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    Pretty self-explanatory. Will Bloodfeast the Extreme-inator become an Allosourus again before the end of the comic? It could be a pretty badass moment in the climactic battle.

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    Assuming Baleful Polymorph can be dispelled in OoTS-verse (and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be able to), it's too big of a Chekhov's gun (a dinosaur-sized gun, you might say) to not happen at some point.

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    Signs point to the answer being the one everyone expects:

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    Default Re: Will Bloodfeast the Extreme-inator become an Allosourus again?

    There's no evidence it will happen, but you can bet your life savings that if it does it will be awesome.

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    There's no evidence it will happen, but you can bet your life savings that if it does it will be awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo Baggins View Post
    Assuming Baleful Polymorph can be dispelled in OoTS-verse (and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be able to), it's too big of a Chekhov's gun (a dinosaur-sized gun, you might say) to not happen at some point.
    It definitely can. V was the target of Baleful Polymorph, and Durkon was able to dispel it from her.

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    I mean, they're about to* head into a nest full of economy-size beasties. Who doesn't want to watch an Allosaurus go claw-to-tooth against a Purple Worm?

    *"about to" might be some years hence, given this comic, but it's still coming in the next book.
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    The only concern is Bloodfeast's mediocre will save. He'll pack a punch against a horde, but he'd be a liability against Xykon or Redcloak if the Order didn't take precautions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Watcher View Post
    I mean, they're about to* head into a nest full of economy-size beasties. Who doesn't want to watch an Allosaurus go claw-to-tooth against a Purple Worm?

    *"about to" might be some years hence, given this comic, but it's still coming in the next book.
    There's an actual problem with the north being too cold for Bloodfeast, soLALALALA ENDURE ELEMENTS LALALALA

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    The only concern is Bloodfeast's mediocre will save. He'll pack a punch against a horde, but he'd be a liability against Xykon or Redcloak if the Order didn't take precautions.
    Frankly, I'd be surprised if Xykon bothers to get the giant dinosaur to attack the Order instead of just Meteor Swarm-ing it. RC might, but something tells me he would have other things to attend to; he might summon an elemental thinking it will be a quick fight and then the elemental can fight the Order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    There's an actual problem with the north being too cold for Bloodfeast, soLALALALA ENDURE ELEMENTS LALALALA



    Frankly, I'd be surprised if Xykon bothers to get the giant dinosaur to attack the Order instead of just Meteor Swarm-ing it. RC might, but something tells me he would have other things to attend to; he might summon an elemental thinking it will be a quick fight and then the elemental can fight the Order.
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    Order of the Stick is single-author fiction. If Rich wants Bloodfeast to factor into a final battle with Redcloak and Xykon, it's not that hard to contrive a reason why Bloodfeast could turn the fight around by getting dispelled at a pivotal moment, no matter how unlikely such a moment would be in an actual game of 3.5.

    And, of course, there's plenty of other circumstances when Bloodfeast could return to full allosaur glory. There's a whole book left in the story, it's not like the Order of the Stick is going to show up at Team Evil's base camp at the final gate and then immediately dust up with Xykon. Pacing of the final book demands build-up, so there'll be plenty of time for Bloodfeast to sink his claws into something like the aforementioned purple worm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo Baggins View Post
    Assuming Baleful Polymorph can be dispelled in OoTS-verse (and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be able to), it's too big of a Chekhov's gun (a dinosaur-sized gun, you might say) to not happen at some point.
    I don't know why it wouldn't be able to be dispelled, but it was, already, in universe.

    V was the subject of a Baleful Polymorph spell way back in the Starmetal sidequest.
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    My guess is yes, there's been too many signposts for Blood feast to not have him pay off. But not in the climactic fight. Remember in this book (starting from the storm and up to the council chamber) there were four non-climactic fights (Bozzok and Crystal, Durkon in the Godsmoot, Frost Giants, Durkon in the Dining Hall) before the final battle. If the last book is similarly lengthed and paced, Bloodfeast will change before they reach Monsters Hollow, is my guess. He won't factor into the Xykon fight; he would, at best, tank a Meteor Swarm and be killed, at worst be dominated and the Order have to fight him.
    I was expecting him to be used in the vamp fights, tbh. There were plenty of signals leading up to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    My guess is yes, there's been too many signposts for Blood feast to not have him pay off.
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    I was expecting him to be used in the vamp fights, tbh. There were plenty of signals leading up to them.
    I donít remember any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squark View Post
    The only concern is Bloodfeast's mediocre will save. He'll pack a punch against a horde, but he'd be a liability against Xykon or Redcloak if the Order didn't take precautions.
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    The main reason they are keeping him small is they canít feed him at full size so yes he will return
    The issue is will he die with Belkar? I canít se him surviving alone in the polar regions
    Possibly let him loose in the astral fortress
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    Pretty sure the order would take care of Belkarís pets should they survive him. Elan, at least would.

