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2019-09-22, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Master Race List; Natural Attacks
Hey folks. I'm looking into doing a series about what races do the best and the worst when it comes to particular stats or features. I'm wanting to start with Natural Attacks. Is that something people would be into? Is that something that would actually be appreciated?
Tell me what you think!
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2019-09-22, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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List of Races
Could you maybe come up with a name for the project that doesn't include the very unfortunate phrase "master race"? That has... implications. How about just "complete list of races" or something?
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2019-09-22, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
Maybe "master list if races?"
Edit: Or "race master list?"Last edited by Maat Mons; 2019-09-22 at 03:20 PM.
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2019-09-22, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-22, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
To be fair to Buufreak, that is, in fact, what the most well known resource of LA +0 races is known as: Master +0 LA Race List III http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=1281.0
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2019-09-22, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-22, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
Kobolds get claws and bite in that one online article, making them surprisingly good natural attackers for a 0 LA race.
I also vote for changing the title...
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2019-09-22, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: List of Races
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2019-09-22, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
As part of any such list, you could also include the +1 and +2 LA races, from this list: [3.5] LA +1 & LA +2 Player Race List
LA +1
- Bladeling (claw)
- Diabolus (tail)
- Jaebrin (bite)
- Lizardfolk, Poison Dusk (claws and bite)
- Wildren (claws)
LA+2
- Aarakocra (talons and bite)
- Ixitxachitl (bite)
- Twig Blight (claws)
Last edited by Thurbane; 2019-09-22 at 05:32 PM.
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2019-09-22, 08:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
If these search terms, I would suggest that you attach 3.5 or something similar to it to narrow the results. At this time, both quotes will bring up the link to minmax forum with the listing. However, we are running closer and closer to election year ( don't want to dissolve this into politics. Take that elsewhere. ) and you may get different results in the future if there isn't something in there to 'narrow' the results.
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2019-09-23, 02:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
"Best and Worst Races for X" seems like it would capture the OP's intent. "List of Races" feels way to generic.
I don't know if they're the best but I feel Warforged deserve a special mention because they can do things with their natural weapons that few other races can, like coat them in contact poison and disease.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2019-09-23, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-23, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-23, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
The races/templates section of this excellent guide may also be of interest: [3.X] Extra attacks, natural attacks, AoO
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2019-09-24, 09:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
Absolutely the intent.
In other news, I'm glad to see people generally like the idea, name withheld. And if I can dig deep into it and it actually takes off well enough, I kinda want to do a series. Generally to start this one off (which I'll start a new thread for of course) I want to look into what makes a good natural attack, and which race will give you the most bang for your buck, before and without mention of template, class, or otherwise. Feats that are specific to a single race will get special mention and consideration, but much like RHD and LA, will be viewed as additional cost being paid for the benefits.
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2019-09-25, 02:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Master Race List; Natural Attacks
Nothing in itself - they're just another natural attack. The cash money part is that you get one for free and can easily get another one, and you can then combine them with all other natural attacks. Many natural attacks are limited - you can only (usually) have one bite attack, and you can only usually have two claws. Claws and bites are usually a lot easier to gain, though, whether you're a clawlock or any of the countless races and templates that get some for free.
Slams, though? You don't see that that often, let alone easy access to two of them.
Or maybe I'm wrong and someone will come along to call me a dummy.
And on top of that, they can coat their natural attacks in poisons or just dung for that matter, and there's good argument that they can or should be able to straight-up enchant their unarmednor natural attacks, based on the same logic as the one given for them enchanting their body as armor.Last edited by Luckmann; 2019-09-25 at 02:41 AM.