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Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
Welcome back to the Iron Chef Optimization Challenge E6 Appetizer Edition! Credit to DeTess for suggesting a really oddball but very intriguing theme for this round.
The form of this challenge is to take a particular D&D 3.5 game element (our "secret ingredient," or SI) and turn it into a functional E6 build, which must feature the SI as heavily as possible. (The only hard rule about this is that you must take at least one level—where applicable—in the SI, though judges are encouraged to look favorably on builds that take as many levels as possible in said SI or that otherwise use it as heavily as possible.) Your final build submission should consist of your 6 regular levels and your first 10 epic bonus feats, though providing a snapshot at earlier points through the progression is heartily encouraged. Entries are to be PM'd to the Chair (that would be me!), and they will be posted anonymously; our volunteer judges will then grade each build on a 1-5 point scale in four categories: Originality, Power, Elegance, and Use of the Secret Ingredient. The builds with the highest three scores will be awarded medals, with the Honorable Mention award going to the non-medaling build that the Chair likes best and/or that receives the most votes for HM in this thread. (HM may not always be awarded, particularly if the number of builds is very small.) And then we all have cake!*
*Note: You must provide your own cake.
This is basically like the regular Iron Chef, and let's be brutally honest with ourselves here: this isn't a gargantuan community, and we basically all know what we're talking about at this point. Make the builds, send 'em in, post some scores, and have fun. If you've got questions, lemme know. Still, let's lay out a few rules!
- Cooking Time: Builds must be submitted via PM to the Chair by 4:59 PM GMT - 9 on Thursday, January 23, 2020 (1:59 AM GMT on Friday, January 24). The reveal shall be on the first evening the Chair has free following the cooking deadline, which is hoped to be that evening or the immediately subsequent one—I'll do my best, anyway. Judging is then encouraged to go as quickly as possible; if multiple judges volunteer, we'll set about a two-week window, but if we only get one judge, we'll try to wrap up as soon as possible after that judge presents scores. (I will admit that the deadline time may not be an exact science, but don't hide from me and we'll probably be cool.)
- Kitchen: Let's break this one down a bit.
Spoiler: Let's talk about sources
- ALLOWED: Almost all D&D 3.5 material published by WotC: Core, Completes, monster books, Races Of books, alternate power source books (Expanded Psionics Handbook, Magic of Incarnum, Tome of Battle, Tome of Magic, etc.), Spell Compendium, Book of Exalted Deeds, Book of Vile Darkness, Eberron material, Forgotten Realms material, and other WotC-published 3.5 material. (This list is NOT exhaustive and there are many other legal books that I did not mention by name!)
- ALLOWED: Material from the 3.5 archives of the Wizards of the Coast website (including, but not limited to, the Mind's Eye articles). If you use it, link it.
- ALLOWED: Official errata from WotC. If you're relying on this in a material fashion, it's a good idea to link it and to discuss it.
- NOT ALLOWED: Unofficial errata, including "class fixes" (regardless of the source, including from the original author if not published in a WotC book) or fan-created content.
- ALLOWED: Unupdated WotC-published 3.0 material (e.g., Sword and Fist, Masters of the Wild, etc.) except for 3.0 psionics. No 3.0 psionics allowed. If you are using 3.0 material, use the general-purpose skill updates (Wilderness Lore becomes Survival, Innuendo becomes Bluff, etc.) and the general-purpose rules updates (spells with a casting time of "1 action" become "1 standard action," etc.) when appropriate.
- NOT ALLOWED: 3.0 material for which a direct 3.5 update exists. Use the updated material instead.
- ALLOWED: Dragon Compendium and its errata.
- NOT ALLOWED: Content from Dragon Magazine and/or Dungeon Magazine unless said content appears in an otherwise allowed source.
- ALLOWED: Oriental Adventures, including the 3.5 update to Oriental Adventures from Dragon Magazine #318. This is a specific exception to the "no Dragon" rule!
- NOT ALLOWED: Pathfinder content, regardless of whether it is "D&D 3.5 OGL" or not. If it didn't come from WotC, we don't want it.
- ALLOWED: From Unearthed Arcana: racial paragon classes, alternate class features/variant classes, spelltouched feats, and variant races. (Traits and flaws are technically legal, but traits warrant a -0.5 point penalty in Elegance, and flaws warrant a -1 penalty in Elegance.)
