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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    Strongmen and lifters do talk about mind muscle connection though, where your nerves are naturally afraid to fire hard enough to fully utilize your muscles and you teach them to do so. The limiters involved come off in a crises, like carrying 7ft sharks with your nephews arm in their gut to shore by running through the ocean.
    But even athletes who master the art of pushing past the mental blocks when it matters don't have all their muscles working at full strength all the time. In fact, most of them lie completely relaxed for about 8 hours per night, and much of the remaining 16 hours is partial tension on some muscles at best. 10% is generous.

    Fun exercise/game in this regard by the way: gather a group of people and one object with a bit of weight. Give the object to the first person and let them hold it in a stretched out arm (stretched out forward, no moving) for as long as they can. Now let the next person try it, and then the next etc. Make sure people giving it a try are aware of the current record and of how long they themselves have been going. You'll see people beating the record by just a few seconds every time. That weight becomes real heavy the moment your mental goal has been accomplished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar View Post
    At the same time it is really ludicrous how everything is explosive in action movies.
    My favourite instance of that is a scene in "Where Eagles Dare" where two of the protagonists force the car they're riding in to crash. Note that somehow they survive this without injury, whereas both of the Nazis riding in the same car are killed. They then push the car over a nearby cliff and it literally explodes into flames before it's dropped ten feet!

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    My favorite example currently. True Lies
    This movie along with Last Action Hero get a pass in my book for being both straight up action comedies and parodies of the genre. Still a good example. :)

    Also the exploading limo falling off the cliff in Hudson Hawk, but that mostly due to the later twist and all the lampshade hanging at the end and the whole movie being just that fun to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar View Post
    This movie along with Last Action Hero get a pass in my book for being both straight up action comedies and parodies of the genre.
    Imean, stuff like that happening in Last Action Hero is the point of Last Action Hero. Also, that was the first Shane Black movie I fell in love with before I knew who Shane Black was.
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    My annoyance is when scientists/experts act in a stupid manner even within the logic of the show.

    Cases in point:

    The Meg - So we suspect that what most people think is the bottom of the ocean in this spot is actually a layer of hydrogen sulfide, and that there's more below it. How do we find out if we are right?

    A: We get our deep sea vehicle (building one if needed), put it on a ship, and send it down to the spot to then see.

    B: We build a 1.3 BILLION dollar facility so we can launch our vehicle from it to see. Note that by admission, if the bottom is actually solid there then we've wasted 1.3 billion.

    Which method do you think they take?



    Stargate SG-1 - We have an Alpha site which is where we retreat if things go bad on earth. But how often have things gone bad because of things you brought through the Stargate? Sheer logic says they should have the following:

    Alpha site: The main base for the SGC. This is where all missions launch from, etc. Everyone spends 24/48 hours in closed quarantine on the site after ANY mission to a new planet, and can only return to earth after a week has lapsed from their last mission to a new planet.

    Beta Site: Place you retreat to if Alpha site is compromised.

    Omega site: Site where you evacuate to if you've written off the earth.


    Alien Covenant - Here's this new planet that MIGHT be more suited for colonization. Let's walk around breathing new flowers/plants etc. up close (by holding our noses to them) and not wear bio-hazzard suits. Because obviously there's no danger of anything being harmful.



    Lost in Space - Same as Alien Covenant. The fact that a suit breach doesn't kill someone in 30 seconds DOESN'T mean it isn't going to kill them in a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomandtish View Post
    My annoyance is when scientists/experts act in a stupid manner even within the logic of the show.

    Cases in point:

    The Meg - So we suspect that what most people think is the bottom of the ocean in this spot is actually a layer of hydrogen sulfide, and that there's more below it. How do we find out if we are right?

    A: We get our deep sea vehicle (building one if needed), put it on a ship, and send it down to the spot to then see.

    B: We build a 1.3 BILLION dollar facility so we can launch our vehicle from it to see. Note that by admission, if the bottom is actually solid there then we've wasted 1.3 billion.

    Which method do you think they take?
    Secret option C. Where we say B, do A, and pocket the difference. Sheesh, it's like you never done practical research.

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    That's exactly when they discovered it, once CAT scans existed (roughly the 1980s). The brains were there, but up to 90% of was completely inactive.
    That's totally bogus. We use 100% of our brains. Just not at the same time. What CAT scans(*) show us is eg how different parts of the brain are active during different tasks. But it will also show that for many things half the brain (or more, or less) can be active at the same time. That's more than 10% right off the bat there no matter how you try and twist it.

