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    Whose rich? Because as a member of an affluent society I count as rich to a lot of people and I would prefer not to be dined.
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    Whose rich? Because as a member of an affluent society I count as rich to a lot of people and I would prefer not to be dined.
    I can basically garuntee that if you have to ask the question of "do I count as rich" then you're not.

    After a certain point that much money makes you unable to self reflect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    Yeah, that one is horrifically misreported. As I remember it was at near 150 Centigrade, when it's supposed to be closer to 80 by the time you get it (and closer to 40 or 60 by the time you're actually drinking it).
    That's not actually possible? Coffee is mostly water, and water at 150C is steam, not anything that sits in a cup waiting to be drunk. The hottest it could have been is 100C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    That's not actually possible? Coffee is mostly water, and water at 150C is steam, not anything that sits in a cup waiting to be drunk. The hottest it could have been is 100C.
    American's. They mean 180 Fahrenheit, not Celsius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    American's. They mean 180 Fahrenheit, not Celsius.
    Yeah, I was mixing up units in my head. It was 180 degrees Rankine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    That's not actually possible? Coffee is mostly water, and water at 150C is steam, not anything that sits in a cup waiting to be drunk. The hottest it could have been is 100C.
    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    American's. They mean 180 Fahrenheit, not Celsius.
    It was apparently around 190F (around 87 to 88C).

    Also, Zodi, apostrophe S denotes ownership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    It was apparently around 190F (around 87 to 88C).

    Also, Zodi, apostrophe S denotes ownership.
    Yeah and American's own that misunderstanding due to their inability to use a real measurement system

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    I can basically garuntee that if you have to ask the question of "do I count as rich" then you're not.

    After a certain point that much money makes you unable to self reflect.
    I'm fairly certain rich people never think of themselves as rich. The need for more dominates lives.

    "Poor man wants to be rich, rich man wants to be king, and a king ain't sarisfied until be rules everything."

    Any time we talk about the rich I get a little antsy, because wealth is relative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Anyway, gonna refocus on something positive again: Today's been a good day of work so far. How's all you doing?
    Could be better. My first class was cancelled while I was on my way bussing in, so... fun. I guess I have more time to work on homework? Would be nice if I could do that in my home, rather than 3 hours on uncomfortable uni chairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    Also, Zodi, apostrophe S denotes ownership.
    To be fair, Americans do tend to claim ownership of Fahrenheit degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    It was apparently around 190F (around 87 to 88C).

    Also, Zodi, apostrophe S denotes ownership.
    Y'all tend to own the Fahrenheit pretty well.

    My day's not too bad. Going to hopefully get some progress on my research thesis in the next week or so, which is nice, in yerms of defining work scope. I've taken waaaaaay to damn long to get to this point.

    In my defense, between coursework beating me bloody mentally, and trying to build something that maintains good organisation for future use, I ended up taking more time than just rough "results".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Yeah and American's own that misunderstanding due to their inability to use a real measurement system
    You're mockery doesnt change you're poor use of english.

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    To be fair, Americans do tend to claim ownership of Fahrenheit degrees.
    Americans do tend to take great things other people abandon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Yeah and American's own that misunderstanding due to their inability to use a real measurement system
    In all seriousness, this is the cause. I remembered 'nearly 200 degrees' and immediately assumed it was centigrade because that's the only system of degrees I use in everyday life (somewhat interchangably with Kelvins, because I sometimes like to make a point). I still get annoyed when people here continually talk about going back to 'real units', they've clearly never had to design a system using the chaos that is feet, yards, inches, pounds, ounces, stone, hands, cubits, and monarch's feet we used before we picked up the SI system (speaking of which, we need to replace every road sign in the country with one that uses kilometres).

    EDIT: degrees fahrenheit is a terrible system, it's definition is based on rather arbitary points that are pretty much random. Compare to Celcius/Centrigrade which uses the boiling and solidifying point of a substance vitally important to human society, and Kelvin which is the same system shifted to put 0 at the theortetical minimum energy value possible in the universe. I'll agree it's not that much difference from 'lowest tempreature I can create' but at least it's easier to refind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DataNinja View Post
    Could be better. My first class was cancelled while I was on my way bussing in, so... fun. I guess I have more time to work on homework? Would be nice if I could do that in my home, rather than 3 hours on uncomfortable uni chairs.

    To be fair, Americans do tend to claim ownership of Fahrenheit degrees.
    Oof, that sounds horrible. *sends hugs*

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    You're mockery doesnt change you're poor use of english.



