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That's not retconning ESB, that's retconning ANH to fit with what ESB did. IOW, leaning into ESB.
TLJ ends with the spark of hope reborn, the story of Luke's facing down the First Order has proven they are beatable. Rey has the sacred Jedi texts. Poe and Finn have learned important lessons are committed to leading the Resistance. Kylo Ren, while undisputed ruler of the First Order, they've been badly defeated ... twice. And the loss of a significant part of their fleet means that they are strategically weakened. I'm not suggesting broom kid is going to defeat the First Order, but he is a sign.
Let's not forget, the timeline of these movies is super compressed, from the beginning of TFA to the end of TLJ can't be more than a month or two. Only weeks ... at most ... have passed since the destruction of the Hosnian system, but that means there's remnants of the Republic to rally to the Resistance. What they need is hope and leadership ... or as Leia put it, "We have everything we need."
So I don't get why "there's nowhere to go". The whole point of The Last Jedi is that anyone can be a hero. Whether you're a girl sold by junkie scavengers, or a lowly Resistance engineer. You don't have to be "The Chosen One", that's what's so subversive and cool about TLJ. Rey doesn't need to be a secret Kenobi or Windu, she just needs to be herself and to open herself to the Force.
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2019-12-23, 03:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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The damage to their fleet didn't make it vulnerable enough for anyone to show up and attack it at its moment of maximum weakness, so whatever damage was inflicted doesn't seem to have tilted the balance. Additionally, while the First Order does take some modest casualties during TLJ, the Resistance is reduced to within a rounding error of exterminated. In fact, we can do the math. There are a maximum of 20 Resistance survivors at the end of TLJ. The minimum crew of the 4 resistance capital ships is 1360. That means that during the course of TLJ the Resistance suffered 98.5% casualties.. Loss of material, in going from 4 capital ships with fighters to just the Millennium Falcon, are arguably even greater. As a functional military force The Resistance ceases to exist during TLJ. It's gone, everything has to be rebuilt from the ground up.
What they need is hope and leadership ... or as Leia put it, "We have everything we need."
As for hope, the Battle of Crait, as I already illustrated with the math, represents an almost total resistance loss. Yes, Holdo's sacrifice does a bunch of damage by pure chance, but the most significant blow to the First Order is the one inflicted by infighting via Kylo Ren. No one in the Resistance, except maybe Rey via influence, accomplishes anything of real substance against the First Order during the whole movie. Yes, Luke manages to delay Kylo for a few minutes, and sure that's embarrassing, but that won't win a propaganda war. The First Order can proclaim that 'We crushed the Resistance on Crait!' without even the slightest bit of exaggeration.
So I don't get why "there's nowhere to go". The whole point of The Last Jedi is that anyone can be a hero. Whether you're a girl sold by junkie scavengers, or a lowly Resistance engineer. You don't have to be "The Chosen One", that's what's so subversive and cool about TLJ. Rey doesn't need to be a secret Kenobi or Windu, she just needs to be herself and to open herself to the Force.
Also, and this is important, the fact that Rey might have come from nothing doesn't make her not a massive powerhouse. Whether or not Rey was the child of nothing junk traders or if she'd been Luke's own daughter wouldn't change that she's perhaps the fastest learning and most powerful Jedi ever portrayed in a Star Wars film. To quote Xykon: 'Power equals power.' It's a common thing in many stories (especially shounen anime) to claim that the protagonist is somehow weak because they have powers that are non-standard, or they have a crummy origin, etc. when they are actually a world-destroying powerhouse never-before-seen. TLJ has this problem in spades.
By contrast, Finn, Rose, Poe, none of them come from backgrounds of any particular privilege, and in the course of TLJ they accomplish nothing (Finn and Rose arguably have negative accomplishments).
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It was a good effort to finish the trilogy, but ultimately a single movie was not enough to make up for the damage TLJ did to the story.
RoS has the basis of an excellent story with a few elements of brilliance that could perhaps begin to "save" the trilogy, but lack of play time did that it came off as poorly woven together. Moments that should have been deeply emotional weren't, questions were left unanswered, lack of build-up/background/Chekovian guns, etc.
There were elements of a competent ending to a great saga in there somewhere, but in the end it was a rush job. To be fair it was pretty much an impossible task Disney had set before itself, but I was impressed with the effort nonetheless.Last edited by Misereor; 2019-12-23 at 06:00 AM.