    (*) maybe, or some other scanners that do that, I just like CAT scans, because cats

    Quote Originally Posted by Radar View Post
    A shame really, since other types of explosions can look really cool. The thing is, fireballs are most likely easier to arrange safely then an honest detonation, since you can make them with virtually no shockwave. At the same time it is really ludicrous how everything is explosive in action movies.
    I'd be more inclined towards "regular explosions don't look very interesting on a movie screen". Sure, if you run in slo-mo the visible shockwave is quite fascinating as Mythbusters have taught us, but action movies can't really do that. When Mythbusters blew apart the cement truck e.g. it's milliseconds work and a sharp bang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowblizz View Post
    I'd be more inclined towards "regular explosions don't look very interesting on a movie screen". Sure, if you run in slo-mo the visible shockwave is quite fascinating as Mythbusters have taught us, but action movies can't really do that. When Mythbusters blew apart the cement truck e.g. it's milliseconds work and a sharp bang.
    Mac and Charlie were similarly disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowblizz View Post
    Comedian Dara O'Brien did a set on the movie "2012" that I didn't even twig the first few time I've happened to watch the movie. It just so happens I saw the his show on tv and then couple days later the movie was on so it stuck.

    His sticking point was the plot-hook at the start, never again brought up or acknowledged, where the "neutrinos are mutating" and heating up the world causing the apocalypse. And completely inexplicably the Mayans got it right (they even mention it in the movie, and this time I was thinking, "no the Mayans got lucky").

    Sometimes it's entertainers being annoyed by the science being wrong.
    My problem with 2012 is at the beginning, during the boxing match. Boxers can't punch each other in the back of the head. Also, I would have expected the characters to be either deafened by the explosion of the volcano, or killed by the pyroclastic flow. But 2012 is objectively not expected to respect rules.

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    (Also, the "guns click whenever they move" trope).
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    Strongmen and lifters do talk about mind muscle connection though, where your nerves are naturally afraid to fire hard enough to fully utilize your muscles and you teach them to do so. The limiters involved come off in a crises, like carrying 7ft sharks with your nephews arm in their gut to shore by running through the ocean.
    Or stretching. Apparently, a large part of it is convincing your brain that you really can make those movements without damaging yourself.

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    Alien Covenant - Here's this new planet that MIGHT be more suited for colonization. Let's walk around breathing new flowers/plants etc. up close (by holding our noses to them) and not wear bio-hazzard suits. Because obviously there's no danger of anything being harmful.
    That one was crazy. I actually like all of the Alien films (although I think that the first one was in a different class altogether), but that element meant absolute incompetence by the whole crew. What saves the movie is that the characters actually pay for it. Something similar happened in The Lost World (although I think it's a way worse film).
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    Unfortunately, it's just the strap for his glasses. On the other hand, it appears the barber on the Theodore Roosevelt only knew one haircut style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomandtish View Post
    My annoyance is when scientists/experts act in a stupid manner even within the logic of the show.

    Cases in point:

    The Meg - So we suspect that what most people think is the bottom of the ocean in this spot is actually a layer of hydrogen sulfide, and that there's more below it. How do we find out if we are right?

    A: We get our deep sea vehicle (building one if needed), put it on a ship, and send it down to the spot to then see.

    B: We build a 1.3 BILLION dollar facility so we can launch our vehicle from it to see. Note that by admission, if the bottom is actually solid there then we've wasted 1.3 billion.

    Which method do you think they take?
    Well, that depends. Is it a government contract? Because a) sometimes you've got 1.3 billion in your budget that's getting "lost" (to you, anyway) if you don't spend it, and b) maybe the contractors you're paying those 1.3 billion to are your buddies and/or have invested a small portion of that cash in campaign financing to make sure they get just that sort of contract. And, along the lines of what snowblizz said, appropriating 1.3 billion doesn't necessarily mean spending 1.3 billion. Hey, it happens.

