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2019-12-02, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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I write a horror blog in my spare time.
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2019-12-02, 09:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, not really. But I am exaggerating how much people would rebel at working side-by-side with untamed dino's. After all, mine sweepers exist. That has to be an even worse job. 'Hey, we need these mines cleared. Yea, it's a little dangerous, but you get this wooden stick, and a helmet!' And that seems to be enough to make people think 'eh ... it's propably fine.' =D
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2019-12-02, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-12-02, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, I'm not sure if cloning is that relevant to the military. Semi-realistically speaking at least. Maybe if you combine it with the sped up growing that cloning movies always have and apply it to humans it could be useful, but any government jumping at that offer has some moral issues. Dinosaurs? The natural world already has bears. Those are roughly as dangerous, and a lot cheaper to breed than dinosaurs are to clone. Even with genetic engineering to make them hyper advanced killing machines, they're still competing with presumably hyper advanced rifles and tanks, assuming it's not just bio-engineering that lept at least about half a century ahead. And even if it is just bio-engineering, they still have to compete with modern day rifles and tanks, not to mention genetically modified bears and elephants, which are probably still cheaper then dinosaurs. Even after their initial resurrection, we simply have more data on mammals because most of the research is done on mice, often humanized in some minor way.
It's a cool concept for a movie, but whether it's really the big money maker here... Honestly using this hyper advanced tech for medical applications sounds more profitable.
And of course sometimes doing something is its own reward. That's how the movie frames it. Hammond and presumably his closest circle of scientists (at that point) just want to show the world dinosaurs, all his investors have only two options, be in on the dinosaurs at the ground floor under his conditions or not be in on dinosaurs at the ground floor. (Or option three: acquire the research somehow to use as they themselves see fit, hence the plot.) (Also: not super realistic probably, usually it's the money people who get to say what's going to happen, but close enough to reality that it could potentially happen.)Last edited by Lvl 2 Expert; 2019-12-02 at 11:22 AM.
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2019-12-02, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Jumping on the Jurassic Park/World thing here, could dinosaurs breathe in the modern world? As I understand it, the atmosphere had a substantially higher concentration of oxygen during the Jurassic/Cretaceous period than it does now.
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2019-12-02, 03:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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But a lot lower during much of the Triassic, as far as I understand. That's suspected to be one of the reasons Pangea still had very diverse animal life: mountain ranges were even more of an obstacle for migration because the air went hard to breath at lower altitudes. So there shouldn't be any inherent obstacles to our oxygen levels in basic archosaur anatomy. If course, that doesn't mean that species from dozens of millions of years later can still fully use those adaptations.
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2019-12-02, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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I occasionally do research in computer science, physics, and economics, so I'm in the archetypal holy trinity of "professions that should be annoyed by entertainment." In practice? Hollywood computer science and physics are ridiculous, but they serve the same plot function as magic, so that's not a big deal. The problem is a sizeable number of people take their financial/economic views from Hollywood, so seeing bad economics/finance makes me slightly more annoyed.
But rather than rag on bad takes, let me suggest that anyone wondering what film best represents finance watch Margin Call.
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2019-12-02, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's generally not safe to mention Star Wars or Jurassic Park around me.
The fences were oversized, not undersized. Also, the security was not flaky (at least, not the security that most people criticize, largely incorrectly). Not to beat a dead horse, but the book portrayed the security way better.Last edited by Peelee; 2019-12-02 at 05:29 PM.
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2019-12-02, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Um ... there are really two discussions here - one entirely within the framework of the movie, and one in real life. And then there's a third discussion, the 'what's a viable bioweapon' discussion. I think all three are off topic, and I propose we don't take them? But for what it's worth, I agree: Yes, cloning for military purposes, here and now, is likely irrelevant (unless we're talking organ splicing). In the movie, I'm fairly sure military applications would be very, very relevant (but the endgoal, then, likely wouldn't be to breed dinosaurs - like I said, it's a showroom). And viable bioweapons are .. tricky.
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2019-12-02, 07:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think they would be pretty easy with good cloning vat technology tbh. You just make them without digestive systems so they die after each use.
Cuttlefish skin lets them change color and texture, we have access to some really potent poisons (like poison dart frogs), echolocation so they can communicate above human hearing and they instinctively hit then run away. The size is the biggest thing; you want them very small not large or human size, and probably flying. Heck just making none-reproducing or eating wasps that inject better venoms is enough to break enemy lines.
The real issue is; why? We already have several equally and more powerful attack avenues we don't use/have banned. Making Zerg/Tyrannids/Xenomorphs as a weapon is basically pointless.