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Ironically, Rotten Tomatoes reverse the trend from The Last Jedi: Critics hate it, fans love it . 57% of the critic views are positive, while 86% of more than 37,000 fan reviews are. So I suppose that we can lay accusations of 'review-bombing' of TLJ to rest.
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This is the answer:
I read there was quite some anger in China when The Last Jedi has shown the kiss between Finn & Rose. It might not be controversial in the West nowadays, but remember Kirk & Uhura's kiss in Star Trek TOS: Black men kissing Asian women isn't something the Chinese liked (and in general, Black actors don't pull so well in China either). So rumors back then were that Disney would cut these things out in the future. It seems they did just that.
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Have to say that I didn't see anything hopeful at all through the entirety of TLJ right up to the end.
I don't see a spark of hope reborn at the end of TLJ. They put out a desperate call for help across the galaxy and no one shows up. Not even Luke. The Resistance is in shambles, reduced to a handful of people; their fleet totally destroyed. This movie was the opposite of hope; Poe was awful, Finn and Rose were useless, Rey and Luke didn't get along and help each other, etc. TLJ set about to subvert everything and I'm not quite sure how you pick up the pieces from there.
So I don't get why "there's nowhere to go". The whole point of The Last Jedi is that anyone can be a hero. Whether you're a girl sold by junkie scavengers, or a lowly Resistance engineer. You don't have to be "The Chosen One", that's what's so subversive and cool about TLJ. Rey doesn't need to be a secret Kenobi or Windu, she just needs to be herself and to open herself to the Force.
And another reminder to all, the Jedi can't wed or have children. They replenish their Order by recruiting kids with force potential throughout the galaxy. The fact that they aren't recruiting these kids from powerful force-wielding dynasties that churn out Jedi candidates like a puppy mill lets you know that anyone can have the Force and it isn't simply tied to powerful bloodlines.Castlevania II: Dracula's Curse
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I have to say I think that there is a bit of confusion that I see in a lot of places. When we say that the franchise has been saying that you needed to be important and special to be a jedi, we're not literally saying that every force user in the franchise comes from an important family.
What we are saying, and what the franchise had and unfortunately again has fallen into is the trap of everything being linked, if you're important you are part of an important bloodline.
Think the Old Republic series, The leader of the jedi couldn't be someone new, she had to be the granddaughter of Revan and Bastila.
Think a lot of the EU everything revolved around the darn Jedi kids. Even further you have stuff with Cade Skywalker.
Our problem is partially tied up with this whole thing even being called the " Skywalker Saga. " We wanted the films to be bigger, to be about more than just how important and special this one family was. And now not only did they do that, they did it by taking away what made Rey Special.
Now she's only important because of what her grandaddy did, that's where all her force mojo came from. She didn't grow in strength or power because she achieved unity of spirit, or patience, or virtue. It's all in the blood baby.
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Review bombing 100% happened it's easily checked. You can go to Rotten tomatoes and actually read the reviews. Here's the thing. If a review gives a half star, has no picture, Last jedi is the only review for them on the site. and their review is less than a paragraph. Well that's a bomb. And take a guess at what percentage of the negative audience reviews fit that description.
Hell if a film gets 1/2 a star period no matter the film it's probably a fake review.
Oh and I didn't Rogue one I'd give it a 3-2 1/2 rating/ And on paper it's everything i wanted I wanted space battles and no jedi. I just didn't like the way the film was made.Last edited by Devonix; 2019-12-23 at 08:37 AM.
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I agree with that sentiment Devonix; I would much prefer they move away from established characters and blood relation. But the EU is very different from the movies. The movies, apart from Anakin and Luke, don't have that same obsession with everyone being related (well until Rey now I suppose, lol).
But I don't think it is something that needs a forced message in a movie from Rian Johnson to let us all know that anyone can be strong in the Force. But obviously YMMV.
I'll add that Rey never did any of those things anyways. It was always a mystery why she was able to overpower Kylo, defeat him in lightsaber combat, use the Mind Trick, etc. without any training. That's what fueled all the speculation. I mean... lightsaber combat doesn't exactly come from your bloodline. I think Palpatine being her grandfather was tacked on as others have said. I think she really was just supposed to be some vessel for the Force until we were left with dead Snoke, ridiculous Hux, and pathetic Kylo.Castlevania II: Dracula's Curse
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I'm sorry man, but this just reads like a lack of imagination. This is Star Wars, an action adventure of the highest order. In the first movie 3 guys, a big dog, and two droids storm a weaponized moon and free a prisoner without anything even remotely resembling a plan. In the third, 2 guys, a gal, a big dog, and two droids storm the most powerful criminal gang on a planet and kill everyone with what I guess we could call a plan, but not one that makes any lick of sense.
