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Thread: Order of the Stick: November II
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2005-11-28, 02:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hey, I was trying not to break Godwin's Law! :p
But anyway, lawful good is quite capable of at least tolerating crimes against sentient life.
Ever read/play any of the Planescape supplements? The Harmonium more or less got together and committed ethnic cleansing against the elves and the pixies and the other chaotic races on their home planet. Sure, perhaps the lawful evil members enjoyed doing it the most, but nothing indicated that Lawful Good objected to what happened.
Heck, in one of the Planescape supplements, you have to go rescue a Nic'Epona or two from Lawful Good antagonists. No, the Nic'Epona aren't evil, they were being experimented on or something.\"All that I have ever loved in life has been lost to me forever. Never again shall I give into the delusion of love, for all that I love is anathema. All that remains of me is an image of a young girl not yet lost, for the power of Velsharoon is the power of eternal youth.\" &&&&- Kadislan the White
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2005-11-28, 02:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by DeathQuaker
As warm and fuzzy as it makes me feel to see Roy displaying enough maturity to confront Miko with his feelings and, at the same time deliver a courteous apology for his previous mistreament of her, I do understand Miko's pain. She's been working with people who have, in one form or another, been openly hostile from the day they met (whether it's open combat, sexual harrasment, or getting ridiculously inflated bills for a relatively simple service). Whether or not they have reason to be upset doesn't help with the feeling of isolation. So, Miko at last sees a chance to open up to one of her current companions, only to get the verbal kick in the teeth. Yes, she deserved, and she's smart enough to realize that, which probably just makes it hurt all the more. I sincerely hope that this is a chance for Miko to develop as a character, and maybe we can learn more about her than the stern face she presents to a hostile world.
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2005-11-28, 02:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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She did not "deserve" it. At least, she didn't deserve the delivery. He could have simply said "the feeling has passed" or something.
\"All that I have ever loved in life has been lost to me forever. Never again shall I give into the delusion of love, for all that I love is anathema. All that remains of me is an image of a young girl not yet lost, for the power of Velsharoon is the power of eternal youth.\" &&&&- Kadislan the White
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2005-11-28, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Kadi
How many Stern Moral Pronouncements on every character's actions are needed for each comic, anyway? ::)
Oh, I just know I'm going to enjoy seeing how this works out. ;D
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2005-11-28, 02:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Kadi
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2005-11-28, 02:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, I just realized. In all the bruehaha over the last row of this installment, I think the best line is being overlooked.
"Really? 'Cause I kinda remember assassins being involved."
If anyone else said it, it would probably be taken as sarcasm, but coming from Elan, you know that the statement is absolutely unironic and that he is genuinely confused about what Miko has just said versus his memory of events.
I love Elan. :-)
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2005-11-28, 02:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by LillyThe Cranky Gamer
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2005-11-28, 03:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2005-11-28, 03:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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If the mods take issue with my use of hyperbole, then I shall respect their wishes.
\"All that I have ever loved in life has been lost to me forever. Never again shall I give into the delusion of love, for all that I love is anathema. All that remains of me is an image of a young girl not yet lost, for the power of Velsharoon is the power of eternal youth.\" &&&&- Kadislan the White
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2005-11-28, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Duraska
I understand why she's doing it and sometimes she's even right but it's still understandable why the OoTS are behaving rude to her.
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And since I don't think I'm anywhere near LG, while I like Miko in the comic I probably couldn't stand her for more then a minute if she ever showed up IRL...
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2005-11-28, 03:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Grey WatcherOrth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2005-11-28, 03:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Grey Watcher
\"Ignorance is the night of the mind, but a night without a moon and star.\"&&&&-Confucius&&&&Oriental Adventures: The Cleansing - Kakita Kojiro
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2005-11-28, 03:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Kish
Roy being the one to say this to her hurts not just for the content, but the fact that it's coming from someone she's come to respect and trust, which gives the insult added weight. Out of the Order, Durkon is probably the only other person in any kind of position to deliver a crushing blow like that. And he's too nice a guy to do it. From Elan, Miko could dismiss it as foolishness, from V or Haley, she chalks it up to resentment, from Belkar, she'd probably suspect it was some kind of scam or something, but from Roy, she is forced to consider the horrible possibility that there is something to what he's saying.
At least, that's my screwed-up analysis of it.
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2005-11-28, 03:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
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2005-11-28, 04:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2005-11-28, 05:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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i just think Roy is taking a lesson from belkar, soften up your victim by making them happy before destroying their spirit.