    Speaking of which, as a government worker, the only thing that really strains my suspension of disbelief from a professional standpoint is when the government does thing too fast or too competently. Then again, it doesn't really bother me, I just get a laugh out of imagining the hoops you'd have to jump through to do it in real life

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKazum View Post

    Speaking of which, as a government worker, the only thing that really strains my suspension of disbelief from a professional standpoint is when the government does thing too fast or too competently. Then again, it doesn't really bother me, I just get a laugh out of imagining the hoops you'd have to jump through to do it in real life
    My favourite bit in Hot Fuzz was when they had to fill out huge amounts of paperwork after the ludicrous shootout they had. Clearly not in real time, but I just liked the nod to when Angel was talking about how much paperwork the cop's in action movies would have to deal with
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    Oh, gods, Joining the Naval Medical Corps was the WORST thing I ever did when it came to enjoying media.

    "No, no... why..? Why are you giving a patient with a sucking chest wound CPR!? My god, you are just filling his lungs with Blood!"

    "House, go home, your high on painkillers. No, Doctor, that isn't a thing, stop making stuff up."

    "Whadda mean 'He's Gone'? He's hasn't even lost a liter of blood!"

    "Kirito, that guy is gonna die if you don't give him the gorrahm Potion, I don't care if he's refusing, just pour it down his mouth and plug his nose!"

    "I thought you were a super spy or something? That's not how you give an IM injection."

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    Though I have to give a shout out to things that are so obvious even I noticed. I'm convinced that my computer is run by micro gnomes flicking the appropriate lights on and off because I don't understand computer science at all, but I know two people using one keyboard isn't going to counter hack someone.

    Although, that may be a case of "You're not even wrong" for all I know about hackers and do-das and circuitry Witchcraft.

    Those poor gnomes.

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    Oh, and Alix (? I think that's her name) being able to reboot a system because she recognizes the Operating Software. I'm Pretty sure young teens aren't going to out do software engineers who shut down power grids of Dinosaur theme parks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of A Lich! View Post
    "Kirito, that guy is gonna die if you don't give him the gorrahm Potion, I don't care if he's refusing, just pour it down his mouth and plug his nose!"
    Isn't forcing medical care despite the patient refusing kind of a big no-no?
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    "I thought you were a super spy or something? That's not how you give an IM injection."
    Why would a super spy know how to give IM injections? They should be the ones getting it wrong!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Isn't forcing medical care despite the patient refusing kind of a big no-no?
    Depends on whether the patient is capable of giving informed consent at the time.

    If he's screaming 'MY LEGS! MY LEGS' after they've been explosively amputated by an IED, you're not going to stop and ask his permission to apply a tourniquet to stop the bleeding.
    Similarly, if they've been sectioned under the Mental Health Act in the UK, they've been deemed to be legally unable to give informed consent.
    Minors also can't give consent.

    It also only applies to medical professionals - I'm guessing Kirito in this case, means the protagonist of the Sword Art Online series, so there's a whole host of mitigating circumstances (being trapped in a video game and using an universally known magic cure-all that heals with no side-effects is a big one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Why would a super spy know how to give IM injections? They should be the ones getting it wrong!
    In addition, assuming he's talking about the scene in "Casino Royale" where Bond is trying to inject himself with the antidote to the poison he's been given, he was, well, kind of in the middle of dying at the time and I suspect his thought processes may not have been the clearest!

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    "Whadda mean 'He's Gone'? He's hasn't even lost a liter of blood!"
    That one sounds like the line of an oddly competent bad guy.

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    Unfortunately, it's just the strap for his glasses. On the other hand, it appears the barber on the Theodore Roosevelt only knew one haircut style.
    And he would apply it mercilessly, balding head or not. Although you can tell he was a nice person deep down, because he would let you personalise with the optional Hitler moustache!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of A Lich! View Post
    Though I have to give a shout out to things that are so obvious even I noticed. I'm convinced that my computer is run by micro gnomes flicking the appropriate lights on and off because I don't understand computer science at all, but I know two people using one keyboard isn't going to counter hack someone.
    Well, obviously that doesn't work. Unless, of course, you're also wearing sunglasses and black trenchcoats.
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    That poor enter key though.
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    In case anybody is curious, the correct way to stop somebody from hacking you is to unplug the cable connecting you to the internet. Its super boring, but the only way to get around it is to physically pack up your system, break into wherever the computer is stored, and try and manually connect from there. Having a second person typing commands on one keyboard would only slow you down in whatever it is youre trying to do, because now you have to constantly delete whatever crap they've been trying to type to get your command going.
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    It's super illegal to give medical treatments to someone when you are not trained in medicine and they are not giving consent.