The Rebels are at record low numbers? Fair enough. That means gaining new forces should become a part of the next movie's narrative. Thankfully, TLJ already gave us two groups of people to draw these new recruits from. The first and most obvious being the dispossessed. The second has been introduced all the way back in TFA and the tensions in leadership after TLJ should make this group even more likely to oppose Kylo and the First Order: the Stormtroopers themselves.
Start the movie with the heroes attempting to free the slaves on Casablanca planet, or Tattooine, or wherever you want to have slavery.
No competent villain? Perfect. Make Kylo Ren the incompetent villain. He is a super powered crybaby with the largest most powerful army in the galaxy. What would this loser do if he actually had real power? He'd do what he already does. He'd act like a petulant child and kill everyone who disagrees with him. With not a bit of strategic or tactical thinking to him. TLJ left us with Kylo as the most powerful person, so show him acting like a tyrant. If the Rebels are freeing the slaves on Casablanca planet, have Kylo show up to collect money from them. Have him forcing the wealthy to cater to his whims, murder a few of them that object.
Create the first big fight of the movie as the rebels try to free slaves and Kylo and the troopers try to stop them. Fight scene. Some of the slaves escape with the rebels, some are recaptured by the First Order. The heroes get away. Have Kylo blame someone else for this failure, like he does with everything. Have him kill a few of his own soldiers for the failure.
That could lead to a great scene to play into Kylo's psychosis and connection with Ren. One of the worst decisions of this movie was to try and play Kylo/Rey's relationship straight. In TLJ Kylo tried to get Rey to side with him, only to then try to kill everyone she cared for and saw her rejection of murder as her being stupid. Play that up. Have Kylo capture some of the slaves Rey tries to free. Open up a link between him and her and show him setting up a firing squad to kill the captives. If you want to play into the abusive boyfriend angle (and I most certainly do), you can even have him throw out lines about how "these killings are your fault for defying me” and how “this would all stop if you give yourself to me."
After some second loss against the First Order in the second act you can still have Rey doubting herself, especially with the continued taunts from Kylo that every horrible thing he's doing is her fault. Have Luke come back for the pep talk.
Big final confrontation could be great to finally pay off Finn existing by having him leading the rebellion from within the First Order's own forces.
Now is what I wrote up top the best the story could be? Hell no. I'm not a writer, and I wrote this on a train ride to work. But the idea that there was nowhere left for the story to go is just blatantly false. Now maybe no one but me would like to watch this. But I'd much rather see Kylo playing tin-pot dictator rather than reintroducing a villain that has not been involved in this series for the last 2 movies. I want a pay off to the concept that the troopers are in their own way also victims of the First Order.
Now does that mean I stand by every decision in TLJ. No. The Holdo maneuver needed to be set up better. If they had the heroes turn off the shields during their time in Snoke's ship that'd be something. Mind you, Star Wars combat has never made sense. Even in the first freaking movie. But the Holdo maneuver is so blatantly game-breaking that even those who don't think about tactics when watching explode-y space movies start questioning why they don't just kamikaze everything if it's that effective.Last edited by Dienekes; 2019-12-23 at 10:32 AM.
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Yes that's what I was thinking and hoping for this as well. Kylo Ren being the actual villain of the film. You know what's scarrier than a Smart person with power, a Stupid person than power.
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So this confuses me.
Luke didn't beat them, he fooled them. And even then, he was a Jedi Master. So, at best, you could say "the story of Luke facing down the First Order has proven you can trick them for a few minutes, if you're a powerful space wizard."
For the "it's proven they are beatable," you could point to Starkiller Base in the first one, where non-space wizards blew up their planet-sized superweapon. That's significantly more impressive than making some walkers not storm a base for two minutes. Why is "are they beatable" even a question at that point?Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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Just watched The Last Jedi again. Narratively is a *far* better film than The Rise of Skywalker.