- NOT ALLOWED: Other Unearthed Arcana content, including (but not limited to) bloodlines, LA buyoff, fractional BAB/saves, alternate casting systems, alternate skill systems, item familiars, prestigious character classes, generic classes, gestalt, etc. When you're wondering if UA content is allowed, err on the side of caution and don't mess around with it.
- NOT ALLOWED: Leadership, regardless of source. Game elements functionally equivalent to Leadership (including, but not limited to, Dragon Cohort, Undead Leadership, and Thrallherd) are similarly banned. (Familiars, Improved Familiar, animal companions, Wild Cohort, psicrystals, elemental envoys, and similar game elements are allowed, and they are not considered to be "Leadership." If the difference isn't obvious, feel free to contact the Chair with specific questions.)
- NOT ALLOWED: Third-party content, homebrew, or other non-WotC content.
- NOT ALLOWED: Epic feats from the Epic Level Handbook. Just because you're "epic" in E6 after 6th level doesn't mean that you're that kind of epic.
- NOT ALLOWED: Any race or template with a level adjustment other than +0. (Or any other source of LA other than a race or template, if any such things exist.)
- NOT ALLOWED: For our judges: penalizing solely based on legal sources used, regardless of whether those sources are plentiful, sparse, common, obscure, or something in between. If the material is legal, then it doesn't matter how many or how few books it came out of.
- ALLOWED: Also for our judges: penalizing for using a source (other than material in Core; don't be vindictive about genuinely obvious stuff) that isn't listed in the build writeup. The chef may choose to present the sources in-line with the text, in a consolidated source list, or somewhere else, but if the source is listed (and is otherwise legal), it counts. If the source is not listed, you may choose to penalize for that.
If you have questions about anything in this section (or hell, in this ruleset), feel free to ask the Chair.
- Character Creation: 32 point buy is assumed. For the purposes of this contest, Level Adjustment greater than +0 is banned. (This may be revised at a later point, but I don't feel that the E6 LA rules are conducive to fun in the context of this contest.) No more than two entries per chef per contest, please; if you submit two builds and somehow are so overcome with inspiration for a third that you can't help yourself, PM me and tell me which two you care about the most.
- Highlighted because of past issues: It is not enough for your build to end with a level adjustment of +0. You must be +0 from start to finish. No using ANY build elements with a level adjustment above +0, even if they then get mitigated or reduced somehow.
- Speculation: Please do not post any form of speculation before the reveal. Just don't do it, guys. It's not cool. This means NOT posting any of the following or anything substantially similar: what you think is going to be common, significant elements of your planned build or of other potential builds, or anything else that could directly influence someone else's build choices for good or for ill. (It's acceptable to ask for rules clarifications as appropriate, but try to avoid tipping your hand too much.) Speculation is bad because it can discourage people from posting builds and can also "taint the judging pool" when it comes to Originality, so please just try to be aware of how other people might react to your speculation.
- E6: Here's how E6 works for the purposes of this contest. Build your character normally for the first six levels. After you reach level 6, you stop gaining levels and start gaining bonus feats every time you would gain 5,000 XP. Since we aren't actually tracking XP, you'll basically list your first ten epic bonus feats in the order that you take them, and we think of them as being kind of like levels. We will not use the LA-equals-reduced-point-buy rules, instead preferring to just ban races with LA, at least for now. We will not use the "capstone feats"; all feats that you take must be normal legal 3.5 feats, not homebrew E6 ones. You may not use the Epic feats from the Epic Level Handbook, though if for some reason there are non-Epic feats from the ELH that you qualify for, you may take those. (I don't think there are any, but I'm sure someone will prove me wrong.) It is up to the discretion of each judge whether this is a "hard E6" (magic above 3rd level spells is simply beyond mortal reach, items that have a listed CL above 6th are just plain not available, etc.) or a "soft E6" (if you can somehow get the magic on your character, it's yours, regardless of level), though I honestly don't expect it to come up. Don't go crazy with making assumptions about items and we probably won't have to find out.
- Presentation: Please use the table found below in the spoiler. List your epic bonus feats (in clear order) after the table. If you find a clever way of formatting that that isn't annoying and that doesn't break anything, have fun; if it's portable, I may steal it for the next round. When sending your build or any disputes to the Chair, clearly include your build's name in the subject of the PM, and please present your build exactly as you want the Chair to copy and paste it into the thread.
