regarding the gates was encrypted, so she knew it was sensitive information.
    Alternatively, Dorukan could have been the last group member to join and have only done so once like the third rift was found. Though it is a trivial matter either way.
    An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.

    See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.

    Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
    Green is serious talk about hypothetical
    Blue is irony and sarcasm


    "I think, therefore I am,
    I walk, therefore I stand,
    I sleep, therefore I dream;
    I joke, therefore I meme."
    -Squire Doodad

  20. - Top - End - #80
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Brazil
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Furthermore GDGU establishes that the ‘jo’ in Shojo and Hinjo is a surname.
    omg
    OMG
    OMG
    OMG
    OMG

    Shojo and Hinjo are related to Banjo!!!!!!
    Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
    Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
    Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
    But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
    So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
    But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
    We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
    (Wishing Joe, a low-powered superhero)

    "I really like the Geek Math'ology we do here"

  21. - Top - End - #81
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Mar 2019
    Location
    Magrathea
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    omg
    OMG
    OMG
    OMG
    OMG

    Shojo and Hinjo are related to Banjo!!!!!!
    Naturally, they are both descended from the great and bizarre Jojo.
    An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.

    See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.

    Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
    Green is serious talk about hypothetical
    Blue is irony and sarcasm


    "I think, therefore I am,
    I walk, therefore I stand,
    I sleep, therefore I dream;
    I joke, therefore I meme."
    -Squire Doodad

  22. - Top - End - #82
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    ClericGirl

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Texas
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by hrožila View Post
    Even though this is not how The Giant works, I have decided that the first element in Toormuck is Middle English tōr(e), dialectal Modern English tore, so it's either "difficult muck" (from what we saw, Serini could definitely be rather difficult) or "fierce muck" (she was totes that too).
    *tips cap* I like what you did there, and I have an idea that may make zero sense.

    Muck and mud are similar things, though not necessarily synonyms.

    Some of my friends at work are "mudders" in that about once a month they do these races that are a lot like doing an obstacle course. The day's events always include getting through some massive muddy and mucky pit or pool as a part of the obstacle course. Great fun, when you are younger and in better shape than I am now.

    Your "fierce muck" idea, with a slight shift to "fierce mud" => fierce mudder takes me to what adventurers do in a figurative sense. They get down into the grimy and gritty parts of the OoTS world and need to be fierce to battle and triumph over all of those horrible monsters.
    Fierce Mudder: yeah, Serini could fit that ....
    Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2019-09-20 at 04:34 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Malifice View Post
    (paraphrased) Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by greenstone View Post
    Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
    Gosh, 2D8HP, you are so very correct (and also quite handsome) ... 2D8HP told me so
    Quote Originally Posted by HappyDaze
    Self-deception tends to have a low target number

  23. - Top - End - #83
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Fyraltari's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    France
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Regardless, the information regarding the gates was encrypted, so she knew it was sensitive information.
    I mean Xykon of all people managed to break it.

    But I'm tired of this, can we agree that Xykon having the diary is not evidence enough to conclude Serini is dead?
    "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
    Gehm's corollary to Clarke's Third Law



    Forum Wisdom

  24. - Top - End - #84
    Ettin in the Playground
    Join Date
    Feb 2013

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Conclude? No. Reasonable presumption? Yes.

    Best reason for her being alive is someone is needed to fill the Order in on the backstory.

  25. - Top - End - #85
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Brazil
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    I mean Xykon of all people managed to break it.

    But I'm tired of this, can we agree that Xykon having the diary is not evidence enough to conclude Serini is dead?
    Of course we can. She's an epic level Rogue with +200 do Hide and Move Silently, and she's been following Xykon since he found her decoy diary

    Seriously, I believe that if The Giant wanted to establish Serini as dead, he could have done that with a simple mention from some character. Her dubious status gives him the option to use her more freely if he needs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    Naturally, they are both descended from the great and bizarre Jojo.
    So Giggles was adopted by the family?
    Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
    Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
    Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
    But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
    So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
    But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
    We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
    (Wishing Joe, a low-powered superhero)

    "I really like the Geek Math'ology we do here"

  26. - Top - End - #86
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Flumph

    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Ipswich, MA, USA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    I am not sure how Halfling names and geneology works in OoTS world, but I'll offer this idea that they are not related.

    Belkar's last name is Bitterleaf.
    Serini's last name is Toormuck.

    The only relative that I recall Bellkar referring to is his Aunt Judy.
    (I vaguely recall a memory of him referring to a grandma, but I can't recall which strip that was in)
    Obviously, the Grandma Bitterleaf Belkar’s family dropped off at the nursing home was none other than Serini (who changed her name when she got married, obviously).
    Last edited by Emanick; 2019-09-20 at 04:48 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Far as I'm concerned, anyone can sig anything I say anytime.

  27. - Top - End - #87
    Dragon in the Playground Moderator
     
    Peelee's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Birmingham, AL
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    I mean Xykon of all people managed to break it.
    You mean the guy who has constantly shown that he is smarter than people give him credit for when he cares? That Xykon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    But I'm tired of this, can we agree that Xykon having the diary is not evidence enough to conclude Serini is dead?
    Sure, in the sense of:
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Conclude? No. Reasonable presumption? Yes.
    The Mod on the Silver Mountain avatars by the wonderfully talented Cuthalion!

    If anyone has a crayon drawing they would like to put on the Kickstarter Reward Collection Thread, PM me.
    Spoiler: Avatar collection
    Show

    Spoiler: I'm the sun, I'm the sun
    Show
    Spoiler: I can move I can run
    Show
    Spoiler: But you'll never stop me burning
    Show

  28. - Top - End - #88
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Brazil
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    You mean the guy who has constantly shown that he is smarter than people give him credit for when he cares? That Xykon?
    That's right on the spot. Xykon is more than capable of cracking any code from the diary.

    I just wonder if he knew there was anything important on the diary prior to decoding it, or if he just decided, for the fun, "I'll discover this halfling lady's personal secrets".
    Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
    Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
    Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
    But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
    So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
    But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
    We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
    (Wishing Joe, a low-powered superhero)

    "I really like the Geek Math'ology we do here"

  29. - Top - End - #89
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Fyraltari's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    France
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Conclude? No. Reasonable presumption? Yes.

    Best reason for her being alive is someone is needed to fill the Order in on the backstory.
    1) That's a conclusion.
    2) How is that not a good reason?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    You mean the guy who has constantly shown that he is smarter than people give him credit for when he cares? That Xykon?
    Yeah, the Xykon who sucks at maths. He's perceptive and able to sit down and think through things when he cares but he's not gonna turn into a master cryptanalist because he cares. If he could break it then it was a weak code.
    "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
    Gehm's corollary to Clarke's Third Law



    Forum Wisdom

  30. - Top - End - #90
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Brazil
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Could Belkar be descended from Serini?

    What's the (DnD 3.5) skill for breaking codes? Profession (codebreaker)? Knowledge (Cryptoanalysis)*? Craft (Codes)? Decipher Script?


    *I know it's Cryptanalysis, but given it's Xykon we are talking about, I did an emphasis with the "o" to differentiate fro the ability to analyze a mausoleum.
    Last edited by D.One; 2019-09-20 at 05:10 PM.
    Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
    Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
    Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
    But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
    So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
    But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
    We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
    (Wishing Joe, a low-powered superhero)

    "I really like the Geek Math'ology we do here"

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •