What Character’s Backstory Was Replaced in OtOoPCs?

[hamishspence]

For example: Sigdi, both figuratively and literally. And Hilgya, maybe.

It's made crystal clear in Utterly Dwarfed that Sigdi is not a lousy parent. She's very charismatic, and Durkon is very conformist.

But that doesn't make her parenting bad.

[Darth Paul]

It could be argued (and I think Rich made something like this point) that Durkon's complete devotion to her was a large element in his selflesssness and lack of definition as a character. While a child might be so utterly devoted to a bad parent, it's more likely to happen in the case of an awesome one- like Sigdi.

In fact, Sigdi evolved to be a sort of matriarch/ mother substitute/ best friend/ all of the above/ to a huge clan, as we saw at the end of Utterly Dwarfed, who all came to her aid enthusiastically when called. Contrast this to Tarquin, the bad parent, who had to order his friends, make deals, and call in favors to get their help when he needed it, and whose family relations are all, in the end, based on power, not love and respect.

[Synesthesy]

In fact, Sigdi evolved to be a sort of matriarch/ mother substitute/ best friend/ all of the above/ to a huge clan, as we saw at the end of Utterly Dwarfed, who all came to her aid enthusiastically when called. Contrast this to Tarquin, the bad parent, who had to order his friends, make deals, and call in favors to get their help when he needed it, and whose family relations are all, in the end, based on power, not love and respect.

This is also a charismatic good character vs a charismatic evil character. Caring about other people is still a good trait, after all.

[Ruck]

V is female

Also not correct.

[Synesthesy]

Also not correct.

The fact is that we know for the word of the author what is V's gender, it only change how you call it in your culture. So arguing it is stupid, IMHO, and in the same time we can see V's gender (or should we say, V's sex?) whatever we see it.

My point is that saying that V is X because Y has no value at all.

[Sir_Norbert]

Funny, you would have thought, if that were actually true, then at the very least the Index of the Giant's Comments would have caught wind of it.

[Schroeswald]

V is genderqueer, we’ve seen Rich write in a book that it is so, it’s in BRitF, I’m just too lazy to find the place someone transcribed it.

[Dire_Flumph]

V is genderqueer, we’ve seen Rich write in a book that it is so, it’s in BRitF, I’m just too lazy to find the place someone transcribed it.

Got ya covered. Believe this is what you were referring to. From BRitF, commentary before 918:

"In this way, Tarquin is also symbolic of an older time when stories were likely to be more formulaic or clichéd—and less diverse. It’s no accident that he’s a wealthy old straight white man losing his marbles over the fact that the tale he is experiencing doesn’t focus on the other straight white man at the expense of the black man, the woman, the genderqueer person, and even the Latino guest star."

[InvisibleBison]

V is genderqueer, we’ve seen Rich write in a book that it is so, it’s in BRitF, I’m just too lazy to find the place someone transcribed it.

The problem with taking this quote to mean that V is genderqueer is that is also would mean that Julio is Latino, and we know that real world ethnicities don't exist in Ootsworld, so that interpretation can't be correct. It seems to me that the Giant is describing his characters using the real-world terms that most closely resemble their actual identities, not providing definite information about what the characters ethnic or gender identities actually are.

[Peelee]

The problem with taking this quote to mean that V is genderqueer is that is also would mean that Julio is Latino, and we know that real world ethnicities don't exist in Ootsworld, so that interpretation can't be correct.

Not necessarily true. We know Japan doesn't exist in Stickworld. I choose to believe that Latino people in Stickworld are from wherever Julio is from, and the etymologies are unrelated.

[Schroeswald]

The problem with taking this quote to mean that V is genderqueer is that is also would mean that Julio is Latino, and we know that real world ethnicities don't exist in Ootsworld, so that interpretation can't be correct. It seems to me that the Giant is describing his characters using the real-world terms that most closely resemble their actual identities, not providing definite information about what the characters ethnic or gender identities actually are.

Ao? Tell me that the people from Azure City don’t count as real Asian characters or that Julio doesn’t count as Latino cause it’s a fantasy world and I’ll laugh at you, that’s how I’ll describe their ethnicities because that’s what they are, there’s no real difference between a group of Asian characters in I dunno, the MCU, and a group in OOTS in terms of what they’re ethnicities are. Also Haley is called a woman, does that mean this doesn’t definitely state her gender identity? Of course not, that’d be dumb. Also, if the closest real world term to V’s gender identity is genderqueer, then V is genderqueer, and V definitely isn’t male or female if they’re close to genderqueer than being male or female.
Also of the varieties of genderqueer V is agender, because that’s the most obvious fit.

[Emanick]

Ao? Tell me that the people from Azure City don’t count as real Asian characters or that Julio doesn’t count as Latino cause it’s a fantasy world and I’ll laugh at you, that’s how I’ll describe their ethnicities because that’s what they are, there’s no real difference between a group of Asian characters in I dunno, the MCU, and a group in OOTS in terms of what they’re ethnicities are. Also Haley is called a woman, does that mean this doesn’t definitely state her gender identity? Of course not, that’d be dumb. Also, if the closest real world term to V’s gender identity is genderqueer, then V is genderqueer, and V definitely isn’t male or female if they’re close to genderqueer than being male or female.
Also of the varieties of genderqueer V is agender, because that’s the most obvious fit.

I think this is basically a semantic distinction without much substance. Would Azurites describe themselves as Asian? No. Would Julio describe himself as Latino? Also no, probably (I can't rule out the possibility that he'd do so while making a Dashing Swordsman quip that broke the fourth wall). And maybe V wouldn't identify as genderqueer, either. As someone who literally does not usually pay attention to pronouns and "forget[s] about these kinds of distinctions," I doubt that hir vocabulary includes such a term (which, to be clear, is something I never thought I'd say about V).

All the same, I'd say that all of the above count as representation for said groups, because they're obviously supposed to correspond to them in the real world (at the bare minimum visually, if not culturally - I wouldn't argue with a Latinx reader who refused to consider Julio Latino because s/he considers the term a cultural one as well as a visual one).

tl;dr: Whether characters in the comic count as "real" Asian/Latino/other Earth-based-term characters largely depends on whether you're thinking of things in-universe or out-of-universe. We may not be able to use those terms to describe their view of themselves, but we can certainly use them to describe them for representational purposes when considering their real-world significance.

[Precure]

Also not correct.

Isn't "female" refers to someone's sex, not their gender?

[Emanick]

Isn't "female" refers to someone's sex, not their gender?

While I'm sure that's a view held by some people - opinions about sex and gender terminology vary enormously - it's frequently used to describe gender as well, including by entities such as the American Heritage Dictionary, the World Health Organization and GLAAD.

[KorvinStarmast]

Spoiler: Haley's secret per strip 309

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I cheat at solitaire.

The detailed scenes in which she did this, and why she did this, may well be what was left out ... and it will have an impact at the last gate!

[Aidan]

Isn't "female" refers to someone's sex, not their gender?

Not necessarily, but we also have not been told what either V's gender or sex is, so the distinction is unnecessary as it is information we don't have either way.

[Jasdoif]

Alternately, he might just send you directly to jail, like a bolt out of the blue. It'd give you quite an arc.

I'd like to see the copper try.

The blue would like you to see the copper try, too; on the off chance you might be prepared for acid instead of electricity.

[Peelee]

The blue would like you to see the copper try, too; on the off chance you might be prepared for acid instead of electricity.

Quit draggin' others into this and conduct yourself!

[Jasdoif]

Quit draggin' others into this and conduct yourself!

Feeling like you've been orchestrated into being typecast?

[Themrys]

I think it was less the kids being a shock reveal and more how crappy a parent V is.

That didn't surprise me at all. It was perfectly in keeping with V's behaviour in the comic.

The only thing that shocked me was the black dragon attacking Inky and the kids. Up to that point, there wasn't any shock.

@Aidan: V clearly implies that s/he couldn't care less about what pronouns people use, which makes it pretty clear that V does not have a gender identity. So we know that.

What we don't know is V's sex.