If you're using a picture, cite the source and follow any relevant citation rules. Because we have had issues with this in the past, when listing your skills, please make it very clear how many ranks you have at each level. There are multiple ways to do this and we do not wish to cramp anyone's individual style by dictating exactly how this must look, but make sure that somewhere in your entry there's an explanation of how many actual skill ranks you have. It's still fine to list total skill bonuses, if that's your style, but don't only list bonuses; make sure that there is a clear listing somewhere of your ranks alone.SpoilerCode for the table:Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features 1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities Spoiler[table="class: head alt1 alt2"]
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[/tr][/table] - Contest houserules: Nearly the same as the main contest's rules here: all creatures are proficient with natural weapons they have or may acquire, bonus feats that are explicitly granted without meeting prereqs are usable even without those prereqs, and feats that affect which skills are class skills for you and/or how you spend your skill points (Able Learner, Martial Study, Truename Training, Apprentice, etc.) apply immediately at the level at which you take them (even though you normally spend skill points before taking a feat). When taking Open Minded as an epic feat, any skill that has ever been a class skill for you (including through your class, your race, your feats, or similar game elements, though please don't muck around with retroactively making something stop being a class skill for some stupid reason) is a class skill when determining how the 5 granted skill points may be spent. All usual rules about HD-related skill caps apply. When taking Open Minded as a non-epic feat, treat it as normal; the class skills of the class you took at the level you gained Open Minded (plus race, feats, etc.) are your class skills for those skill points, similar to if Open Minded's skill points came straight from your class.
- Judging guidelines: The minimum score in a category is 1, and the maximum is 5. Judges are expected to be fair, consistent, and open-minded, and they are expected to make a good-faith effort to engage with any reasonable disputes that arise, especially when RAW is in question. That said, contestants are asked to not dispute more than necessary; let's do everything in good faith and really only dispute when a judge is being inconsistent, being unfair, or is otherwise grossly misinterpreting a build.
Judges may not penalize Originality solely because a build is a tribute or homage to an existing creative work (in or out of D&D canon; note that this is not the same thing as penalizing Originality for using well-known optimization tactics), nor may judges penalize based solely on sources used (whether those sources are plentiful, sparse, common, obscure, or something in between, you should judge the build elements and how they work together rather than what book or what books they came out of, as long as those books are legal for this contest and are cited in the entry).
As with the main contest, we will follow the "One Mistake, One Penalty" guideline, and it is very important that the judges adhere to it. I'm going to directly copy and paste this from the main thread, and hopefully the original author won't mind too much:
SpoilerJudges are only allowed to penalise once for a given mistake. If someone messes up their skills and doesn't qualify for a PrC, ding them as hard as you like. Once. In one category. You don't then get to declare that because they didn't qualify for that PrC, they don't get those levels, and thus don't qualify for anything else. If Ranger is a common ingredient, ding them for Originality. Once. Don't also take off points for Two-Weapon-Fighting being a common ingredient.
Non-exhaustive list of examples:
SkillsAllowed:
- Giving a penalty for miscalculating the number of skill points gained
- Giving a penalty for not having enough ranks to meet a prerequisite
- Increasing the harshness of a skill miscalculation penalty if it affects critical skills including prereqs
Not allowed:
- Giving separate penalties for miscalculating skill points and for non-qualification where the non-qualification is solely caused by the miscalculation
PrereqsAllowed:
- Giving a penalty for not meeting prereqs
- Scaling the penalty depending on how important the item that the build failed to qualify for is
- Giving minimum score in UotSI for not qualifying for the SI
- Not giving credit for (note: not the same as penalising for) tactics using feats or classes other than the SI that were not qualified for (but see below)
Not Allowed:
- "Cascading" failures to qualify - declaring that because a build doesn't qualify for a feat, for example, it also doesn't qualify for anything using that feat as a prereq
- Treating a build as having fewer levels than it does because of FtQ for classes
Other general things that are no longer allowed:
- Penalising because someone has chosen to build a tribute to an existing creative work
- Deciding that a backstory has not met a fluff prerequisite well enough, or because its method of meeting it is "unrealistic". You may penalise if a fluff prereq is not addressed at all, but not for how well it is addressed.