    When it comes to life saving first aid, it's best practice to worry about the legality when they can take you to court afterward. Would you rather face a judge after letting someone die, or stopping someone from bleeding out and they didn't want you to put their hands on them?

    In SAO's case specifically, Kirito did know the quantitative quality of a health bar and offers the raid leader a healing potion, which he refuses and says "It's better this way". If he wanted to take me to court for giving him a healing potion when we got out of the game, fine, I was doomed to that fate either way, watching someone die when you have a healing potion in hand and you know that it WILL save their life is likely just as illegal (Though, I'm not sure about Japanese bystander laws or how they work in conjunction with an unintentional death game).

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    If you can train an 18 year old kid ambulatory medicine, including IV injections and IM injections, I imagine a Super Spy would know you inject IMs in a shoulder, thigh or buttocks. This seems like a pretty popular trope, where an injection is labeled as an IM or kept in a IM syringe, and the spy injects it into the neck or the inner elbow because that's what we, the audience, expect.

    I was referring to... I think it was a Jason Bourne Film but I'm not sure which one, where he gives an injection to the neck with an IM syringe to a bad guy as a non-lethal take down (By the way, anesthesiologist get paid big bucks to not kill people in horrible manners by having obsessively gone over the absurdly complicated math to put someone in a 'knocked out' state - not something you want to do on the fly in the middle of a mission). I suppose it could have been an Inter venous drug and that was the only syringe he had available. but this also applies to anyone having an allergic reaction and the go to response is an epi-pen in the arm or neck.

    Just... just no. that's not how that works.
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    By the way, in Bioshock injections are made with a syringe in the inner lower arm-wrist. That always seemed extremely icky to me. Do such injections exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of A Lich! View Post
    It's super illegal to give medical treatments to someone when you are not trained in medicine and they are not giving consent.

    When it comes to life saving first aid, it's best practice to worry about the legality when they can take you to court afterward. Would you rather face a judge after letting someone die, or stopping someone from bleeding out and they didn't want you to put their hands on them?

    In SAO's case specifically, Kirito did know the quantitative quality of a health bar and offers the raid leader a healing potion, which he refuses and says "It's better this way". If he wanted to take me to court for giving him a healing potion when we got out of the game, fine, I was doomed to that fate either way, watching someone die when you have a healing potion in hand and you know that it WILL save their life is likely just as illegal (Though, I'm not sure about Japanese bystander laws or how they work in conjunction with an unintentional death game).

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    If you can train an 18 year old kid ambulatory medicine, including IV injections and IM injections, I imagine a Super Spy would know you inject IMs in a shoulder, thigh or buttocks. This seems like a pretty popular trope, where an injection is labeled as an IM or kept in a IM syringe, and the spy injects it into the neck or the inner elbow because that's what we, the audience, expect.

    I was referring to... I think it was a Jason Bourne Film but I'm not sure which one, where he gives an injection to the neck with an IM syringe to a bad guy as a non-lethal take down (By the way, anesthesiologist get paid big bucks to not kill people in horrible manners by having obsessively gone over the absurdly complicated math to put someone in a 'knocked out' state - not something you want to do on the fly in the middle of a mission). I suppose it could have been an Inter venous drug and that was the only syringe he had available. but this also applies to anyone having an allergic reaction and the go to response is an epi-pen in the arm or neck.

    Just... just no. that's not how that works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    By the way, in Bioshock injections are made with a syringe in the inner lower arm-wrist. That always seemed extremely icky to me. Do such injections exist?
    Not much meat, tiny blood vessels, a location that is pretty pain sensitive, and a fair chance of scraping a bone. Sounds like a pretty terrible injection site to me. I would guess it was done because that's the part of the character that is already in view and animated for most of a first-person game, so having it done there means they don't have to move the camera or model/animate a different chunk of the character to show it being done in a more sensible location. Could have gameplay/flow concerns justifying it if that injection is a common action, such as that being how health and energy restoring items are used.

