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    What if the Amusment Park rid took these characters:
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    To the Forgotten Realms instead? What would happen?
    This is an idea I got for either a live action movie or tv series based on these characters. So what would you think would really happen if we threw them into the Forgotten Realms. Replace the characters Venger or Dungeon Master with something more suitable for this setting. What about Elminster? Which bad guy would make a suitable replacement for Venger? What magic items should be given to them to give them a fighting chance given the situations they are likely to face? What would you do?

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    Any adaptation of the old cartoon would have to consist of at least some grounding in 5e mostly. That way it serves as the advertisement for Wizards. In that however here is a thought:

    Mostly the kids would stay the same as there is a diverse range of representation but convert their respected classes to 5e equivalents. For instance, Diana would be a monk while the kid who was the cavalier becomes a fighter for instance. They are greeted by a figure identifing themselves as "dungeon master" but instead is the overgod Ao who from older lore was the maker of the forgotten realms. He has brought the kids over as heroes for some event they could stop (spell plague event comes to mind). Though their journey to return home will require them to find some macguffen scattered all through out the land.

    To start the season they are brought to watersdeep to essentially play out dragon's heist. From the various other modules you can have them explore the various regions. An example would be the tomb of Annihilation to explore chult for instance. Additional plot lines added as desired.

    Make the main villains per season but there is opportunity for some rivals. As an example the thief girl has a rival or makes enemies with zhentarim.

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    How about they find themselves waking up on the beach near Neverwinter and have run through those campaigns to figure out what's going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanVoodoo View Post
    Any adaptation of the old cartoon would have to consist of at least some grounding in 5e mostly. That way it serves as the advertisement for Wizards. In that however here is a thought:

    Mostly the kids would stay the same as there is a diverse range of representation but convert their respected classes to 5e equivalents. For instance, Diana would be a monk while the kid who was the cavalier becomes a fighter for instance. They are greeted by a figure identifing themselves as "dungeon master" but instead is the overgod Ao who from older lore was the maker of the forgotten realms. He has brought the kids over as heroes for some event they could stop (spell plague event comes to mind). Though their journey to return home will require them to find some macguffen scattered all through out the land.

    To start the season they are brought to watersdeep to essentially play out dragon's heist. From the various other modules you can have them explore the various regions. An example would be the tomb of Annihilation to explore chult for instance. Additional plot lines added as desired.

    Make the main villains per season but there is opportunity for some rivals. As an example the thief girl has a rival or makes enemies with zhentarim.
    Dungeonmaster looks like a gnome actually, they could make him a gnomish wizard,

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    Gnome Wild Magic Sorceror would be more appropriate!

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    Gnome Wild Magic Sorceror would be more appropriate!
    That or they could just use Elminster. "Dungeonmaster" in the cartoon is not really a Dungeonmaster, I think Ao would be too powerful, maybe a lesser god or goddess with an agenda brings the kids into Toril. Pick a god that seems appropriate. Maybe Mystra perhaps. Maybe Elminster, maybe some other chosen one.

    One party character that is missing from the group is a cleric. The kids never needed a cleric, because none of them ever got injured, and of course a cleric might draw some controversy, but still in a realistic situation you need a healer, and the Forgotten Realms has gods. You can't please everyone, you just have to accept that some will be offended and move on, that's all!

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    If we're keeping to the same premise of the show, that a bunch of kids from our world are transported to the fantasy world, why would any of them choose to be a cleric? Why would they choose to dedicate their lives to serving a god they had likely never heard of before arriving in that world? Plus, as you said, nobody ever got hurt in the original show. What would a cleric even do?

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    If they need healing, just have them befriend a baby unicorn like they did in the original, and let Uni^2's horn cast cure spells.
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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    I'm afraid to mention this but maybe one of the kids is so bible focused or religious that they become a cleric on arrival, or druid...

    Climate Change Activists is a thing at the moment.

    Apologies for bringing that up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanVoodoo View Post
    Any adaptation of the old cartoon would have to consist of at least some grounding in 5e mostly. That way it serves as the advertisement for Wizards.
    We already have their 3.5e stats though, including all their feats, gear, and even their signature items. Not saying you couldn't convert all that to 5e (and somebody surely has), but the work has already been officially done from a 3e standpoint. So declaring 5e to be a foregone conclusion feels premature.