I think the larger issue is that dinosaurs wouldn't be competitive. One of the relentless trends in evolution is the replacement of big, dumb animals by smarter ones. Intelligence is usually selected for in smaller animals, then they use higher intelligence to displace bigger ones, and repeat in 10 million years. This isn't universal, but the slow replacement of dumb apex predators and herbivores by smart ones can be seen in both the oceans and on land many, many times.
Dinosaurs are dumb by modern standards, they don't protect their young as well as modern animals and don't use sophisticated pack strategies. The smartest dinosaur has a brain like an average bird, who don't compete so well on land with big cats and dogs to begin with. Imagine being a long necked sauropod and having 100% of your young get eaten because you can't protect them from rats, then birds, then big cats.
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2019-12-02, 11:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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The book does explain this a bit:
Wu knew Hammond was about to launch into one of his old speeches. He held up his hand. "I'm familiar with this, John-"
"If you were going to start a bioengineering company, Henry, what would you do? Would you make products to help mankind, to fight illness and disease? Dear me, no. That's a terrible idea. A very poor use of new technology."
Hammond shook his head sadly. "Yet, you'll remember," he said, "the original genetic engineering companies, like Genentech and Cetus, were all started to make pharmaceuticals. New drugs for mankind. Noble, noble purpose. Unfortunately, drugs face all kinds of barriers. FDA testing alone takes five to eight years-if you're lucky. Even worse, there are forces at work in the marketplace. Suppose you make a miracle drug for cancer or heart disease-as Genentech did. Suppose you now want to charge a thousand dollars or two thousand dollars a dose. You might imagine that is your privilege. After all, you invented the drug, you paid to develop and test it; you should be able to charge whatever you wish. But do you really think that the government will let you do that? No, Henry, they will not. Sick people aren't going to pay a thousand dollars a dose for needed medication-they won't be grateful, they'll be outraged. Blue Cross isn't going to pay it. They'll scream highway robbery. So something will happen. Your patent application will be denied. Your permits will be delayed. Something will force you to see reason-and to sell your drug at a lower cost. From a business standpoint, that makes helping mankind a very risky business. Personally, I would never help mankind."
Wu had heard the argument before. And he knew Hammond was right, some new bioengineered pharmaceuticals had indeed suffered inexplicable delays and patent problems.
"Now," Hammond said, "think how different it is when you're making entertainment, Nobody needs entertainment. That's not a matter for government intervention. If I charge five thousand dollars a day for my park, who is going to stop me? After all, nobody needs to come here. And, far from being highway robbery, a costly price tag actually increases the appeal of the park. A visit becomes a status symbol, and all Americans love that. So do the Japanese, and of course they have far more money."Last edited by Gnoman; 2019-12-02 at 11:27 PM.
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2019-12-03, 02:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Birds not competing in the niche of big cats has nothing to do with intelligence though. I haven't seen experiments yet where a lion figures out how to bend steel wire into a hook (Betty the New Caledonian crow), or where a lion learns to bargain for more cookies by refusing to say how many keys there are (Alex the grey parrot). I also don't see a lot of primates competing with big cats (with the one very noticable exception). The most intelligent species usually have some sort of gathering/fructivore lifestyle, where they can put their brains to the best use.
Birds are mostly not competing with lions because they have wings instead of front paws, beaks instead of teeth and hollow lightweight bones, all adaptions, one way or the other, to flight. Dinosaurs don't have those.
Which brings me to the curious case of crocodiles. Crocodiles are dumb, slow (except in super short sprints) and overall an outdated design. They're just not nearly as stupid, slow and outdated as they should be from a cursory glance. Crocodiles can learn tricks at least sort of similar to dogs. Sure, we've learned in recent years that dogs are actually pretty stupid or even mentally handicapped by wolf standards, but given the size of a crocodiles brain it's still impressive. Measurements have been performed on crocodile lungs, it seems like they're able to maintain a constant flow of air through them like birds can, even without obvious air sacs. And the hearts of crocodiles function like basal reptilian 3 chambered hearts while diving, but out of the water they function like the four chambered hearts of warm blooded animals. This all points to one conclusion: at least some of the land croc ancestors of modern crocodiles were very adapted to an active, warm blooded lifestyle, at least in the same ballpark as modern mammals.
Given that we see many of the same adaptations in birds (very high intelligence using small brains with a smooth cortex, continuous airflow through the lungs, four chambered hearts) it's not that much of a stretch to assume those are basal archosaurian traits that would have existed in pterosaurs and dinosaurs. Their biomechanical design likely wasn't as far behind ours as we would like.Last edited by Lvl 2 Expert; 2019-12-03 at 03:02 AM.
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2019-12-03, 04:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-12-03, 06:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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I love how hilariously this dates the book as a product of the late 80s.
