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    Default Tech/Crafter Support Character Player for D&D 5E

    Good evening everyone,

    I am interested in the recent Ravnica guide and was wondering if the 5E allowed players to build crafting/tech support characters. I had saw a video a few weeks ago where some one had an idea on how to make Iron Man in D&D 5E. Are the rules flexible enough to allow player to make items for themselves and the party?
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    Yes, there are rules for crafting magic items included in the DMG and expanded upon in Xanathar's Guide to Everything.

    But I'll draw your attention to the Artificer, a class which has seen several trial runs in Unearthed Arcana articles and is scheduled to be officially released alongside the Eberron setting later this year. Artificers are the class most closely associated with crafting, and as a class feature they can create a limited number of magical items for free, without the expense and time involved with the normal process. Once created, these items can be used by the Artificer himself or doled out to his allies, at his discretion.

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    Crafting very much depends on DM buy-in to be effective. For just making any mundane thing, you just need the tool proficiency to make it, money, and time. To make magic items, you need the tool proficiency, time, money, an exotic material, and you need to know how to make it.

    Tool proficiency: This one is fairly straightforward. If you want to make armor, you need smithing proficiency. If you want to make a wand, woodcarver's tools proficiency. Herbalism for potions.

    Time: For mundane items, it takes a day's work (8 hours) for every 10 gp of the cost (it takes a while to craft plate armor). For magic items, this depends on rarity. 5 days for common, 10 for uncommon, 50 for rare, 125 for very rare, and 250 for legendary, with halved time for consumables and special rules for potions and scrolls.

    Money: For mundane, it takes half of the item's cost to make it. For magic items, it's 50 for common, 200 for uncommon, 2000 for rare, 20,000 for very rare, and 100,000 for legendary, halved for consumables and with potions and scrolls working differently.

    Exotic Material: This is why magic items can't be mass-produced. You need some special item that can only be obtained by overcoming a CR X encounter. CR 1+ for common, 4+ for uncommon, 9+ for rare, 13+ for very rare, and 19+ for legendary. A skin of a regular Yeti could be used to make a common item which keeps you feeling cozy (mostly RP, but could possibly give advantage in cold weather), while that of an Abominable Yeti could be used to make a true Ring or Armor of Cold Resistance. It could also be something that is guarded by a challenge of suitable CR, like a flower in the feylands. Does not apply to potions or scrolls.

    Recipe: Finally, we come to something which does not have actual rules in most published sources, but will be released with Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron. You need a recipe to even start working on the magic item, and these take even more time to make and have minimum skill bonuses required (Arcana for arcane casters, Religion or Nature for appropriate divine). For example, a rare item requires a +6 skill bonus, which for most point-buy characters isn't going to be until level 5. A legendary item requires a +10 bonus, putting it out of reach until high-level play (or for someone with Expertise).

    As Damon_Tor noted, Artificers are great for this because, in their specialty, they get halved item cost and quartered item creation time. If a wand of Dancing Lights (presumably common rarity) requires a Will o' the Wisp essence, an Artillerist with the recipe can crank one of those out in ten hours of work and for 25 gp. An alchemist mass-producing basic Potions of Healing can crank one out every two hours for 12.5 gp.

    EDIT: Incidentally, my current PC is a Warforged Artificer focused on crafting wands. I play him as very Magitek. He uses a Wand Sheath to fire wands like a super battle droid from Star Wars, most of his spells are fluffed as body modifications using magic to replicate science, and so on. Detect Magic basically is a sonar system, Disguise Self is a holoprojector, and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damon_Tor View Post
    Yes, there are rules for crafting magic items included in the DMG and expanded upon in Xanathar's Guide to Everything.

    But I'll draw your attention to the Artificer, a class which has seen several trial runs in Unearthed Arcana articles and is scheduled to be officially released alongside the Eberron setting later this year. Artificers are the class most closely associated with crafting, and as a class feature they can create a limited number of magical items for free, without the expense and time involved with the normal process. Once created, these items can be used by the Artificer himself or doled out to his allies, at his discretion.
    Wait.... It's been confirmed to be officially released????????
    Can I has link please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonfly7 View Post
    Wait.... It's been confirmed to be officially released????????
    Can I has link please?
    I don't know if we have any official confirmation yet, but Mearls has said it will be there: "If we do an Eberron print product, we will design it to complement as much as possible what [Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron] presents.... Some things, like the artificer, races, and basic world info, will be picked up for a print book, but we want fans to be happy owning both"
    Quote Originally Posted by krugaan
    All it takes is once:

    "Grandpa, tells us that story about the Ricalison the Great again!"

    Hours later...

    "... and that, kids, is how he conquered the world with dancing lights."