The characters are out in a dire situation. Due to their individual character flaws they fail to communicate, and end up making their situation worse. The film doesn't pull any punches - mistakes mean people die. Lots of people. The one hero everyone is counting on is broken by a moment of weakness. He no longer believes he can step out with a lightsabre and make a difference. But the protagonist and that hero's own mentor give him a reason to reconsider. He takes his lightsabre and he *does* step out and take on an army. He buys the remaining heroes time to escape, humiliates the First Order and Kylo Ren *completely*, and inspires a whole new generation with the single greatest use of a force power in the entire of trilogy of trilogies. And then The Force theme plays as he faces a binary sunset and goes to his rest in peace.
That's narrative payoff!
Whatever the niggles with certain plot elements, the whole works. The conclusion is awesome.
The Rise of Skywalker on the other hand just didn't work. The conclusion is basically a pendulum battle as each side takes turns to deliver a curb stomp as the tide of battle swings wildly due to a succession of ex machinas. There's little narrative payoff because hardly any effort is spent on each twist. Throughout the film any moment of genuine peril or sacrifice is immediately walked back. The film never follows through on its threats. It's just a series of events happening.
The one exception is the redemption of Ben Solo. I thought that particular plot arc was at least handled really well. But despite some individually great scenes the structural issues make The Rise of Skywalker less than the sum of its parts. It's just really unsatisfying. If this was really the direction they wanted to go after The Last Jedi, it needed to be split into two films.Last edited by RCgothic; 2019-12-23 at 09:35 AM.
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It was great.
No massive trilogy thematic planning, but let's admit it folks. The only trilogy that tried it failed miserably. Star Wars always has been a movie-by-movie basis.
I loved the cheese. The cavalry charge on top of a space battleship. Lando rallying the largest fleet we ever seen in Star Wars. The Jesus Christ fantastic set pieces of the Sith Planet and the Wreckages of the Death Star.
It was fun, entertaining. My heart broke at Chewbacca's tantrum.
Star Wars strength has never been about massive setups and continuity snarl. The only real Surprise was just a come-outta-nowhere reveal, but it's not like the original Star Wars had created a massive tease in A New Hope about what Luke's legacy was.
8/10. Can't wait to watch again
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Humiliates? He humiliates Kylo Ren in front of his men, sure, but there's a small strike force there. How is that a complete humiliation of the First Order? And inspires a new generation? There's so few people who see that they can all fit in a space pickup truck. And he just bought them a couple minutes of time. He didn't actually fight them, they still have military superiority, all he did was prank a guy. How is that more inspiring than blowing up a planet-sized superweapon? How is that the greatest use of a Force power (again, he bought two minutes and pranked Kylo Ren, that was all he accomplished)?
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One throughline from Force Awakens and into Last Jedi was that the First Order military does not like or respect Kylo Ren. They served him because he served Snoke, And they feared his power. I'd assumed that with Snoke dead, and Kylo Ren humiliated by that. We'd get a schism between those military loyalists, and those that followed Kylo, most likely the Knights of Ren or other fanatics.
But in this film it's like the military just forgot that hate him.
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This this this this.
Kylo ren deserved NO redemption. Forcing it that hes good because he has a Sad Emotion once is so lazy and banal, and specifically the abusive boyfriend/ex/creepy unwajted suitor angle is MUCH better for him to take, if you play out the relation between him and Rey as schoolyard taunting (in TFA) more standard hanging out followed by going on a date, then Rey breaking it off because Kylo is a creepy manchild who is no good for her (TLJ) followed by being harrassed and berated by him until he dies/is killed.
(Also imo showing Chewie truly become Rey's Father Figure who doesnt die wouldve been perfect imo, considering how supportive hes been to her throughout the whole process)
Finn's arc in the first two movies was basically learning to care more about the reballion, from wanting to keep his first friend ever (Rey) safe, to wanting to destroy the first order for the evil that they do, to knowing his motivation to do so is to protect his new friends and family, to what in your post here described as being a full on Leader and inspiration in the reballion, than just a follower.
Of course all the other characters can get their arcs done in there as well too, all of My Ships exclusively getting canon (ReyXFinnXPoeXRose polycule dont @ me) and other stuff but that post would be way too long and i dont see a Disney cheque coming in any time soon.Despite everything, its still me.
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Because the movie *specifically shows* that the story of it is *everywhere*, and presumably growing in the telling. Slave children on Canto Bight are play-acting it, and they don't see it as a prank, they see it as a lone man stopping an entire military force in its tracks. Not to mention, one of the men who directly witnessed that humiliation was General Hux, the top military leader of the First Order who already disrespected Kylo--and indeed that was one thing the new movie tried to pay off, with him becoming a mole to spite Kylo. In a movie more interested in trying to actually follow up on TLJ, that has al the makings for a civil war within the ranks of the First Order--even if Hux wasn't actively trying to depose Kylo, Kylo would be exactly in the headspace to preemptively turn on Hux out of paranoia..