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    I mean, having a degree in Biochemistry really makes you disappointed in the research that goes into media "science". People fumbling glass jars of laboratory-grade hydrogen peroxide and catching them from twenty-foot falls with no ill effects, depictions of how people react to certain toxins, the short amount of time it takes people to die in CSI shows from strangulation, people walking around pits of noxious chemicals that should put them out in seconds just from inhaling the vapors, and such all bother me to some extent. I understand cinema isn't meant to be realistic, but it's still bothersome as a scientist to see those sorts of things being misrepresented, even if they are more theatric that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyckspoon View Post
    Not much meat, tiny blood vessels, a location that is pretty pain sensitive, and a fair chance of scraping a bone. Sounds like a pretty terrible injection site to me. I would guess it was done because that's the part of the character that is already in view and animated for most of a first-person game, so having it done there means they don't have to move the camera or model/animate a different chunk of the character to show it being done in a more sensible location. Could have gameplay/flow concerns justifying it if that injection is a common action, such as that being how health and energy restoring items are used.
    The back of the hand is a preferred injection site for IV (Intravenous drugs) for the simple fact that we prefer not to guck up the veins closer to the heart. Start with the furthest extremitiy and move in closer if the site is problematic in some way. you'll see this in hospitals especially with in-patients. The wrist is pretty problematic for the sheer mobility it provides which allows veins and muscles to move more then hinge joints like the elbow. I mean, when you look at how the wrist can move, it has radial movement, numerous ball joints in the carpels, fingers and the thumb which are anchored in carpels and meta carpels, all of which could twitch incidentally or intentionally and just makes a whole mess of moving parts to be mindful of.

    But it also looks painful to have a big ol' IM needle inject into the fairly frail wrist frequently. That would be my guess.
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    Oh, and Alix (? I think that's her name) being able to reboot a system because she recognizes the Operating Software. I'm Pretty sure young teens aren't going to out do software engineers who shut down power grids of Dinosaur theme parks.
    Truth in fiction really. Yes, being able to be familiar with a (Unix) system so you have some idea of how and where you could operate it or its commands can matter greatly. The most unrealisitc thing there was that godawful slow GUI they had.

    Also, Alex isn't doing anything a software engineer couldn't have done, and much better, since the 2 on the island were operators of said system. The problem, however, was that they both had come down with rather severe cases of dinochompyitis. Shedoesn't do anything a random person could not have done. She is probably a bit faster than rando woulda been, and surprise, that woulda been just enough to let a Raptor in. Not to mention she's the only one not holding said Raptors out.

    My mother couldn't figure out how to shut down Windows 95 the first time either. "What do you meant open the Start menu, I want to close it down!"

    And I constantly have trouble operating Macs because nothing is where it should be and it has a stupid extra button that's not optional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowblizz View Post
    Truth in fiction really. Yes, being able to be familiar with a (Unix) system so you have some idea of how and where you could operate it or its commands can matter greatly. The most unrealisitc thing there was that godawful slow GUI they had.

    Also, Alex isn't doing anything a software engineer couldn't have done, and much better, since the 2 on the island were operators of said system. The problem, however, was that they both had come down with rather severe cases of dinochompyitis. Shedoesn't do anything a random person could not have done. She is probably a bit faster than rando woulda been, and surprise, that woulda been just enough to let a Raptor in. Not to mention she's the only one not holding said Raptors out.

    My mother couldn't figure out how to shut down Windows 95 the first time either. "What do you meant open the Start menu, I want to close it down!"

    And I constantly have trouble operating Macs because nothing is where it should be and it has a stupid extra button that's not optional.
    Not only that, they explicitly say that the system is specifically designed to run on tiny skeleton crew, if needed. The entire Nedry subplot was due to that. "You think that kind of automation is easy? Or cheap?" Lex was able to reboot the system because it was supposed to be that easy.
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    Also, this was the early nineties, and she had access to and an interest in a machine running on a similar OS. It may not make her good at it, but it sure makes her better than 95% of the population. Also it would have been less believable if the tiny teenager had been holding the door and the guy who can't handle seatbelts (slight exaggeration) had been handling the computerized locks. So I'll let it pass. (Apart from the ridiculous 3D interface of course.)
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    (Apart from the ridiculous 3D interface of course.)
    That was also a real thing, btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn_(file_manager)
    And since under Unix everything is a file(tm) using such a thing as a general OS ui almost makes sense :)

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    Plus, even if it wasn't it wouldn't exactly be the first time some corporations custom control software was hot garbage.
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