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2019-09-27, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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As much as I love Dragonlance, I wouldn't hold out any hopes for another movie. They don't even make any novels, sourcebooks or modules anymore. It is completely dead, and from what I've seen, WotC has no interest in reviving it--least not any time soon.
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2019-09-28, 12:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also worth noting they have made an animated movie of Dragons of Autumn Twilight, and it wasn't very well received.
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2019-09-28, 12:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-28, 06:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-28, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Should they make a live action movie called Dragonlamce: Dragons of Autumn Twilig
Which unfortunately doesn't mean anything to Hollywood. If a movie bombs, the takeaway is never 'we made a bad movie.' It's always, 'I guess people don't like x' (where 'x' is whatever the movie is about). Remember when Star Trek Enterprise did poorly and was cancelled, and the takeaway for studio execs wasn't "we made a bad show, let's do better next time" but rather, "Welp, guess nobody likes Star Trek anymore" and consequently, it took 12 years before we got another Star Trek TV series?
The point I'm making is, after the animated movie failed, I don't think people are going to be eager to make a new one. They're going to assume it will bomb, as well, even if it is better made.
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I'd love it if Dragonlance returned, in any form, but it's just looking less and less likely as the years pass. I hang out at the official Dragonlance forums, and they're pretty much dead, too. Most people seem to have forgotten about it, and a good deal of younger D&D players were only kids when it was still active, so have no memories of it.Last edited by JadedDM; 2019-09-28 at 07:32 PM.
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2019-09-28, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Should they make a live action movie called Dragonlamce: Dragons of Autumn Twilig
In 2001 WotC licensed Sovereign Press - Margaret Weis' game company - to produce 3e Dragonlance material. When the license expired in 2007 it was not renewed. WotC never strongly supported Dragonlance as a property, possibly due to a history of conflicts between the setting's nominal creators and their then superiors at TSR in the late 80s and through the 90s.
I'd love it if Dragonlance returned, in any form, but it's just looking less and less likely as the years pass. I hang out at the official Dragonlance forums, and they're pretty much dead, too. Most people seem to have forgotten about it, and a good deal of younger D&D players were only kids when it was still active, so have no memories of it.
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2019-09-30, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't see why there was a 4th or 5th edition of D&D, 3.5 always worked fine for me. 3.5 was versatile and still is! You can download copies of just about all the 3.5 books that were ever published, they fit in my tablet memory just fine, and when they are in this form, they don't weigh much as they physical hard covers do, and they don't cost as much either! I still have they physical hard covers, but they are a pain to lug around! My dragonlance books are all e-books now. I'm not sure if the 5th edition comes in e-book form. I did buy the 5th edition core rulebooks, I got two hardcover 5th edition D&D adventures, for some reason WotC likes to make adventures that take you from 1st to 20th level, I never understood why. In the old days, adventures were self-contained and only advanced characters 2 or 3 levels at a time, rather than being a whole campaign.
The two adventures I bought each cost about $50, and each of the core rulebooks cost $50, for a total purchase price of around $250! D&D didn't used to cost so much. I studied the 5th edition rules, and it seems to be simplified from the 3.5 edition, more geared towards the D&D setting and no equivalent to d20 Modern. 4th edition was more complicated, and less familiar to me, a lot of strange character classes, this kind of drove me to Pathfinder. Game designers like to change things a lot. I find there is nothing wrong with 3.5, nothing obsolete about it. You can shell out a lot of money to buy the 5th edition hardcovers, or if your a cheapskate. You can download the 3.5 e-books instead. I kind of like doing the later. There is so much more stuff for 3.5 than there is for 5th edition, its old stuff but there is alot of it! And when doing fantasy roleplaying, nothing much really changes over the decades.
Dragonlance is old, but many are familiar with it, particularly the Chronicals trilogy, since it lasted this long, I think it may be worth turning into a movie, just like the Lord of the Rings has been. The game companies are obsessed with making new stuff, because they like to publish and sell books and games. Once the market has been saturated with a particular product, they start writing the next product.
A lot of people have Dragonlance on their books shelves, it is one of the D&D classics. If they did a movie of it, it would be a new product, not an old book, people would buy tickets to see it, if done well! Not second rate. If the movie companies don't want to produce it, maybe a go fund me page could. They could get permission from Margaret Weis, and Tracy Hickman to produce 3 movies, I think the special effects required are old hat, they were available at the turn of the century whe Lord of the Rings was produced. A similar movie with similar special effect could be produced much more cheaply now, and that should be enough.
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2019-09-30, 07:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but if you're being serious, you are completely failing to understand the economic of gaming. The publishers will always move to introduce new editions (or entirely new games) as a means to move product. You can only sell any given person a single sourcebook once, so it's necessary to keep producing new sourcebooks in order to continue to make money off the fans.
