Sauron vs. Cthulhu

[Eerie]

In your face, ASDAL! Your mascot will lose to the power of the Great Old One!

[Lyesmith]

...This is just cruel. Horrible, horrible cruelty.
*Sets up deckchair* And now...we wait.

[Setra]

This is... no contest.

[Winterwind]

Though you must admit, that's hardly a fair duel.

Lovecraftian monsters are, with very few exceptions, designed as to be undefeatable by definition. That's their place in the philosophy of Lovecraft's books (mankind as unimportant, uninformed and flawed bit of dust in the vastness of a universe where unknown and hostile laws of nature and elder beings rule).

[Rutee]

...That's just OTT. Stupidly so -.-

[Revlid]

Sauron > Most Every Other BBEG

Cthulhu, however, is not a Big Bad Evil Guy. He is not even Evil. He is the flip side of the coin where both Evil and Good are on one side. He is a Great Old One, and he will consume all!

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming!

[Setra]

It's no fun if there's no argument.

[Lyesmith]

Would be interesting to see people aguing for sauron, though.

[Eerie]

This is... no contest.

All right.

(Sauron+Lich King+Voldemort+Darth Vader) vs. Cthulhu.

More food for the Sleeping Dead!

[Setra]

Well Sauron has ships right...?

[Ossian]

Well Sauron has ships right...?

Sweet...slam a fisherman's boat in Chtulhu's belly!
No, come on, Chtulhu is exactly te kind of God Sauron would try to befriend and worship. I mean, unless you rephrase the OP as "Sauon trying to get away with his life if Cht. tryed to kill him". That could be argued. Well, Cht. may not know about the ring, but I seriously doubt his grasp is weaker than the fire of Mount Doom (he could nap the One ring like an easter egg's surprise with his bare...uh...hands?).

And before we get ALL consumed, for the elder's sake, let's add it to each post

AI HYDRA AI CHTULHU! CHTULHU F'TAGHN!!!

(whew...just in time)

[Skjaldbakka]

I actually think this vs. thread has merit. I'd have to side with Cthulhu on this one. Cthulhu is on the same scale as Melkor/Morgoth*, and Sauron was his lietenant.

*Actually, that is up to debate. There are humans that went mono-emono with Melkor. As in melee combat.

[Rutee]

I'm pretty sure Morgoth is nowhere near an Elder God. Maybe Nyarlathotep, their herald, but definitely not an Elder God themselves.

...Or is Nyarlie a herald for someone else? I always get Cthonic entities confused..

[Destro_Yersul]

I can see the fight now...

Sauron: I am the dark lord of Mordor, and I have forged the ruling ring. The Master Ring. The one ring... TO RULE THEM ALL!

Cthulu: O R'lyeh? *chomp*

[Lyesmith]

...Permission to Sig that?

[Winterwind]

I'm pretty sure Morgoth is nowhere near an Elder God. Maybe Nyarlathotep, their herald, but definitely not an Elder God themselves.

Well, in all fairness, Cthulhu is not an Elder God, and nowhere near the most powerful beings of the Mythos; he is just one very mighty Great Old One, but even he must worship and fear entities such as Azatoth or Yog-Sothoth.

That's not to say Cthulhu is not just as powerful as you describe, of course.

...Or is Nyarlie a herald for someone else? I always get Cthonic entities confused..

No, herald of the Elder Gods is right.
Of course, Lovecraft did not make any distinction between "Elder Gods" or "Outer Gods", and barely any between those and "Great Old Ones"; that's something only the authors who came after him tacked onto the Mythos, rather in contradiction to Lovecraft's concepts, in my humble opinion.

Cthulu: O R'lyeh? *chomp*

Victory is yours.

[Seraph]

so who wants to take bets on how long it takes EE and Warty Goblin to spam this thread into oblivion?

[Artemician]

so who wants to take bets on how long it takes EE and Warty Goblin to spam this thread into oblivion?

While I may be arguing against them in the LK vs Sauron thread, I do not believe that they are spamming, at all. They've been posting intelligent posts, the large majority of which are backed up with solid facts. Whether they post alot is another matter entirely. Quality trumps quantity.

