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    I'll be playing in a "Isekai" style game in which we play as ourselves. I'm of the opinion that I'd be a bard but over time want to make the transition to a paladin and was wondering how I might best synchronize these two classes.
    This is horrifying beyond anything Lovecraft ever wrote or Giger ever drew.

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    *tag*

    I'd be keen to hear, as well. Afaik Bard and Pal don't blend too well, despite Cha focus, bc Pals tend to be Heavies and Bards are limited in their armour due to ASF.
    Let me give you a brief rundown of an average Post-3E Era fight: You attack an enemy and start kicking his shins. He then starts kicking your shins, then you take it in turns kicking until one of you falls over. It basically comes down to who started the battle with the biggest boot, and the only strategy involved is realizing when things have gone tits up and legging it.

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    Maybe focus on Dex and Cha, and do an archery build?

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    I'm guessing you want Paladin (instead of, say, Oracle or Sorcerer) because you want a martial focus. So with that, you have four main options:

    1) Melee primary
    2) Ranged primary
    3) Switch-hitter
    4) Support primary, martial secondary

    Which are you going for? And what kind of ratio do you want - are you shooting more for a bard with a little smiting, or a paladin with a little buffing and skills?

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    Other questions to ask:

    1) How much Paladin do you want to be?
    2) How much Bard to you want to be?
    3) Which abilities from the classes appeal to you the most?

    Outside of Bard/VMC Paladin or Paladin/VMC Bard, you would have to look at actual multiclassing and the tradeoffs of each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldonauran View Post
    Other questions to ask:

    1) How much Paladin do you want to be?
    2) How much Bard to you want to be?
    3) Which abilities from the classes appeal to you the most?
    Hey, I asked these! They were below the bullets but still

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    Outside of Bard/VMC Paladin or Paladin/VMC Bard, you would have to look at actual multiclassing and the tradeoffs of each.
    There are also archetypes to consider - for example, the Martyr Paladin gets several bardic abilities, but trades away some iconic paladin ones too. It all depends on the concept/mix that the OP wants.

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    I would say 3/4ths bard and a quarter paladin. I feel my focus will be in ensuring I'm the target and either avoid damage or tank it.
    This is horrifying beyond anything Lovecraft ever wrote or Giger ever drew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomboy911 View Post
    I would say 3/4ths bard and a quarter paladin. I feel my focus will be in ensuring I'm the target and either avoid damage or tank it.
    Pathfinder doesn't really have an 'aggro' mechanic. You need to make yourself dangerous enough to get their attention, and hold it.

    How attached are you to being a Bard? Would you consider the Skald class sufficient?

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    What about an Oathbound Paladin with Oath of the People's Council? The main trade is switching Smite Evil out for several Bardic Performances. The Battle Herald prestige class would also be an option, particularly because the Demanding Challenge ability would provide some of the desired tanking functionality.
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    I've decided to just go straight bard and keep a paladin mindset, ironically the party at level 3 will be going gestalt and I could just grab paladin but I don't feel they have the greatest synergy.
    This is horrifying beyond anything Lovecraft ever wrote or Giger ever drew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomboy911 View Post
    I've decided to just go straight bard and keep a paladin mindset, ironically the party at level 3 will be going gestalt and I could just grab paladin but I don't feel they have the greatest synergy.
    Er... How did you land on that? The synergy of that gestalt would be fantastic

    Mechanically:
    - All good saves
    - full BAB
    - d10 HD
    - Cha-based spellcasting on both sides
    - Cha to saves on top of the good saves
    - Cha to attack with smite
    - Cast all your spells in light armor
    - Good uses for every action type
    - Strong at melee or ranged

    And thematically - PF Heaven/Celestia is full of music, whether it is choirs of angels and archons or instruments like trumpets, so the fluff is easy to justify too.

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    Default Re: Pathfinder paladin bard combo

    Actually did this once in a home campaign that ran to 20. Virtuous Bravo combined with Archaeologist and Fate's Favored. Was more dex based until later levels, when Improved and Greater Eldritch Heritage: Orc jacked my strength up on par and I swapped to a 2h weapon. It was pretty sweet.

    I played it as a rogue-like caster/melee support for most of the game. Rolled stats were 13 16 14 10 11 16 after modifier. I think I was a half-orc.

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