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    I really liked the visuals, they were really great. The other thing that was great:

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    Olaf rehashing the plot of the first movie was really the best part of the movie for me.


    Though I noticed something in the story that really bothered me, but perhaps it's just me.

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    Elsa is supposed to be the mediator between humans and spirit right? Why does she use violence to beat down nearly every spirit? Seriously she throws magic at two of them till they give up and have no way to do anything then surrender. She straight up BROKE IN the third and that is supposed to be good? I mean, I get it that you can't talk through every problem but that just seemed excessive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhallor View Post
    Though I noticed something in the story that really bothered me, but perhaps it's just me...
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    Yeah, calling her a mediator was farfetchd but it wouldnt be as fairy tale-ish if they said there was a stronger element then all of the rest...

    And all of them doesnt seem as dangerous as each other. The Earth Elementals were definitly more fearsome.

    Then again, imagine if if was the fire elemenst who was the strongest lol!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Temotei View Post
    Based on there being photography that likely doesn't take days of exposure in the public, I'd estimate the film is placed around the mid 19th century or equivalent in-universe.
    Photography, was there a camera in Frozen 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kalbfus View Post
    Photography, was there a camera in Frozen 2?
    Matthias and the woman he asked about are seen looking at a photograph of themselves, at one point. It's a brief gag, and not remotely important to the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delicious Taffy View Post
    Matthias and the woman he asked about are seen looking at a photograph of themselves, at one point. It's a brief gag, and not remotely important to the plot.
    It does let us pin the timeline pretty specifically to a real-world analogue, though, as it was an unknown technology when the mist went up and is available in Arendelle when it comes down. The daguerreotype became widely available in 1839, so '1840s' is a pretty solid guess as far as a time frame for the present of the movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmerlaus View Post
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    That is great!

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    That was also another point I thought was strange. Wind is 1 thing (supposedly) Fire is also 1 and Water is also 1 individual. Why is earth multiple entities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cen View Post
    Actually not really, we see father reading a book by - using his words - "Some new Danish author" so Arendelle might not be a real place, it's placed in our world.
    That's a pretty obvious reference to Hans Christian Andersen. Clearly in Disney's Princess Universe Andersen is basing his fairy tales on real people. Frozen is The Ice Queen, the Little Mermaid is well you know (and two of the royal attendants that Prince Eric had on his ship were at Elsa's coronation in Frozen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhallor View Post
    That is great!
    Thanks! Glad to know the humor is appreciated!

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    That was also another point I thought was strange. Wind is 1 thing (supposedly) Fire is also 1 and Water is also 1 individual. Why is earth multiple entities?
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    I believe their is more then one of everything but we only saw one of the other elements. Im guessing the other elements dont like to gather as a flock unlike the earth giants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapak View Post
    It does let us pin the timeline pretty specifically to a real-world analogue, though, as it was an unknown technology when the mist went up and is available in Arendelle when it comes down. The daguerreotype became widely available in 1839, so '1840s' is a pretty solid guess as far as a time frame for the present of the movies.
    Since they were in the mist for thirty-six years, I think the range is a bit wider, but that's how I extrapolated, yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temotei View Post
    Since they were in the mist for thirty-six years, I think the range is a bit wider, but that's how I extrapolated, yeah.
    Maybe it is set in the Marvel Universe, that has fictional places such as Wakanda, why not Arendell as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kalbfus View Post
    Maybe it is set in the Marvel Universe, that has fictional places such as Wakanda, why not Arendell as well?
    I kinda thought it could be an Avengers situation. Elsa recruiting the "avatar" of fall, then in the next movie summer, then spring to fight some mighty evil sorceres/dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhallor View Post
    I kinda thought it could be an Avengers situation. Elsa recruiting the "avatar" of fall, then in the next movie summer, then spring to fight some mighty evil sorceres/dude.
    So, just RWBY, then.

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    I didn't like the movie that much, because it felt like all the sub plots fell flat.

    For what it's worth I was a huge fan of the first frozen, and would not recommend anyone see the sequel unless they are looking to take a nap with something on in the background on the TV.

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    Olaf talking about growing up didn't really seem motivated by much, or result in much by the end.

    Kristoff's absurd proposal non sense didn't make me root for him to pull it off at the end. I actually wanted Anna to reject him for the lulz since it seemed so overplayed.

    Tearing down the dam - they could have just.... Taken a bit of time to do it? Like, Anna could have died in her plan and then they would be stuck with no one even knowing the dam is the problem. Did she have any reason to think it needed to be done without even talking to anyone about it?

    And Anna thinking Elsa was dead only for her to show up on the horse - we already knew she was alive. That had no emotional punch to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornaki View Post
    I didn't like the movie that much, because it felt like all the sub plots fell flat.

    For what it's worth I was a huge fan of the first frozen, and would not recommend anyone see the sequel unless they are looking to take a nap with something on in the background on the TV.