If the movie companies don't want to produce it, maybe a go fund me page could.
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3.5 has...issues, shall we say? Versatile yeah, that was likely it's greatest strength. And if you had the system mastery to make it work, you could do some really cool stuff with it. If you didn't, well the game would rapidly become a slog of flipping through a half-dozen different books and needing a separate sheet to keep track of your different ongoing bonuses.
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2019-09-30, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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There are many ways you can produce this movie, just having a good story is not enough with movies. There was a series of Lord of the Rings cartoons which preceded the movies, the cartoons were not as good, the songs were kind of corny. If done right, a Dragonlance trilogy could be as profitable as the Lord of the Rings trilogy. A good start would be to get someone like Peter Jackson to direct it for example. You have to invest your money in the right places and on the right things to get a quality product that sells tickets. You have to take risks to reap the rewards. Movies often tend to be formulaic, and that is why there are a lot of remakes and sequels. People are comfortable with things they already know. Corporations have shareholders that don't like to take risks. SpaceX on the otherhand is not a publicly held corporations. Committees and a board of directors is nomsubstitute for genius.
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2019-09-30, 08:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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One thing I do like is that 3.5 treats PCs and NPCs, and other creatures the same, they have the same format, and their are formulaic rules for creating new monsters, while in 5th edition, there are different stat blocks for NPCs than for players. Only players have character classes, NPCs do notl they simply have statistics, so you can have an encounter with them and be done with it. 3.5 allows to play a monster in the manual as a PC, 5th edition makes that a lot harder, it is more seat of your pants. If you see an NPC stat block, you have to deduce what character class it was in order to work backwards and make a PC out of it. 3.5 doesn't give you that problem. 5th might be easier to learn and play, but it was made simpler to achieve that ease. If your a newbie, then 5th might be easier to learn, but its hard to unlearn stuff one has already learned, which is why I stick with 3.5.
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2019-09-30, 10:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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And I love that in 5th edition the heroes are unique and special as a result. Well okay, I love that the monsters feel unique and special. And I love that when it comes to creating homebrew monsters and stuff, I don't feel the need to keep it in the same system as the PCs.
Admittedly, yeah, it is a lot harder to play as a monster. Or to do something really weird. Or to break the game.
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2019-09-30, 10:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why are we even debating which D&D edition is better than the other and I think people write there own books, not the company itself. To be honest I'm all for a Dragonlance movie even though I never read nor play the game.
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2019-09-30, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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I never understood why they don't ever just do a straight adaptation of an existing module. I'd totally watch a Temple of Elemental Evil movie, or an Age of Worms movie, or a Dark Queen of Krynn movie, or a Great Modron March movie or a Tomb of Horrors movie or a Baldur's Gate movie. But I won't watch the BS they keep making.
Also, in the 2000 D&D movie, why the heck did they replace the Orbs of Dragonkind with that scepter?"If you want to understand biology don't think about vibrant throbbing gels and oozes, think about information technology" -Richard Dawkins
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2019-10-01, 03:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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I’ve slowly come to terms with the fact that the Brazilian Car Commercial is the most faithful and competently directed adaption of any D&D setting we will ever get.
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I agree with you about the cost, but I don't see any reason why Riverwind, Goldmoon or Tas would be problematic in their unmodified form. Are you able to elaborate.
I don't see why this would be a problem either. Dragonlance isn;t nearly so much about faith etc as Narnia was.
I agree with this.
Drop the Everman, the Hammer, the Discs.
Merge Elistan, Riverwind and Laurana into Goldmoon, and drop Tika.
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2019-10-01, 06:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Tomb of Horrors would make for a great D&D-flavored horror movie. Start out with a large group of adventurers (8-10) and have the party dwindle steadily as they get deeper and deeper in, playing up the deaths for full shock value. A soul-stealing Lich is perfect Act 3 drama, and he's also a fake so you can have the classic "supposedly dead killer ambushes survivors" ending to a good horror movie.
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Re: Should they make a live action movie called Dragonlamce: Dragons of Autumn Twilig
I've bolded the important bit, because it has a specific name in pitching projects to investors, specifically, "brand recognition". In the fantasy genre, Lord of the Rings basically has the most of it, and had the most of it more or less since it was published. And they had quite literally been trying to make the Lord of the Rings as a film for fifty years* before Peter Jackson was given permission to spend $281 million on it, i.e. one of the most expensive film series in history. That's what it took to make three films of a series the average IQ-90 The Amazing Race filmgoer could understand and which was the foundation of the 'modern' fantasy genre. Even then, Disney got weak at the knees and handballed the entire series to New Line Cinema, under Harvey Weinstein.
