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    I don't think Outer Planes is the same thing as Valhalla though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindStruck View Post
    I don't think Outer Planes is the same thing as Valhalla though.
    Valhalla is ON one of the Outer Planes. Presumably the CG one, but at this point that's just an assumption based on Deities and Demigods.
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    I'm reasonably sure that the prime material plane is the only plane that's part of the Snarl's Prison.

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    Given that, from what we saw of the outer planes while Roy was dead, it seems that several generations of families exist simultaneously, so the amount of time that it takes a single soul to use up all of its use as a "battery" for the Gods is presumably at least a few generations. Since Thor legitimately thinks that The Dark One would be unable to survive to the next world, we can safely assume that it could take at least a few centuries between worlds (I'm sure a century seems much shorter to celestial beings).

    I don't know if they would put in the effort to kill the remaining few beings that get off the prime material world, when they'll probably just die off due to old age at that point.

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    My pet theory (which has zero basis in canon) is that weird extraplanar creatures are descendants of plane-shifted beings from previous worlds. We know the gods have come up with plenty of weird ideas over the aeons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltowait View Post
    My pet theory (which has zero basis in canon) is that weird extraplanar creatures are descendants of plane-shifted beings from previous worlds. We know the gods have come up with plenty of weird ideas over the aeons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltowait View Post
    My pet theory (which has zero basis in canon) is that weird extraplanar creatures are descendants of plane-shifted beings from previous worlds. We know the gods have come up with plenty of weird ideas over the aeons.
    We can even see someday a mad wizard that has a Theory as a pet, this Theory being a descendant from the survivors of the world where concepts and ideas were people....
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    I'd guess if any planes besides the prime material were at risk it'd be the inner planes. So all the coterminous ones (shadow, ethereal) and the elemental ones (including positive and negative energy and the demi and semi elemental planes).

    In some cosmologies the ethereal plane is sort of the 'plane between planes' acting as the route from the material to the inner ones, while the astral serves that purpose for the outer ones. There's also a fan theory that there'd be a plane (sometimes called the ordial plane) linking the outer planes directly to the inner planes.

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    Their are three comics that combine to make me believe that people can live if the planer travel.
    The one with the movie snacks.
    The one where Thor explains that one of the worlds was sentient food.
    And the one with Fruitpie the Sorcerer.

    Fruitpie is likely a descendant of some powerful snack that plane traveled and started a colony of some obscure plane. Like the plane of Ranch Dressing, but fruit or pie based.
    That... makes distributing the snack cakes kind of horrifying. "Here, eat these babies!"

    I guess maybe you could argue that they're more analogous to animals that most people consider acceptable to eat, like chickens or something. But it still seems weird to me to be handing out things that, even if not alive, are the same shape and composition as oneself. (Yes, this is way too much thought to be putting into a joke that Rich described as literally originating in a half-remembered dream. What of it?)

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    What makes anyone think that Hilgaya is right and she'll escape death by planeshifting? The author loves doing that DM thing where he plays NPCs according to what he thinks they should know. And he really really loves telling people that they're wrong. So it's totally in character for him to make the NPC have a false assumption and then not tell the PCs.
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    That... makes distributing the snack cakes kind of horrifying. "Here, eat these babies!"