Note that these are protections, not licenses. Deliberately taking a feat that you know you don't qualify for hoping to just suck up the judging penalty for a feat that you couldn't normally take is not okay, and may lead to your build being disqualified. - Dispute guidelines (NEW, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION): Disputing is long, annoying, and emotional. It's also sometimes necessary, but it's often not actually something that makes everyone have more fun. Let's go into a little more detail here.
Spoiler- Do NOT dispute to make an argument that goes fundamentally beyond what's in your write-up. It is the responsibility of the chef to make sure that the write-up is complete and contains their best arguments for what the build does and why it's awesome. If you didn't explain your tactics well or didn't spell out something that a judge misses, just do better next time. Don't drag it out after the fact.
- Do NOT dispute just to be clever or witty or cheeky. Please. We're all adults here and so I assume you know what that means. Don't treat the build as a setup and your oh-so-clever dispute as the punchline. It's not as funny as it is in your head. Trust me. I've been down that road.
- Do NOT dispute just to say "oh yeah, my bad, I missed that" or some equivalent. If you're not directly challenging the judge, save the commentary until after the reveal. I 100% get that the urge to respond to commentary is very strong, but type it out and sit on it for a while if you've gotta.
- Do NOT dispute just to try to wheedle more points out of the judge. Note that this is different from saying that the judge is being truly unfair or is being truly wrong by black-and-white RAW. A dispute is NOT the place to try to scrape together a few last quarter-points. If you didn't put it in your write-up, that's on you. This also means that a dispute is really not the place to have long back-and-forth tit-for-tat arguments. That's a surefire way to get people grumpy. It's a contest on a D&D board, guys, not the results of a federal election.
- Do NOT dispute to tear down another build. That's just plain not cool. If you entered the contest, it's not on you to judge the other builds.
- DO dispute if the judge is being blatantly biased by giving you a substantially different ruling on a build element compared to another chef who used the same build element in nearly the same way. (Note that position in a build may affect if you're using that element in "nearly the same way" or not.) Please reserve this for the truly blatant examples. I mean it. Remember, it's the contestant's responsibility to make their best argument in the original write-up.
- DO dispute if the judge is actively going against the contest rules. Note that there are relatively few ways in which a judge can go against contest rules (we intentionally give very wide discretion to our judges), but examples include truly breaking One Mistake One Penalty, penalizing just because of number of sources of (legal) material, and so on.
- DO dispute if the judge is clearly ignoring unambiguous RAW. Note that this is for unambiguous RAW; if the RAW is shady and you're making an argument that isn't completely clear and that it wouldn't be strange for a GM to frown on, the judge has every right to frown on it as well. (You generally know when you're indulging in shady RAW. Be mature about this.) But if the judge is saying you didn't hit a prereq that you clearly did hit (and included in your write-up!), saying you can't do something that the plain text of the ability says you can do, or anything like that, by all means, call 'em out.
- Do NOT dispute if the judge doesn't agree with your interpretation of ambiguous RAW. Yes, this is a retread of the previous bullet point; this is that important. If you're relying on ambiguous RAW, it's on you to lay out clearly why it should work the way you want it to work. Again, be mature and act in good faith: you really know when you're pushing things like this. If they don't like it, they don't like it. Move on.
Disputing is a privilege, not a right. In the Chair's sole discretion, disputes that do not meet these guidelines and/or that do not seem to be offered in good faith may be suppressed. The Chair reserves the right to choose to post all, some, or none of a dispute if appropriate.
- Other bits and bobs: If there's something major and relevant I haven't mentioned, assume that the way I handle it will probably be the same as the main contest unless stated otherwise or unless doing so would be an obviously absurd result. If you've got questions, I'll give you answers.
This round's secret ingredient:
DRAGONMARKS, from Eberron Campaign Setting and similar!
Allez Optimizer!
Hang on, run that by me again:
This round's ingredient is a dragonmark. You must have a dragonmark (at a minimum, Least and Lesser) and your build will be judged on how well you use and showcase that dragonmark. Which means that the ingredient is not a class and not even a specific category of feats: it's a game element that has an awful lot behind it. You are required to have at least two feats, but of course, going above and beyond is likely to be a much better choice than not doing that.