    Americans do tend to take great things other people abandon.
    Nothing is great about a system that doesn't have zero as "this is when it starts getting cold". And sush I'm at work. I don't always have enough time to correct my words before posting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DataNinja View Post
    Could be better. My first class was cancelled while I was on my way bussing in, so... fun. I guess I have more time to work on homework? Would be nice if I could do that in my home, rather than 3 hours on uncomfortable uni chairs.



    To be fair, Americans do tend to claim ownership of Fahrenheit degrees.
    I'll take this ninja-ing as "great minds think alike" rather than "simultaneous swinging at low hanging fruit".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Nothing is great about a system that doesn't have zero as "this is when it starts getting cold". And sush I'm at work. I don't always have enough time to correct my words before posting them.
    Zodi, temperature is a gradient and hot vs cold is subjective AF. There is no singular point that says "this is when it starts getting cold", not even in Celsius, even ignoring concepts like humidity. Cold where I am starts *long* before you hit 0C.

    Feel free to mock Fahrenheit but do it with something that's not complete nonsense

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    I'll take this ninja-ing as "great minds think alike" rather than "simultaneous swinging at low hanging fruit".
    Her name is DataNinja, what did you think was gonna happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mith View Post
    I'll take this ninja-ing as "great minds think alike" rather than "simultaneous swinging at low hanging fruit".
    Probably a little of column A, little of column B.

    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    Zodi, temperature is a gradient and hot vs cold is subjective AF. There is no singular point that says "this is when it starts getting cold", not even in Celsius, even ignoring concepts like humidity. Cold where I am starts *long* before you hit 0C.
    Yeah, what I think of as cold, what you think of as cold, and what Zodi thinks of as cold are probably three very different things. Guarantee it. At the very least for me.

    Her name is DataNinja, what did you think was gonna happen?
    Me being at the tail end of things because I'm bad at my job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    Zodi, temperature is a gradient and hot vs cold is subjective AF. There is no singular point that says "this is when it starts getting cold", not even in Celsius, even ignoring concepts like humidity. Cold where I am starts *long* before you hit 0C.

    Feel free to mock Fahrenheit but do it with something that's not complete nonsense

    Her name is DataNinja, what did you think was gonna happen?
    Water starts to freeze past zero degrees. Ergo, cold. Checkomato

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    How's all you doing?
    I’ve got a bad cold and I have several presentations and exams this week. Also I lost a hour-and-a-half worth of work because I got confused about the saving procedures. I feel like I’m having poor luck in love, the weather is all gloomy and I’ve learned that my best friend’s mother’s cancer killed her this summer (She was a nice woman, I’ll miss her).

    All in all, I’ve been better but I’ve been worse. Life goes on I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DataNinja View Post
    Yeah, what I think of as cold, what you think of as cold, and what Zodi thinks of as cold are probably three very different things. Guarantee it. At the very least for me.
    Yup.

    Me being at the tail end of things because I'm bad at my job?
    We're ALL bad at our jobs, Data!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Water starts to freeze past zero degrees. Ergo, cold. Checkomato
    Water freezing =/= cold. You live in a part of your country where freezing is still warm. I live in a part of my country where "cold" is anything below 15C, "warm" does not begin until past the 26C degree mark and "unbearably hot" isn't hit until long past 30.

    And that's just me. Don't even get me started on how others' opinions on temperature change by the minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    Yup.



    We're ALL bad at our jobs, Data!!!

    Water freezing =/= cold. You live in a part of your country where freezing is still warm. I live in a part of my country where "cold" is anything below 15C, "warm" does not begin until past the 26C degree mark and "unbearably hot" isn't hit until long past 30.

    And that's just me. Don't even get me started on how others' opinions on temperature change by the minute.
    I mean those are all subjective views on temperature, but it's a fact that water freezes past zero, and I'd argue that is the first tier of Cold. Water is one of the most basic elements of existence, using it as an objective measure of temperature seems valid to me.