Dragonlance doesn't have that brand recognition. Not now, not even back in the 1980s when it was at its height. Not the sort of brand recognition that inspires investors to stump up the hundreds of millions of dollars required to do it right -- because unfortunately, you can't do fantasy, and certainly not film fantasy, on a shoestring. (Conan the Barbarian was made for 20 million - 53 million in today's dollars. It looks it. Arnie's cro-magnon performance saves it. Ladyhawke cost 20 million - and was a failure, didn't make its budget back. Good old Krull cost 30 million in 1982, and had solid-ish effects for the time.) As said, Lord of the Rings was made for approximately $90 million per film. In present-day terms, that's $130 million per film - total of $390 million, 0.4 billion dollars. That sort of money requires an astonishingly good story, timeless, relatable, and Dragonlance, whilst a decent genre read, is not that.
Making matters worse is that even after spending that colossal sort of sum on a film it is certainly possible to spend that amount of money on fantasy and still come away with god-awful effects: witness Game of Thrones' final season, and in particular the Battle of Winterfell which was certainly showing its budgetary limits because they turned out all the lights during that episode. (And note again: Game of Thrones, a long, multi-volume series, was too big a risk for films. It was made as a TV series. After the books had been out for the better part of 20 years and still being in the public consciousness because Martin hasn't finished the damn series yet.) The Witcher's had a couple of (bad) Polish TV series, but it was only after they made roughly 3 very successful computer games out of it that it rated sufficient brand recognition for them to start casting Superman, er, Henry Cavill in a large-r budget TV adaptation.
*The first one to try was Forest J. Ackerman, that purveyor of schlock who basically took the fledgling genre of speculative fiction and turned it into what Harlan Ellison correctly and derisively called "skiffy". You can thank Manwe that one fell through. John Boorman got closest but his treatment featured Frodo bumping uglies with Galadriel, so again, a lucky near miss there. As with the space race, the Russians got there first in 1985 with their series, which as you can guess from the time period, didn't get a lot of play in the US.)Last edited by Saintheart; 2019-10-01 at 08:48 AM.
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To be honest, it's going to require two movies at least to tell the story if you don't want to lose people and the momentum. Otherwise, the story drags and becomes difficult to follow or care about.
Villeneuve (However his name is spelled) is making a movie of Dune, and is making more than one movie apparently.
You first need a budget of the same as the Lord of the Rings movies. Second, you need writers like Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Phillipa Boyens that were committed to trying to make the story work, and mined even the appendices to try to make the trilogy function. Some would say that they failed.
Third, you need establish what is the main plot. The book is long and not great for a direct adaption. Plus there is more material than would fit in a single movie to really work.
The Quest in the book was:
Riverwind (prequelly) gets the blue crystal staff after leaving to impress goldmoon and her dad. He ends up in Jungle ruins place, and returns with the staff, all ill
the presentation of the staff causes trouble in goldmoon's tribe, she and riverwind get zapped to solace
Tanis comes home and meets with his friends, we meet Tika earlier, and now the gang is back, a god in disguise causes trouble
the gang escapes with goldmoon, riverwind, and staff, they discover that they need to bring the gods back or are working on that
they take the staff to haven another town, they encounter the dragon guys, then head off to bypass further encounters by trying another path/the path of the dead
The path of the dead ends with the party meeting forestmaster in darkon wood, learning about going back to riverwind's jungle ruins place
the gang travel across by flying horse, find the ruined village place, visit a swamp, encounter more dragon guys
find and enter the jungle ruins place, encounter dragon!!!, then go further into jungle ruins to meet gully dwarves, then encounter dragon again, then get disks, also lose and regain goldmoon, group moves to go back home
That would cover about 2-3 hours if you were to film it with any degree of accuracy, and you are about halfway through the book. So, already a single long movie run time has been reached. We are still missing the rest of the novel.
So, i would say that it would take at least two movies to make the novel in full. Otherwise you have to crunch everything down, which was possible in the Animated movie (which i own and watch, like) but it doesn't pause long enough to have you really care about anything, it simply moves on too quickly for that. They put in a little prologue for the story as well, like what lord of the ring movies did.
Dragonlance is also the most famous or discussed settings. Those are Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, and Eberron. Those are settings most people know about and talk, if one goes by could be found in splatbooks and the like. Settings like Dark Sun, Dragonlance, Birthright, Mystara, Ravenloft are less known about and would require more material in the film to get it going in making you care.
To be honest, a movie following the Ravenloft story of Strahd would work better than a dragonlance one. Strahd's story has everything hollywood likes in films: violence, Sex opportunities, nudity opportunities, violence, sex & nudity opportunities. Plus, you have the battle with strahd which would include violence there.
So, maybe they won't make it since it would be hard to be profitable.
Frankly, a deeper truth is that D&D movies planned out by the company seem to fail. the first one failed, the second was not as bad, and third was failed hail mary effort. So, WotC not looking so good hereBlog Read and Comment! I use green for joking and Blue for sarcasm.
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