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonfly7 View Post
    Wait.... It's been confirmed to be officially released????????
    Can I has link please?
    https://dnd.wizards.com/products/tab...oducts/eberron

    "Meld magic and invention to craft objects of wonder as an artificer—the first official class to be released for fifth edition D&D since the Player’s Handbook."

    There you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damon_Tor View Post
    Yes, there are rules for crafting magic items included in the DMG and expanded upon in Xanathar's Guide to Everything.

    But I'll draw your attention to the Artificer, a class which has seen several trial runs in Unearthed Arcana articles and is scheduled to be officially released alongside the Eberron setting later this year. Artificers are the class most closely associated with crafting, and as a class feature they can create a limited number of magical items for free, without the expense and time involved with the normal process. Once created, these items can be used by the Artificer himself or doled out to his allies, at his discretion.
    Yeah, the Warforged and the Artificer class are two of my favorite items from 3.5 edition.

    It seems like those would be a good source for me to consider. Especially with the Ravnica book released a while back.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickAllison View Post
    Crafting very much depends on DM buy-in to be effective. For just making any mundane thing, you just need the tool proficiency to make it, money, and time. To make magic items, you need the tool proficiency, time, money, an exotic material, and you need to know how to make it.

    Tool proficiency: This one is fairly straightforward. If you want to make armor, you need smithing proficiency. If you want to make a wand, woodcarver's tools proficiency. Herbalism for potions.

    Time: For mundane items, it takes a day's work (8 hours) for every 10 gp of the cost (it takes a while to craft plate armor). For magic items, this depends on rarity. 5 days for common, 10 for uncommon, 50 for rare, 125 for very rare, and 250 for legendary, with halved time for consumables and special rules for potions and scrolls.

    Money: For mundane, it takes half of the item's cost to make it. For magic items, it's 50 for common, 200 for uncommon, 2000 for rare, 20,000 for very rare, and 100,000 for legendary, halved for consumables and with potions and scrolls working differently.

    Exotic Material: This is why magic items can't be mass-produced. You need some special item that can only be obtained by overcoming a CR X encounter. CR 1+ for common, 4+ for uncommon, 9+ for rare, 13+ for very rare, and 19+ for legendary. A skin of a regular Yeti could be used to make a common item which keeps you feeling cozy (mostly RP, but could possibly give advantage in cold weather), while that of an Abominable Yeti could be used to make a true Ring or Armor of Cold Resistance. It could also be something that is guarded by a challenge of suitable CR, like a flower in the feylands. Does not apply to potions or scrolls.

    Recipe: Finally, we come to something which does not have actual rules in most published sources, but will be released with Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron. You need a recipe to even start working on the magic item, and these take even more time to make and have minimum skill bonuses required (Arcana for arcane casters, Religion or Nature for appropriate divine). For example, a rare item requires a +6 skill bonus, which for most point-buy characters isn't going to be until level 5. A legendary item requires a +10 bonus, putting it out of reach until high-level play (or for someone with Expertise).

    As Damon_Tor noted, Artificers are great for this because, in their specialty, they get halved item cost and quartered item creation time. If a wand of Dancing Lights (presumably common rarity) requires a Will o' the Wisp essence, an Artillerist with the recipe can crank one of those out in ten hours of work and for 25 gp. An alchemist mass-producing basic Potions of Healing can crank one out every two hours for 12.5 gp.

    EDIT: Incidentally, my current PC is a Warforged Artificer focused on crafting wands. I play him as very Magitek. He uses a Wand Sheath to fire wands like a super battle droid from Star Wars, most of his spells are fluffed as body modifications using magic to replicate science, and so on. Detect Magic basically is a sonar system, Disguise Self is a holoprojector, and so on.
    Nice idea for the Warforged. I am interested to hear if the spell forged prestige class has also been brought into 5E.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonfly7 View Post
    Wait.... It's been confirmed to be officially released????????
    Can I has link please?
    Quote Originally Posted by RickAllison View Post
    I don't know if we have any official confirmation yet, but Mearls has said it will be there: "If we do an Eberron print product, we will design it to complement as much as possible what [Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron] presents.... Some things, like the artificer, races, and basic world info, will be picked up for a print book, but we want fans to be happy owning both"
    Quote Originally Posted by Damon_Tor View Post
    https://dnd.wizards.com/products/tab...oducts/eberron

    "Meld magic and invention to craft objects of wonder as an artificer—the first official class to be released for fifth edition D&D since the Player’s Handbook."

    There you go.
    It looks to be out in November. Which gives me a reason to buy the other two books (I already have the Player's Handbook).

    Thanks for the assist, people. I am interested in playing, but I have been burned by WOTC back in 4th.
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