I'd also point out some of our complaints are going to be based in how we look at the world in the soon 2020s. I liked JW's attempt at updating it, a lot of it rang true to the times we live in.
It also shows how Book Hammond's (and Evil Lawyer who apparently is a book Hammond personality characterstic) monetizing idea is doomed to ultimately fail. Nothing keeps it's allure and mystique for long to command indefinitely high price.Last edited by snowblizz; 2019-12-03 at 06:57 AM.
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2019-12-03, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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There's not as many holes in that argument as you think, but getting into pharmaceutical licensing, pricing and the patent system gets political very quickly.
That argument has also actually been used; big pharma company Bayer produces Nexavar, an anti-cancer treatment which costs $20,087 USD for a 60 day supply. India refused to grant a patent due to the ridiculous price (they actually ordered an India-based company to create a generic version for sale inside India only) and the then-Bayer CEO came out with a comic book level 'evil CEO' statement that I won't repeat.
From what I'm told, they're treated as very dangerous animals by the zoo keepers. I've had the fortune to see a pair at Bristol Zoo and I got the distinct impression that they were sizing me up.
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2019-12-03, 09:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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I was going to point out ostriches as dinosaurs that can compete with lions. Not "compete" as in "occupy the same niche" but "compete" as in "thrive in the same environment".
I recall adult dino skeletons being found in very close proximity to their nests and young, indicating some dinos did, in fact, care for their young.
And cassowaries are just frickin scary!Last edited by Lord Torath; 2019-12-03 at 11:25 AM.
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2019-12-03, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-12-03, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Tool usage isn't the only use for higher intelligence. Dolphins are pack hunters, as are lions. Being a pack hunter requires theory of mind and the ability to predict what multiple independent actors are going to do in a scenario, which takes considerable mental power.
Many animals live in groups but don't actually bother working together (Elk, crocodiles, etc.) This requires tremendously less intelligence, but is also far less effective then strategies like bison or elephants can employ for defense or lions and wolves use for offense.
Also giant killer birds died out whenever they ran into cats, because cats specialize in killing long necked animals and birds/dinosaurs are perfectly built to be killed by them.
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2019-12-03, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Which is why we widely recognize nature's most efficient self-killing machine to be the cat dinosaur. Despite not being a dinosaur and hardly being a cat!
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2019-12-04, 03:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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My vote would go for Dinofelis for that actrually. It's literally in the name.
And anyone who has stepped on a cat while stumbling along at night in the house can attest that those things still live amongst us.
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2019-12-04, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-12-04, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-12-04, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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You are thinking of the Brontosaurus, which means Thunder Lizard. Dinosaur is from Deinos, meaning terrible. They are terror lizards.
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2019-12-04, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's Brontosaurus.
Which makes me wonder how naming conventions work. Deinonychus = terrible claw, but Dinofelis = terrible cat. The change ei > i is part of how Greek words were Latinised (Greek Peisistratos > Latin Pisistratus), but it's odd that it isn't consistently applied.Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2019-12-04, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-12-04, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Brontofelis is a pretty convincing name to sneak into a list of (for instance your favorite) prehistoric creatures though. Especially funny if it's a list with links.
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2019-12-04, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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As someone who spends far far too much time dealing with customs forms for unique items, logistics of fragile valuable things by boat, truck, train, or plane (good grief I hate air shipments) etc....
There are many many times in movies (and books) where the mental interlude -"and the movie/book pauses for three days while paperwork is filled out or these guys just broke all kind of US/Russian/EU/Japanese regulations and so badly they are likely to be caught."- Kicks in and I just tell myself "pacing pacing pacing" roll my eyes and let the frustrations of my own job roll away into the aether.
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2019-12-27, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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In series 3 of Mr Robot there's a plot to hack the firware -
Spoilerof the UPSes of a storage facility, so that they belch out hydrogen from their batteries, and then generate a spark which ignites the gas and blows up the building.
Cool idea!
Except that the most basic application of the IEC and / or UL versions of the safety standard for a UPS will deal with exactly that. It used to be a problem, maybe about 30 years ago, but it's been sovled for so long that it annoyed me a little that they made it a central pokt point for this series.
Both points of failure are covered by the testing, with and without the firmware operating correctly. If a piece of hardware was hackable in that way, it would be illegal to use in a workplace.Last edited by Altair_the_Vexed; 2019-12-27 at 06:58 AM.
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2019-12-27, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's three things they could have done:
- Something they made up that would probably be nonsense
- Do some research and use an existing flaw, essentially turning the program into "How to Commit Crimes 101"
- Do some research and use an already solved problem
I can't say I'm totally surprised they went with that last one.