RULINGS SPECIFIC TO ROUND 22:
- Q1: Which text is primary, the sidebar in PGtE pg. 47 that says "the bloodlines of the dragonmarked houses only manifest in the most common subraces" (e.g., you can't be a wood elf and take Mark of Shadow since only a high elf is considered the most common subrace) or the text in other books (including but not limited to Unearthed Arcana and Dragon Magic) that says, paraphrased, 'members of this subrace are otherwise identical to the race found in the PHB'?
- A1: For the purposes of this contest and to keep things interesting, I'm making the determination that it's more fun to let members of subraces that have language like "identical to the PHB version except as stated here" to still qualify for dragonmarks. That's not likely to be RAW, but considering how hard I had to work to find the citation on pg. 47 of PGtE anyway, I think it'll be more fun to keep it open.
- Q2: What about changelings with Racial Emulation?
- A2: Ugh, really? Can you not, please? Let's just cut off the arguments and say that for the purposes of this contest we won't let Racial Emulation qualify you for dragonmarks because I'm sick of those arguments and don't want to deal with them. I don't care if it's RAW.
- Q3: Are we doing the whole action point thing?
- A3: You're just making this difficult on me, aren't you? And by "you" I mean the imaginary version of you who might theoretically ask such a thing. Basically, here's the skinny: action points are a very fluid and GM-dependent thing, so it's hard to be elegant about assumptions regarding how many you'll have (and how many you'll need) in the format of a contest dish. The only reason I'm even mentioning it at all is because there's a few well-known dragonmark-related game elements that mention action points, so I'm anticipating the discussion. Basically, if you don't have any game elements that explicitly mention AP, you'll likely be best off just not making a big deal about them. If you do have such game elements and therefore kind of can't avoid talking about AP, we'll acknowledge that it's a thing, but since the GM's XP schedule determines when you refresh AP, it will probably be in your best interest to not act like you can blow 4 AP a day and keep that sustainable. The judge or judges are who you need to impress with your argument, not me.
- Q4: Do aberrant dragonmarks count as a valid iteration of the secret ingredient?
- A4: Yeah, sure, go for it.
The Builds:
Build Race Final Stub Dragonmark Score Author Position Gareth d'Orien Human Monk 4/Dragonmark Heir 1/Blade of Orien 1 Passage 15.5 MinimanMidget First Avia Tharashk Human Human Paragon 2/Beguiler 2/Watch Detective 2 Finding 15 DeTess Second Movedb Yothers Human Human Paragon 1/Crusader 3/Dragonmark Heir 2 Sentinel 14.5 Quentinas Third Mikael Jorasco Strongheart Halfling Crusader 6 Healing 14 DeTess Fourth Taelan d'Thuranni Dragonborn Elf Rogue 1/Scout 4/Fighter 1 Shadow 14 MinimanMidget Fourth Ursula d'Tarkanan Strongheart Halfling Druid 4/Child of Khyber 2 Aberrant 14 Falontani Fourth Uskollinen Koira Hound Archon Hound Archon 6 Aberrant 13 thorr-kan Seventh
Spoiler: Contest History
Round 4: Knight
Round 5: Ninja
Round 6: Racial Paragon Classes
Round 7: Hexblade
Round 8: Shugenja
Round 9: Swashbuckler
Round 10: Crusader
Round 11: Soulknife
Round 12: Factotum
Round 13: Prestige Classes
Round 14: Mountebank
Round 15: Sorcerer
Round 16: Dragon Shaman
Round 17: Lurk
Round 18: Paladin
Round 19: Scout
Round 20: Incarnate
Round 21: Shadowcaster
Spoiler: Way Old Stuff (2012 and earlier; Amechra's run as Chair)Last edited by Zaq; 2020-04-26 at 08:13 PM.
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Yes! I'm (obviously) down to cook for this one!
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I have an idea, but I don't really like it. It'll definitely work, it's just...eh. Hopefully I'll come up with something to make it more appealing or something completely different.
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This round will be difficult for me it is not an easy ingredient i never used the dragonmark
Finally my computer is without any problem!
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You've entered my domain, how can I not enter? But geez there are so many good options here! I was just looking through weird combos with these again due to a homebrew thing (that I unfortunately can't use here) that I made related to the Dragonmarks. Gahhhh should I do
[REDACTED] with the Dragonmark of [REDACTED] and abuse [REDACTED]?