    As for a Venger replacement, some scenery-chewing Xanatos villain like Manshoon would likely figure out a scheme to slot them into pretty quickly once they got noticed - but why not just have Venger show up there too? His motivations are pretty easy to drop into FR - he hates Tiamat and the kids in equal measure, and knows of some way (a ritual?) to use their items that will allow him to defeat Tiamat, possibly taking her power. He (and they for that matter) could have ultimately arrived in Faerun the same way she did, via the Untheric pantheon, and he could nominally join up with the Zhentarim since Bane hates her while secretly seeking to take them over once he finally has Tiamat's power. Dungeon Master could get the Harpers on the kids' side to cancel out the Zhentarim, and the story then just focuses on the kids and Uni thwarting Venger like they always do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JadedDM View Post
    If we're keeping to the same premise of the show, that a bunch of kids from our world are transported to the fantasy world, why would any of them choose to be a cleric? Why would they choose to dedicate their lives to serving a god they had likely never heard of before arriving in that world? Plus, as you said, nobody ever got hurt in the original show. What would a cleric even do?
    A character could be given a Forgotten Realms version of the staff of Mishakal like Goldmoon got in Dragonlance.
    Pick a god or goddess from the Forgotten Realms pantheon, that deity is responsible for bringing these kids to the Realms, the god has to follow the rules established for him or her by Ao, and so the god picks champions to fight for her cause. The god really doesn't want to do it this way, but has no choice.

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    Rather than just adapting, I feel like this should also introduce some new elements to the Forgotten Realms.

    For example, the Dungeon Masters. One idea the show seemed to hint at was that “Dungeon Master” was less a name than a title. There was that one episode where Eric (cavalier) was given his job and robes, to say nothing of the written-but-never-produces ending where it was revealed that Venger was Dungeon Master’s son who was corrupted. Maybe this could be a secret faction whose job is to bring in “outsiders” every once in a while to solve problems?

    It would also be nice to dive into how morally gray, if not outright sinister, that concept is. On at least two occasions the show offered possible glimpses at Dungeon Master’s former “pupils”. In one case they were just skeletons in a maze, and the other was a lone elderly woman who had been forced to wander the realm for decades after her and her friends failed to defeat the big bad and all but her had been captured by him.

    The show could only go so far with this in 1983. Curious to see what a writers room could do with it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kalbfus View Post
    A character could be given a Forgotten Realms version of the staff of Mishakal like Goldmoon got in Dragonlance.
    Pick a god or goddess from the Forgotten Realms pantheon, that deity is responsible for bringing these kids to the Realms, the god has to follow the rules established for him or her by Ao, and so the god picks champions to fight for her cause. The god really doesn't want to do it this way, but has no choice.
    The characters in the show were defined more by their signature items than by class features. Leaving aside how D&D wanted to give anything even remotely religious a wide berth in the 80s, the character would channel one signature cleric power (i.e: healing) rather than the full breadth of the cleric spell list. The big problem here becomes the cartoon format. People can get scrapes that the healer has to patch up in downtime, but that isn't really active or exciting. Exciting moments of healing are pretty much just healing someone you come across so they're inclined and able to help you out (a plot that could quickly get overused) or healing up a party member who was temporarily taken out of the fight (ditto).


    As far as the modern update, two problems immediately stand out. The first is that the realms is too lore heavy to fit neatly into a saturday morning cartoon format, while a realms focused show would have enough lore that adding modern day visitors would be unnecessary extra crud. The second is that the realms were canonically linked to our world, with Elminster having been known to pop over for a visit. A show that avoided bringing in big name characters would be avoiding one of the big draws of the realms as a setting, while a show that used them would quickly find the characters facing someone with the tools to fix their predicament.

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    The second is that the realms were canonically linked to our world, with Elminster having been known to pop over for a visit.
    If that's the case, Dragonlance and Greyhawk are both out too, since Elminster met up with buddies from both on Earth.

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    The show could only go so far with this in 1983. Curious to see what a writers room could do with it now.
    Given what we saw with She-Ra, MLP and Voltron, I'm guessing it could go really far indeed

    And yes, I'd definitely be in favor of a gritty Netflix-style remake, especially with both 80s cartoon remakes and D&D itself being very in vogue right now.

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    One party character that is missing from the group is a cleric. The kids never needed a cleric, because none of them ever got injured, and of course a cleric might draw some controversy, but still in a realistic situation you need a healer, and the Forgotten Realms has gods. You can't please everyone, you just have to accept that some will be offended and move on, that's all!
    I'd give Uni the healer role rather than introducing a cleric character. In the original he was just the useless animal sidekick archetype (see also Snarf, Zuffy, Cringer, Oon, Orko etc.); but in D&D, unicorns' healing abilities have been around forever. Gaining mastery of his healing abilities would be a tangible representation of his character growth from the innocent that needs protecting into a valued member of the team in his own right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    Given what we saw with She-Ra, MLP and Voltron, I'm guessing it could go really far indeed

    And yes, I'd definitely be in favor of a gritty Netflix-style remake, especially with both 80s cartoon remakes and D&D itself being very in vogue right now.