    I guess maybe you could argue that they're more analogous to animals that most people consider acceptable to eat, like chickens or something. But it still seems weird to me to be handing out things that, even if not alive, are the same shape and composition as oneself. (Yes, this is way too much thought to be putting into a joke that Rich described as literally originating in a half-remembered dream. What of it?)
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    What makes anyone think that Hilgaya is right and she'll escape death by planeshifting? The author loves doing that DM thing where he plays NPCs according to what he thinks they should know. And he really really loves telling people that they're wrong. So it's totally in character for him to make the NPC have a false assumption and then not tell the PCs.
    I doubt we'll ever find out anyway. But even if that doesn't work, there's nothing to lose by trying.
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    the Vector Legion [is the IFCC's new pawns], mark my words. Way too much unfinished business there and they already know about the Gates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finagle View Post
    What makes anyone think that Hilgaya is right and she'll escape death by planeshifting? The author loves doing that DM thing where he plays NPCs according to what he thinks they should know. And he really really loves telling people that they're wrong. So it's totally in character for him to make the NPC have a false assumption and then not tell the PCs.
    I get your point, but i'm not sure why you're so hostile about it. The Giant is writing a story, with, like, characters and all that jazz, so, yeah, obviously, they make false assumptions, as people do. He writes the PCs the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Watcher View Post
    That... makes distributing the snack cakes kind of horrifying. "Here, eat these babies!"

    I guess maybe you could argue that they're more analogous to animals that most people consider acceptable to eat, like chickens or something. But it still seems weird to me to be handing out things that, even if not alive, are the same shape and composition as oneself.
    The cakes he made weren't alive at all, IIRC. So it's more like a human using Gingerbread men, or something else shaped like a miniature human but clearly not alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woweedd View Post
    I get your point, but i'm not sure why you're so hostile about it. The Giant is writing a story, with, like, characters and all that jazz, so, yeah, obviously, they make false assumptions, as people do. He writes the PCs the same way.
    What part of that read as hostile to you?
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    What part of that read as hostile to you?
    To be fair, it is posted on the internet.
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    To be fair, it is posted on the internet.
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    What part of that read as hostile to you?
    The rage face smiley, mainly.

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    The rage face smiley, mainly.
    Huh. I'd completely missed that until you mentioned it.
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    Well, I would think that most planar travelers would die before the next world was created, based off of Thor's comments of the Dark One running out of energy between worlds. But, also, even if they had kids, like Kudzu, they probably wouldn't be able to find enough planar travelers to keep their line going, and I'm guessing that having kids with an Outsider would make any descendants susceptible to whatever it is that the gods do to wipe the Outsiders' memories.

    And, then, once the new world is created, there's a pretty good chance any planar travelers, if they somehow managed to survive, can't go to the new world. Different chemical make-up of air, life probably is based on a different element, viruses your immune system can't handle, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElderSage View Post
    Well, I would think that most planar travelers would die before the next world was created, based off of Thor's comments of the Dark One running out of energy between worlds.
    Mortal planar travellers are not powered by belief in the way that gods are, so what happens to a god in between worlds has no reflection whatsoever on what happens to mortals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElderSage View Post
    Well, I would think that most planar travelers would die before the next world was created, based off of Thor's comments of the Dark One running out of energy between worlds. But, also, even if they had kids, like Kudzu, they probably wouldn't be able to find enough planar travelers to keep their line going, and I'm guessing that having kids with an Outsider would make any descendants susceptible to whatever it is that the gods do to wipe the Outsiders' memories.

    And, then, once the new world is created, there's a pretty good chance any planar travelers, if they somehow managed to survive, can't go to the new world. Different chemical make-up of air, life probably is based on a different element, viruses your immune system can't handle, etc.
    Simply being born on the planes makes you a planar which also means less energy from your worship and why the gods don't encourage it and also why they pay more attention to affairs on the prime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjasghar View Post
    Simply being born on the planes makes you a planar which also means less energy from your worship and why the gods don't encourage it and also why they pay more attention to affairs on the prime.
    Do we know that information about the nature of being born on the planes applies to this world?

    Regardless I agree with the premise that any survivors from a destroyed world would not matter much to the Gods, at least from a belief-worship perspective. My rationale is that at a maximum there may be a few hundred or maybe even a few thousand who escape, and even if they are all very devout clerics, they still would make up a miniscule amount of the worship a God needs to survive. That and we have no idea how long the Gods wait between worlds, so it's also possible that a lack of genetic diversity would result in the small communities of survivors not lasting long.

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