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[REDACTED] with the Dragonmark of [REDACTED] and just go crazy?
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Shiny.
I like the aberrant qualification.
E6 and the Least/Lesser requirements mean no Siberys shenanigans. I'm looking forward to this.
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As a side note for anyone who's interested, Keith Baker (Eberron's creator), has A LOT of homebrew dragonmark stuff that's fascinating. Not useable at all for this Challenge, but worth reading for its own sake.
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Does anyone else keep finding that they need just one more level to make things work?
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my trouble is choosing a dragonmark to focus on. So many seem so wimpy, even with additional feat support and due to the nature of dragonmarks, my workarounds for the skill rank issues simply cannot operate.
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I've got one build in, now let's see if I can find the time to make a second one.
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Reminder: deadline is this coming Thursday!
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Build submitted. I have 2 other ideas, but I doubt either of them will coalesce into a build by Thursday.
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Roughly 72 hours remain!
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Level with me, folks. I don’t have enough entries. How long do you need?
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2020-01-22, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
I can put another build together tonight.
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2020-01-22, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
Prooooooooooocrastination! Build submitted. And I have an hour to spare! But no, for realsies, I'm sorry Zaq. I said I'd get it done and I should have just did the whole thing when I said I was going to, not send it in just barely before the deadline.
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2020-01-23, 02:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
Of you give me 12 hours or about that i can submit a build
PS build submitted inspiration has struck and i had some free time to create the buildLast edited by Quentinas; 2020-01-23 at 06:10 AM.
Finally my computer is without any problem!
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2020-01-24, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
Sorry. My schedule has exploded. I’ll check back on the contest in probably a few(?) days. Keep sending builds if you like. I legit don’t even know if I have enough right now. Love you all. I’ll be fine—just kinda swamped right now.
Just a few more months until I finish grad school...Last edited by Zaq; 2020-01-24 at 02:37 PM.
In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
My compiled Iron Chef stuff!
~ Gay all day, queer all year ~
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2020-02-25, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
Weeeee're baaaaaack!
Sorry I didn't post immediately as soon as the forums returned, folks! I was out playing the taiko at Matsuri all weekend (well, trying to, at least; the rain interfered on Saturday) and then recovering dead on Monday. But here we are!
No witty commentary this time, sorry. Just wanna get this show on the road. Here we go: seven builds incoming!In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
My compiled Iron Chef stuff!
~ Gay all day, queer all year ~
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2020-02-25, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Avia Tharashk
Build the first!
Originally Posted by Avia Tharashk
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Gareth d'Orien
Build the second!
Originally Posted by Gareth d'Orien
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2020-02-25, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Mikael Jorasco
Build the third!
Originally Posted by Mikael Jorasco
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Movedb Yothers
Build the fourth!
Originally Posted by Movedb Yothers
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Taelan d'Thuranni
Build the fifth!
Originally Posted by Taelan d'Thuranni
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2020-02-25, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ursula d'Tarkanan
Build the sixth!
Originally Posted by Ursula d'Tarkanan
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2020-02-25, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Uskollinen Koira
Last but not least, build the seventh!
Originally Posted by Uskollinen Koira
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2020-02-25, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
Whew! Worth the wait, I'm sure, but I'm very glad we're not waiting any more.
Whoooooooo's judging?In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
My compiled Iron Chef stuff!
~ Gay all day, queer all year ~
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2020-02-25, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
Wow! Five dragonmarks and two aberrant dragonmarks, and no double ups. That is a very nice spread.
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2020-02-25, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge: E6 Appetizer Edition (Round XXII)
I've gone over the class sources, and there are a couple of things taken from the, unfortunately now defunct, WoTC archives. These pages have been archived on the wayback machine, which I'll list here for ease of reference for any judges.
Wild cohort(Avia Tharashk & Gareth d'Orien): https://web.archive.org/web/20190722...d/re/20031118a
Druid ACF(Ursula d'Tarkanan): https://web.archive.org/web/20190813...d/we/20070228a
Child of khyber(Ursula d'Tarkanan): https://web.archive.org/web/20180804...ebds/20070416aJasnah avatar by Zea Mays