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    Taking my daughter to see this soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temotei View Post
    Since they were in the mist for thirty-six years, I think the range is a bit wider, but that's how I extrapolated, yeah.
    That'd put us to mid 1870s at the earliest, then. Not that I think that Disney is that fixated on an actual canonical timeframe. It's "fantasy" time period, and probably not much more than that. But amusing, sort of, to pin it down.

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    I didn't like the movie that much, because it felt like all the sub plots fell flat.
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    Tearing down the dam - they could have just.... Taken a bit of time to do it? Like, Anna could have died in her plan and then they would be stuck with no one even knowing the dam is the problem. Did she have any reason to think it needed to be done without even talking to anyone about it?

    Hah.

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    No, there's no particular reason why Anna should even know about the dam. She jumps from realizing that the king is the aggressor to just assuming that. Which happens to be correct, because plot, but it is not conveyed to her on screen.

    That whole plot is basically just the Heart of Tefiti from Moana recycled and mashed in to fit.

    Overall I found the film generally enjoyable despite the plot being...not great. I didn't get bored in the theater, anyways, and I didn't actively hate it. But I certainly can't call it a GOOD plot.
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    it's a fairly typical Disney sequel, which means there will be more songs, none of them will stand out like ones from the first movie, and some things will be changed.

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    I did love Kristoff's 80's power ballad.
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    Originally Posted by Lapak
    Öí1840s' is a pretty solid guess as far as a time frame for the present of the movies.
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    Not that I think that Disney is that fixated on an actual canonical timeframe. It's "fantasy" time period, and probably not much more than that.
    As it happens, the 1840s is the exact timeframe that the costume references are from, at least in the first movie, so Iím pretty sure this is the intended period.

    I just came back from seeing it and really enjoyed it. As others have said, not nearly as good as the first, but decent music and Elsaís new look is great.


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    I absolutely loved the water horse, which seems heavily based on the pooka, and the fact that Elsa tames it to ride is just perfect. I love the reference to Celtic mythology, as well as the subtler reference to the salamander, which was a flaming beast in medieval European mythology.


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    I was hoping there would be an actual Fifth Spirit separate from Elsa. Itís always a little bit of a disappointment when the hero (or heroine) goes in search of something, only to be told it was them all along.


    Overall, I think it was a worthy successor. Not sure if thereís much room for a third movie, though, since it seems to end on a rather decisive note, rather than the happy-and-promising finale of the first one. But Iíll be interested to see if they crank out an animated series, the way they already have for Tangled and Big Hero 6.

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    So I went and saw this yesterday. It overall felt pretty mediocre to me. I did like first Frozen alright, but this just fell flat. I still like Let it go, but I don't feel this has anything as catchy as it, though I do still like Idina Menzel's singing. My points might have been made earlier, but I just feel like rambling a bit.

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    So the sideplots weren't very interesting. I feel like the movie would have been better, if it just focused on Elsa. I don't feel like the creators really knew what to do with Anna, Kristoff and Olaf, they could have stayed behind, and maybe they could have shown them protecting the citizens of Arendelle or something. I mean now Kristoff just disappears from the movie! They could have focused more on the new characters and their culture, the spirits and the magic, and how Elsa actually confronts the spirits. Now it just felt rushed, and the dam was just their Deathstar, a big object they can destroy to resolve the plot. Not that they really needed the heroes to do it, since the earth elementals could have destroyed it themselves at any time.

    And I get it's a kids' movie, but everything was so predictable. Grandpa was a bad guy, dam needed to be destroyed... I made Last Airbender joke when they mentioned the four elements the first time, and that comparison is pretty accurate, I think they even used the 'bridge between two worlds' phrase. Not that I minded it as a plot, but they didn't really do it very well.

    Olaf's jokes kinda fell flat to me mostly, except his recap was kinda fun ("Well at least they have their parents... *beat* Their parents are dead."). I guess they tried to have kind of a character arc for him... But it feels like the resolution was cut? But many people probably like him, so I guess Disney knew what they were doing. At least many people in my theater seemed to be laughing at his jokes (it wasn't a dubbed viewing so I think most were adults and older kids).

    I don't regret seeing it, especially since the tickets were cheap, and the movie wasn't super bad or anything. The songs were still good, if not as memorable as in the first movie. (I did like the sound of that sprit "wail" or whatever they played many times and used in the songs). The visuals were nice too, the fire salamander was cute and the water horse was cool. I just feel like the movie didn't really live up to its potential. It seemed like they wanted to do something more adult, but didn't really dare. And they also couldn't decide which side plots to use, so they just crammed everything in. Kids will still probably like it, older fans of the first might or might not.
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    Overall, I liked it. The intro to Frozen has nothing to do with the rest of the movie, then they worked it into the sequel.

    I prefer the first, but Iím sure Iíll see the second a good few times throughout my life.
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