    You'll be happy to know that before fixing it, I spelt neither version of temperature I said back there correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    I mean those are all subjective views on temperature, but it's a fact that water freezes past zero, and I'd argue that is the first tier of Cold. Water is one of the most basic elements of existence, using it as an objective measure of temperature seems valid to me.
    This bit right here is entirely subjective but you are using it as if it is an objective statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    This bit right here is entirely subjective but you are using it as if it is an objective statement.
    I am presenting it as an objective tier of cold, outside of my own personal beliefs. Water freezes past zero, I believe (ignoring everything else) that this is when it starts to be cold, from a mathematical point of view. It's when atoms in things start to slow down due to lack of heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    EDIT: degrees fahrenheit is a terrible system, it's definition is based on rather arbitary points that are pretty much random. Compare to Celcius/Centrigrade which uses the boiling and solidifying point of a substance vitally important to human society, and Kelvin which is the same system shifted to put 0 at the theortetical minimum energy value possible in the universe. I'll agree it's not that much difference from 'lowest tempreature I can create' but at least it's easier to refind.
    They are not random...totally. They are actually based off the same boiling and solidifying points as Centigrade. It was a ball stuck in water bath with a rod attached. As the water/ball warmed up it would expand the rod (originally made of copper IIRC) and move an attached roller that was fixed axially relative to the rod-and would thus rotate as the rod moved. The set up was an ice bath and boiling were produce a reading that was 180 degrees apart- opposite directions. But things got messed up when he tried for colder substances than normal ice...and here is the stupid part...instead of adjusting for negative angles based on the contraction of the rod he re-set zero to be the coldest thing he could find...salt ice which froze 32 degrees colder than pure ice. The whole 9/5th thing is exact for that reason.
    So it made some sense at the time...not fully but some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    It's when atoms in things start to slow down due to lack of heat.
    It’s not though. A lot of things have a freezing point well above zero degree Celsius. Rocks for example.

    There’s no temperature at which atoms start to slow down due to lack of heat, anyway, since temperature means ‘how fast atoms are moving right now’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    It’s not though. A lot of things have a freezing point well above zero degree Celsius. Rocks for example.

    There’s no temperature at which atoms start to slow down due to lack of heat, anyway, since temperature means ‘how fast atoms are moving right now’.
    Yeah I mixed myself up there, my apologies.

    I still think my point stands that, from a mathematical standpoint, below zero is when it starts to get Cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    I am presenting it as an objective tier of cold, outside of my own personal beliefs. Water freezes past zero, I believe (ignoring everything else) that this is when it starts to be cold, from a mathematical point of view. It's when atoms in things start to slow down due to lack of heat.
    Except that's not what happens. Objects vibrate at certain frequencies based on how much energy they contain, which we interpret as heat. More energy means it vibrates faster and thus feels warmer. From a mathematical/scientific point of view, there's no such thing as cold. There's warmth, and there's a lack of it. Cold is an entirely subjective thing that humans experience when we encounter something of a much lower level of energy than ourselves because the energy in our bodies/skin leaves us and goes into whatever feels "cold".

    Also "this is cold" is a lot faster and simpler to both think and say than "this has less energy in it than I do"

    Now I could be very very wrong on all of that (it's been a while since I took a physics course) but I am pretty damn sure that "cold" is not an objective thing by any measure.

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    Yeah I mixed myself up there, my apologies.

    I still think my point stands that, from a mathematical standpoint, below zero is when it starts to get Cold.
    No it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Yeah I mixed myself up there, my apologies.

    I still think my point stands that, from a mathematical standpoint, below zero is when it starts to get Cold.
    Mathematics do not care about cold or warmth. You’re thinking of physics. And physics don’t know anything about cold or warm, just colder than and warmer than. When someone says ‘it’s cold’ they (usually) mean ‘it’s colder than what I’m confortable with’. That’s it.
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    Eh, that's fair.

    I still think it's worth, for arguments sake, to establish a sort of "this is what cold is" standard, since it could definitely be useful for some things. A lot of airplanes that get brought up here tend to get ****ed up because no one thinks to prepare them for our level of cold, because no one has a good frame of reference for what is or isn't Cold, beyond personal opinion.

    Except for like, Absolute Zero. I think we can all agree that's Cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Mathematics do not care about cold or warmth. You’re thinking of physics. And physics don’t know anything about cold or warm, just colder than and warmer than. When someone says ‘it’s cold’ they (usually) mean ‘it’s colder than what I’m confortable with’. That’s it.
    Anything under 60 degrees is cool. That is when humans start being uncomfortable naked due to temperature.

    Anything under 30 degrees is cold, which is when one layer of clothes stops being comfortable.

    Anything under 0 degrees is very cold, when two layers stops being comfortable.

    Anything over 90 is hot, when 0 layers stops being comfortable.

    Temperature is only complicated if we want the sun's perspective, but since he is a jerk who will give me cancer I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post

    Temperature is only complicated if we want the sun's perspective, but since he is a jerk who will give me cancer I don't.
    Yeah **** the sun. Eat **** Sol what've you done for me?

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