    I'd give Uni the healer role rather than introducing a cleric character. In the original he was just the useless animal sidekick archetype (see also Snarf, Zuffy, Cringer, Oon, Orko etc.); but in D&D, unicorns' healing abilities have been around forever. Gaining mastery of his healing abilities would be a tangible representation of his character growth from the innocent that needs protecting into a valued member of the team in his own right.
    I think Diana with the Staff of Mishakal could be just as much a cleric as Eric with his shield is a cavalier, Hank with his magic stringless bow is a ranger, Presto is a wizard with his hat etc. Give someone a staff of healing and she would fit right in.

    I think Uni should be a fully grown unicorn by this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    And yes, I'd definitely be in favor of a gritty Netflix-style remake, especially with both 80s cartoon remakes and D&D itself being very in vogue right now.
    Maybe not gritty, but it is on top of my “80’s properties that should be rebooted” list. I’d also love if it was more of a continuation, with a new group being pulled into the realm and finding that hundreds of years had passed Narnia-style.

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    I'd give Uni the healer role rather than introducing a cleric character. In the original he was just the useless animal sidekick archetype (see also Snarf, Zuffy, Cringer, Oon, Orko etc.); but in D&D, unicorns' healing abilities have been around forever. Gaining mastery of his healing abilities would be a tangible representation of his character growth from the innocent that needs protecting into a valued member of the team in his own right.
    Uni actually did use her teleportation abilities once in the show. Would be neat to also see her sentience played up as she gets older, especially if she and Bobby remain friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kalbfus View Post
    I think Diana with the Staff of Mishakal could be just as much a cleric as Eric with his shield is a cavalier, Hank with his magic stringless bow is a ranger, Presto is a wizard with his hat etc. Give someone a staff of healing and she would fit right in.

    I think Uni should be a fully grown unicorn by this time.
    Diana is a monk officially (I'm thinking "acrobat" used to be a class back when the show was conceived?) and her staff's official powers are geared at melee and movement. You could give her a healing staff instead but that doesn't really fit with her character imo, she was very much the brash jock of the group.

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    (I'm thinking "acrobat" used to be a class back when the show was conceived?)
    Yes, the thief-acrobat, cavalier and barbarian were all brand new classes at the time the show began.

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    Diana is a monk officially (I'm thinking "acrobat" used to be a class back when the show was conceived?) and her staff's official powers are geared at melee and movement. You could give her a healing staff instead but that doesn't really fit with her character imo, she was very much the brash jock of the group.
    Oddly enough I think Eric would work best as the healer if they did reboot it. His weapon was used solely to protect others, and having him become more open about caring for others would be a good arc for his character.

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    Oddly enough I think Eric would work best as the healer if they did reboot it. His weapon was used solely to protect others, and having him become more open about caring for others would be a good arc for his character.
    Not just the cavalier then, but an actual cleric or paladin?

    Given he uses the shield and I don't remember him wielding a weapon unless it was whilst they were in the Dragon's Graveyard I think both could apply!

    That would also explain why the Dungeon Master was willing to grant him his powers for a time although selfish and egocentric he does have the habit of coming through when needed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    Given what we saw with She-Ra, MLP and Voltron, I'm guessing it could go really far indeed

    And yes, I'd definitely be in favor of a gritty Netflix-style remake, especially with both 80s cartoon remakes and D&D itself being very in vogue right now.
    I'd suggest Joel Rosenberg's Guardians of the Flame seems about the right tone to hit - or at least the first book, The Sleeping Dragon which has the clearest link with our world.

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    Oddly enough I think Eric would work best as the healer if they did reboot it. His weapon was used solely to protect others, and having him become more open about caring for others would be a good arc for his character.
    Each character has one signature magic item. Eric's shield is more than just a +1 shield, Hank's bow is rather unique as well. Presto's hat is similar to a bag of holding. You could call it a hat of wondrous items. There is a cloak of invisibility for Sheila, Bobby's club is called what? Diana's quarterstaff does what exactly?

    If you were to write the properties of these magic items, what would they be, and what would be their limitations?
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    Not just the cavalier then, but an actual cleric or paladin?

    Given he uses the shield and I don't remember him wielding a weapon unless it was whilst they were in the Dragon's Graveyard I think both could apply!