I never took the fact of the distress call not being responded to as meaning there was no one to hear it, but rather that allies were there, but either thought that trying to intervene on Crait would be a fool's errand, or felt cowed by the days old *destruction of the entire star system of the Republic government.*
Heck, if you think focusing on rebuilding forces would take up too much of a new movie, do a time skip between films, and then you can release, say, an animated series about the Mllennium Falcon staying one step ahead of the FIrst Order while righting wrongs and building new alliances.Take my love, take my land
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That’s how people work though.
The 300 Spartans died at Thermopylae, they were a roadbump of 5 days total on the expansion of the Persian forces. And they failed, weren’t even the largest force there. But everyone has heard of them.
And this was not just a one off event in history it repeats. The nameless Viking of Stamford Bridge is still known and respected today.
And probably the most relevant example Le Bon Chevalier. Pierre Terrail at the battle of Garigliano. He stood alone against two hundred Spanish and protected the French retreat. And it made him a living legend. It didn’t matter the Spanish won that battle. The Pope wanted to meet Terrail because his last stand was such a powerful piece of martial prowess and propaganda.
Luke stood alone against the forces of evil and allowed the last remnant of freedom to escape. That story will stick. That the Rebels also destroyed a super weapon and lost about all of their fleet a day later. That will be a muddled confusing message to send. But the last stand of Luke Skywalker will be told for years.
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Are they? Or were they just play acting Luke Skywalker in general, who is already a legendary figure per Rey in TFA?
That one planet was the only thing we were shown, and so far as I remember (and I could be wrong here), the only intelligible part of their bit was "Luke Skywalker." Thats not a very good showing of "everywhere was this shown." RotJ special edition version whatever did it by showing various planets celebrating the Emperor's demise. TLJ did... one. Theres a voice over, but that's telling, not showing.
People also work by size and spectacle. Hannibal crossing the alps with elephants. Luke Skywalker facing down a dozen walkers is not as impressive as a small group of fighters blowing up a planet. That is the 300 Spartans moment.Last edited by Peelee; 2019-12-23 at 12:22 PM.
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Yep, especially since because of magic physics everybody saw Hosnian Prime blow up, but we don't know that everybody saw Starkiller blow up.
There is a time-skip (one year apparently) and the movie has way more people (and ships) in the Resistance than at the end of TLJ so you may get your wish.
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Oh! Bayard sans peur et sans reproches! So that's what he did!
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You should see Texas!
For reals, though, I meant the Resistance. The group that would actually disseminate knowledge of that defeat.
Mucho appreciado! I retract my previous statement and now just call it the movie congratulating itself at the end there. I'll accept it, but call it poorly done.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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Eh. I mean I'm pretty sure fewer of those walkers busted open the Rebel base on Hoth. While galactic body sized super weapons seem predisposed to be blowing up by fighters. It's already happened twice before in living memory at this point.
Now, destroying the super weapon would have been the 300 Spartans moment, if it hadn't been for the events of TLJ. Remember, this is happening really close together. The 300 Spartans sacrificing their lives is important because it allowed 1) Athens to be abandoned. And 2) the rest of the Greek land forces time to unite together. If the 300 died and the next day the Persians conquered Sparta then we likely would not remember that battle.
Hannibal is similar actually. Him crossing the Alps with his elephants is only remembered positively because he then won the battle of Trebia (and the others of course). If he had lost, crossing the Alps likely would have ended up as a saying for hubris.Last edited by Dienekes; 2019-12-23 at 01:01 PM.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker [Spoilers Ahoy!]
Starkiller Base blew up the Hosnian system, which housed the New Republic at the time. That's a major incident. Then, within the same day, the Resistance finds out where it is and blows it up. That's enormous! Then Snoke dies a few hours later when his ship is destroyed. That's Alderaan, the Death Star, and the Emperor all going up over the weekend. Enormous events happening, all of which have galactic importance, and then... A guy standing in front of walkers.
Yeah. That's not the 300 moment, I'm tellin ya. The whole thing, maybe. But just that one scene? Hell no.Last edited by Peelee; 2019-12-23 at 01:04 PM.
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