    Then again, Roy, Elan and Haley did picture Mr. Scruffy getting killed alongside Belkar in their perfect world fantasy.
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    Only a +2 I'm afraid. Would be better off just using protection from evil.

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    I would like to point out that there is a giant flying ythrak that is a perfect fight for a dinosaur, and itís owner also has a wolf.
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    Will Bloodfeast the Extreme-inator become an Allosaurus again?

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    And Belkar needs to make that album cover before he goes bye bye.

    The head fake on Bloodfeast being possibly in the vampire fight was him sleeping in the bag of holding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    I would like to point out that there is a giant flying ythrak that is a perfect fight for a dinosaur, and itís owner also has a wolf.
    I would have thought that a perfect fight for a dinosaur would have involved something that couldnít just fly up and blast it with a cone of sonic from out of reach.

    Greyview versus Bloodfeast does sound fascinating, though. The equivalent of a high-level druidís animal companion (I donít recall the stats for Beastmasters, so Iím going to assume thatís a similar thing) versus a dinosaur? Sounds like a fair fight to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    I would have thought that a perfect fight for a dinosaur would have involved something that couldnít just fly up and blast it with a cone of sonic from out of reach.

    Greyview versus Bloodfeast does sound fascinating, though. The equivalent of a high-level druidís animal companion (I donít recall the stats for Beastmasters, so Iím going to assume thatís a similar thing) versus a dinosaur? Sounds like a fair fight to me.
    I mean the perfect fight for Bloodfeast would be another dinosaur being ridden by Mikoís ghost but thatís not gonna happen.

    And Greyview (the Wolf thing) would be terrible to fight Bloodfeast, heíd just be crushed, Mr. Scruffy (heavily buffed with help from Belkar or whoever) would be better.
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    RC might, but something tells me he would have other things to attend to; he might summon an elemental thinking it will be a quick fight and then the elemental can fight the Order.
    Allosaurus vs Huge Elemental is just the kind of awesome Kaiju-battle-style fight that I'd like to see Bloodfeast involved in...
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    Superb dispelling?

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    I was betting on Hel sending in her pet hellhound, Garm, and them sicking Bloodfeast on him.

    That didn't wind up happening and the big monster wound up being the Deathworm, who was quite fun so I don't mind, but I was surprised.

    And yeah the Dinosaur form is totally coming back at the most opportune moment, but it'll be held in reserve because you don't want to over-expose it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    My guess is yes, there's been too many signposts for Blood feast to not have him pay off. But not in the climactic fight. Remember in this book (starting from the storm and up to the council chamber) there were four non-climactic fights (Bozzok and Crystal, Durkon in the Godsmoot, Frost Giants, Durkon in the Dining Hall) before the final battle. If the last book is similarly lengthed and paced, Bloodfeast will change before they reach Monsters Hollow, is my guess. He won't factor into the Xykon fight; he would, at best, tank a Meteor Swarm and be killed, at worst be dominated and the Order have to fight him.
    This got me thinking.
    A good narrative use of him (that could also be awesome) would be if Bloodfeast is re-dinorsaur'ed for a fight, only to die defending Belkar. Such could be the final thing to push Belkar 'over the edge' into Goodness (or at least solid Neutrality.) Belkar finds himself surprised not to be in pain from his Protection from Evil amulet, and then he dies heroically.

    So perhaps part of the final fight, or at least the penultimate one.

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    I should note that, even reduced, Bloodfeast could be a shocking threat. Due to the way Baleful Polymorph works, he's now extremely hard to hit, and still with roughly as much HP as Roy. There's a REASON the rats barely scratched him.

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    Half the Order can return Bloodfeast to his original status. They don't even need to use a spell slot, as Elan can do it for free.

    I assume they keep them unpolymorphed because it's easier for Belkar to carry him as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pilgrim View Post
    Half the Order can return Bloodfeast to his original status. They don't even need to use a spell slot, as Elan can do it for free.

    I assume they keep them unpolymorphed because it's easier for Belkar to carry him as it is.
    They are only waiting to re-dinosaur him after V enchants a little ball-shaped pet kennel with a Baleful Polymorph effect... and a Dispel cast when he leaves the kennel.
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