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2005-11-28, 07:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Grey Watcher
I guess we'll see who's right Wednesday. Unless the comic cuts to Xykon now or something, of course. :POrth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2005-11-28, 07:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ouch, burn.
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2005-11-28, 07:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Kadi
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2005-11-28, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Grey Watcheroptimization n : a source of missed opportunity
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2005-11-28, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2005-11-28, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Kish
First he tells soemthing nice so that she lowers her arms and then he delivers a punch to the face. Not a good way if you want someone to listen to what you have to say.
But conflicts are the salt in the soup and the story would be more boring if Roy wouldn't act on his impules. ;)
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2005-11-28, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Gosh don't you just love Elan?
He's so right.
And way to go Roy! Haleys reaction is precicely how I felt :D
As for Miko being right, I disagree. The Order might have done some not so great things (impersonating a king and stuff) but it is as Elan says, the assasins did the blowing up stuff. If it wasn't for the Order, at least one person (a certain king..) would have been killed. Now noone has.
Miko never started out with a good opinion of the order and thus automaticaly thinks everything would be their fault. It's not like she has made any effort to try and get all the specifics.
She just draws her conclusions to fast.
She doesn't even grant them points for trying to help and trying to do the right thing.The Red Army
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2005-11-28, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, Miko deserved that. She's been disrespecting everyone in the party besides maybe Durkon, and she got whats coming to her. She must not care about some Paladin special abilities if charisma was her dump stat, like it seems to be.
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2005-11-28, 08:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, no, NO! The target of the assassins was the king of Nowhere, which wasn't on the inn. The king we've seen is the king of Somewhere. If the Oots had slept on the mud there'd be noone killed.
Originally Posted by Eriol
I've always defended Belkar being CN even when the Giant said he was evil... But Roy, I call shenanigans! Immeadite shift to LE I say. Roy, things aren't done this way.
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2005-11-28, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Tamis
She doesn't even grant them points for trying to help and trying to do the right thing.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2005-11-28, 08:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, that was sweet.
And yes, I will accept that Miko is right. However, there's a lot of justification for the Order's reaction. It's not just that no-one likes a "I told you so" like that, but part of her argument against them is that they should've slept in a muddy ditch with sharp rocks in instead of an inn that was directly opposite on the road. And there are many other reasons why Roy's right that she really is an overbearing self-righteous bitch:
- To start with, the fact that she kicked their butts without even stopping to listen to their side of the story didn't help much.
- Ah, unprompted violence in the third panel of 202.
- Miko insisted without being prompted that the OotS's "filthy lucre" was secured with unLawful means.
- As a prime example of her contempt for Roy's authority and the wellbeing of the party, she awoke that party of ogres and waited for them to finish eating before attacking.
- Do you really think being called "Elf" is something that'd encourage someone to have a nice opinion of her? In fact, Miko has never bothered to learn anyone's names properly.
- In V's words: "she has seized control of this party, to the point where she now feels she can direct us in battle."
- Anyone remember Roy and Miko's little chat about the ethical treatment of prisoners in 223?
- For Christ's sake, she even shouted at a member of the hotel staff for removing the tag from her matress.
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2005-11-28, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Marller
Roy is a warrior. She was pretty much verbally attacking him and his troupe. He'd reached his limit. Roy disarmed his opponent and then dealt the Coup de Grace.
In otherwords - he fought the battle of wits with the strategy of a true MBA. ;)
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2005-11-28, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Kish
(And yes, Belkar did the blowing up stuff. But not on purpose, he was chasing the lawyer. (Of course he would have done the blowing up on purpose if he had been paying attention :))
And I didn't confuse one king with the other, but if Roy hadn't impersonated the king of nowhere the assasins would have waited in the inn for the arrival of the king of nowhere, at which time the order would have left already I believe.
Somehow I doubt the king would survive the assasins. :)
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2005-11-28, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Fire Wolf
[*]Do you really think being called "Elf" is something that'd encourage someone to have a nice opinion of her?
In fact, Miko has never bothered to learn anyone's names properly.
And as modes of address go, "Greenhilt" scores on the politeness scale way above "baby."
I've snipped some of your points without addressing them, as you might conceivably have noticed even if I hadn't mentioned it. :P Yes, Miko certainly has flaws. However, it would be at least as easy to write a thesis on the flaws of any given member of the Order. I think Miko compares favorably to all of them, with the possible exception of Durkon.
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