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Thread: Order of the Stick: November II
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2005-11-28, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Maybe the king deserves to be assassinated, they don't appear to be evil assassins after all. Chaotic for sure, but not evil. And I thought the whole pre-requisite of being a real assassin was that you had to be evil.
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2005-11-28, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Grey Watcher
Originally Posted by Grey Watcher
It may be that way, but for someone to be hurt like you say, it means that she genuinely cared for him in the first place. Personally I don't think she said that because she felt any need to open up to someone, but rather because she was attracted to Roy physically (much like the man himself) but she was just too self-righteous to give in to someone who doesn't treat her the exact way she wants him to (read:to someone who calls her "baby" and "honey" all the time). So now that he apologised, she thinks that Roy will be exactly as he wants him to be, always taking her side and always treating her in the best way possible. She is disappointed that Roy is not her puppy, sure, but I don't really think she felt anything substantial for him in order to be hurt.
Although now that he went against her so brazenly and unexpectedly, who knows? She might acquire a newfound interest for him ;)Adventurer from birth till death.
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2005-11-28, 09:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Wren
PS - Haley's expression and hug on Roy in the last panel is way cute :) :)Adventurer from birth till death.
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2005-11-28, 10:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
I think Roy was actually being rather sadistic. It's quite clear to me that his entire intention of his apology here was to lead up to that insult, which is rather expertly delivered to hurt someone the most after they've lowered their defences and starting feeling empathy and forgiveness towards that person.
Miko, being the type of person she is, appreciates the honesty, accepts the apology and forgives Roy, and acknowledges his own recent hardship. Then, admiring even more the only person (possibly besides Durkon) in this gang of criminals who has ever shown her any kind of support or kindness, opens up with a minor flirt of her own, albiet rather stiff, formal and clumsy, but what can you expect from someone who's come from a paladin/monk monastry. (That's a double dose of Lawful Good strict formality and regulations)
And thus Roy's set the stage for what his original intention was. A quadruple combo flat-out rejection, harsh insult, declaration that he is no longer on her side and reality shock for someone with very little outside social experience. Well done Roy, I'm not even sure Belkar could pull that off.
Yes, she's a harpy. She's also a person who has been brought up and lives among like minded highly righteous and devoted people and is now escorting a group of criminals and trying to get them to also see the light and repent their actions, as she's been taught. Yes, something needed to be said, but I don't think a cruel and intentional insult was it.
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2005-11-28, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ooh, well done Roy, that was a masterpiece:) I salute you:) Heheh I was waiting so long for him to finally regain his spine and here it is:) Very cute;)
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2005-11-28, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Miko is lucky just to recieve a verbal put-down.
Most parties I have played with would have fierballed her on
the spot after that speech.
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2005-11-28, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
I assume most parties you play with aren't good aligned.
Let's also remember that Belkar wouldn't even have been near the dynamite if Miko's own steed hadn't gone and hired an attorney. It's not like Miko's steed was in any real danger, being in the Celestial planes and all. Windstrider purposely antagonized Belkar and it got the whole place burned down.
Now, I'm not anti-Miko, although I do think she could use being taken down a peg. Roy did what he had to do, 1) to regain the trust of his team and 2) to make the mental break from Miko real to himself. It was at Miko's expense, but she's a stoic. She can handle it.
If at some point, Miko shows a little compassion, then Roy can apologize for his harsh words. But Miko does concentrate more on the Lawful side of her alignment than the Good side. She'll need to show a little awareness of her own flaws before Roy needs to apologize for his words.Here is a numbering of all character appearances in OOTS
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2005-11-28, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
As a certain local basketball announcer would say:
"WHAM! With the right hand! Lebron Ja...er I mean Roy Greenhilt slamming it with authority!" ;)
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2005-11-28, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Hayley's hug in the last panel was priceless. :)
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2005-11-28, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Kadi
Apparently it's Charisma.
Roy is sincere in his apology, he feels the need to make amends for the slights he's mae against Miko.
Personally I think Miko is getting what she deserved. Roy's tried being reasonable with her before, and he wasn'r even giving her lines.
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Miko's had no reason to treat the OOTS so badly since they're willingly following her, and let's face it the six of them could tear her to pieces barring another rainstorm.
Oh and as for the LG point of view. Miko is the negative sterotype of paladin's (which I revile), whereas Roy is a more sensible version of LG (or perhap the western point of view). In essence Roy is a better paladin than Miko if only because he shows more respect for others than she does.
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2005-11-28, 12:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Kish
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2005-11-28, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Snorri
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2005-11-28, 01:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
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2005-11-28, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Doshi
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2005-11-28, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Grey Watcher
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2005-11-28, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by maxon
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2005-11-28, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Miko's a self-righteous cow. I have no objection to Roy telling her so.
I hope Belkar stabs her one day.
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2005-11-28, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by maxonThe Giant Wrote: I bend the rules when it makes it funny. Accept.
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2005-11-28, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
I can't wait to see the rest of the party's reaction (especially V's)! ;D
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2005-11-28, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think she needed to be put back to her place. Of course it was kinda harsh but would she had listen to anything softer? And at any other moment?
I don't believe so. Let's just hope she'll better herself.
(Oh... Haley's expressions were exactly mine. She's so cool ;D)
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2005-11-28, 07:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
I don't think I've seen this speech from Elan brought up (episode 231):
No, she's really mean, Roy. To me, and to Vaarsuvius, and to you, too. You just pretend she's not for some reason.
Which could still happen.
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2005-11-28, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Since we got a double comic yesterday, does that mean no comic today?
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2005-11-28, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Originally Posted by Arturius
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2005-11-28, 10:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
For the record -
I liked Miko.
I still like Miko.
But she got what she deserved.
I rooted for her when she told the Order that they were coming with her. She was cool and aloof, but she had reason to be. I proclaimed myself pro-Miko when she upstaged the Order in the fight against the ogres.
But she still got what she deserved.
You can like someone, and yet at the same time, see them get taken down a peg, realize they deserved it, and feel good about it.1. Have fun. It's only a game.
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2005-11-29, 12:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
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2005-11-29, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2005-11-29, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
She won't. She'll suck it up and bury it deep. She'll be morose and sullen and worse than usual. At the worst possible moment, she'll bring it up again when Roy and the others will have thought she's forgotten all about it. She's a woman. We do that.
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2005-11-29, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
Eh, I find that very dobutful. Breaking down into tears in public doesn't seem like something Miko would do.
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2005-11-29, 02:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Order of the Stick: November II
On the whole idea of "Miko as a police officer", I'd point out that she did, after all, investigate the group before she passed judgement. She gathered several witness statements (including ones from the flumphs, who are known to be LG) which indicated that the Order of the Stick were horrible people. When she arrived on the scene, she did her own investigation, via Detect Evil. She found them to be MASSIVELY evil, already guilty of destroying the gate, and several other crimes; killing them was within reason, based on what she knew. When presented with counter-evidence (through Durkhon), she desisted.
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2005-11-29, 04:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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She only desisted from massacring them. She didn't desist from taking them against their will. I mean sure they went "willingly" but if they had said no, what would she have done?
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