    That would also explain why the Dungeon Master was willing to grant him his powers for a time although selfish and egocentric he does have the habit of coming through when needed!
    These characters will need some back stories to explain why they are the way they are. Eric, I think is much like a male version of the character Veronica from the Archie comic book. Sheila might actually have been a thief in our world, she didn't just become one when she got that cloak of invisibility. I think Hank might have been a Boy Scout - maybe an Eagle Scout, he has wilderness survival skills, which is why he is a ranger. Diana might be an acrobat and martial artist, perhaps she is in training for the Olympics. Bobby is Sheila's younger brother, I would say they are both orphans who ran away as they were about to be separated as the adoptive parents only wanted to adopt one of them and not the other and both have been on the run from Social Services with Sheila supporting them both by stealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kalbfus View Post
    These characters will need some back stories to explain why they are the way they are. Eric, I think is much like a male version of the character Veronica from the Archie comic book. Sheila might actually have been a thief in our world, she didn't just become one when she got that cloak of invisibility. I think Hank might have been a Boy Scout - maybe an Eagle Scout, he has wilderness survival skills, which is why he is a ranger. Diana might be an acrobat and martial artist, perhaps she is in training for the Olympics. Bobby is Sheila's younger brother, I would say they are both orphans who ran away as they were about to be separated as the adoptive parents only wanted to adopt one of them and not the other and both have been on the run from Social Services with Sheila supporting them both by stealing.
    They did have backstories though.

    Eric was a rich kid who didn’t have a good relationship with his father (it’s implied he was distant and didn’t spend much time with him).

    Diana was a state gymnastics champion.

    Presto was an amateur magician. Another kid referred to his “lame card tricks”.

    Bobby was just young and impulsive.

    Shelia was scared of being alone. She’s kind of like Violet from The Incredibles in that her power reflects her ability to “disappear” in social situations. Interestingly, she’s also the only person Dungeon Master called by name. Everyone else was “Ranger” or “Cavalier”, but aside from the opening, DM always called her “Shelia” and never “thief”. I don’t think she ever even stole anything in the show.

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    They did have backstories though.

    Eric was a rich kid who didn’t have a good relationship with his father (it’s implied he was distant and didn’t spend much time with him).

    Diana was a state gymnastics champion.

    Presto was an amateur magician. Another kid referred to his “lame card tricks”.

    Bobby was just young and impulsive.

    Shelia was scared of being alone. She’s kind of like Violet from The Incredibles in that her power reflects her ability to “disappear” in social situations. Interestingly, she’s also the only person Dungeon Master called by name. Everyone else was “Ranger” or “Cavalier”, but aside from the opening, DM always called her “Shelia” and never “thief”. I don’t think she ever even stole anything in the show.
    Eric needs a weapon besides a shield. You ever see the 2003 version of Batttlestar Galactica? What happens if you do something similar with these characters, make them a bit more edgy and the D&D situations they face more like the typical gaming experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleD View Post
    Shelia was scared of being alone. She’s kind of like Violet from The Incredibles in that her power reflects her ability to “disappear” in social situations. Interestingly, she’s also the only person Dungeon Master called by name. Everyone else was “Ranger” or “Cavalier”, but aside from the opening, DM always called her “Shelia” and never “thief”. I don’t think she ever even stole anything in the show.
    ASH states that he had the greatest trust in her and her friendship with the others, which is why he gave her the invisibility cloak. Which kind of makes sense - after all, when you have a whole party whose powers derive from their signature items, a less scrupulous rogue could end up being the most powerful of all.

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    Eric needs a weapon besides a shield.
    His official stats only have the shield, which does have the bashing property.

    A sword would be an ideal symbol of his character growth, if the show had ended properly anyway.

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    Rather than just adapting, I feel like this should also introduce some new elements to the Forgotten Realms.

    For example, the Dungeon Masters. One idea the show seemed to hint at was that “Dungeon Master” was less a name than a title. There was that one episode where Eric (cavalier) was given his job and robes, to say nothing of the written-but-never-produces ending where it was revealed that Venger was Dungeon Master’s son who was corrupted. Maybe this could be a secret faction whose job is to bring in “outsiders” every once in a while to solve problems?

    It would also be nice to dive into how morally gray, if not outright sinister, that concept is. On at least two occasions the show offered possible glimpses at Dungeon Master’s former “pupils”. In one case they were just skeletons in a maze, and the other was a lone elderly woman who had been forced to wander the realm for decades after her and her friends failed to defeat the big bad and all but her had been captured by him.

    The show could only go so far with this in 1983. Curious to see what a writers room could do with it now.
    It wasn't so surprising Venger was Dungeon Master's son. There is an episode where Venger is completely defeated. He is about to die with no way out of the situation. He is rescued by Dungeon Master who calls him "my son". The kids never know. Only the viewing audience sees this. Since we were all kids back then and the show didn't have continuity between episodes we could easily forget and/or not realize "my son" was meant literally. I only remember because I was able to see the episode a few years ago as an adult sometime after I had read the finale script.
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