[GolemsVoice]

Just for adding something:
Cthulhu. Because, ever since the LK hate in the vs thread which involved Sauron, I want to see Sauron bleed! Bleed! Bleed! Uhahahah! Iä!Iä! Iä!
Well, ok, so much for the rambling hate of a fanboy. But I actually think the contest is extremely difficult, since both are beings which are not intended to be posses power which you can measure and say: Oh, he's so strong he could do X.
Both are being which are meant to play their respective world's/universe's antagonist role (which Sauron backed up by The Man Himself, Morgoth, and Cthulhu by his friends and fellow mythos monsters.
It would be like comparing megadeath lasers to killerwaves from space.

[EvilElitest]

Would be interesting to see people aguing for sauron, though.

Not me for one

Really Eeri, Sauron's group have never argued he is immortal. We know he can lose. I don't think there is anything that can defeat Cthulhu, so where is the contest. your've proven Sauron can lose on a thread where it is impossible for anyone to lose? Does that make you feel happy? It strikes me as inmature and silly
from,
EE

[Adumbration]

Not me for one

Really Eeri, Sauron's group have never argued he is immortal. We know he can lose. I don't think there is anything that can defeat Cthulhu, so where is the contest. your've proven Sauron can lose on a thread where it is impossible for anyone to lose? Does that make you feel happy? It strikes me as inmature and silly
from,
EE

Wait a minute... I could swear that that was one of the arguments in Lich King vs. Sauron thread. That since Sauron is immortal, he is more powerful than Lich King. Just give me a second to find that quote, it's buried somewhere inside 8 pages.

[EvilElitest]

so who wants to take bets on how long it takes EE and Warty Goblin to spam this thread into oblivion?

Somebody is bitter, some body is bitter

Look, just because you can't pull off victory doesn't mean you have to reduce to petty insults. God, it is just, childish


And to anyone else who argues against Sauron on Lk vs. Sauron, this isn't directed at you, i know when sauron is defeated, threads like this just makes the point so, worthless
I like challenging arguments, not petty ones

While I may be arguing against them in the LK vs Sauron thread, I do not believe that they are spamming, at all. They've been posting intelligent posts, the large majority of which are backed up with solid facts. Whether they post alot is another matter entirely. Quality trumps quantity.

thank you, that is very disent

Like wise, i wouldn't say something about the pro LK people, the reason why LK vs. Sauron is long is quite frankly, it is a good challenge, they are both extremly powerful and close in power

Wait a minute... I could swear that that was one of the arguments in Lich King vs. Sauron thread. That since Sauron is immortal, he is more powerful than Lich King. Just give me a second to find that quote, it's buried somewhere inside 8 pages

immortal, not indefeasible. The death with Cthulhu, as i understand it, is he has ultimate power. Now somebody who read the books might prove me wrong, but i am of the understanding that nothing can truely defeat him and he has powers beyond the scope of the mortal universe.
from,
EE

[Adumbration]

Gods in WarCraft are vastly different from the Valar and Malar. The malar are immortal, then can't be killed. It is specifically stated that Sauron can't be killed, just reduced to a minor weaken harmless spirit. Thus it is true. Gods in warcraft can be killed.

I'm having a really hard time writing this, because i'm going to break it to you
The powers vary from author to author. In different settings, different rules. In tolkion's world, Sauron is literally unkillable (unless you destroy the universe itself i suppose?). That is how it goes. Unless you can provide proof that he can die, he can't die just be greatly weakened. Mind providing me with that prove.

[EvilElitest]

your point? doesn't work here.


Cthulhu is by definition unable to be defeated. There is no contest. He is (somebody correct me if i'm wrong) impossible to defeat, and is beyond immortal
At best, Sauron can survive and escape. I fail to see what your trying to prove
from,
EE

[Lyesmith]

So a man with a boat can defeat (for a given value) Cthulu, but Sauron cant? some Dark Lord.

[EvilElitest]

So a man with a boat can defeat (for a given value) Cthulu, but Sauron cant? some Dark Lord.

never read the book, i'm acting off the the idea he is unbeatable. He got hit by a boat?
from,
EE

[Adumbration]

your point? doesn't work here.


Cthulhu is by definition unable to be defeated. There is no contest. He is (somebody correct me if i'm wrong) impossible to defeat, and is beyond immortal
At best, Sauron can survive and escape. I fail to see what your trying to prove
from,
EE

No, just pointing out that you pretty much outright lied a couple of posts ago. Don't know if it was just an accident, and you had forgotten about it, or if you are consistently using lies in arguments.

In any case, I think Cthulhu wins Sauron. Just my personal opinion, though.

[Eerie]

never read the book, i'm acting off the the idea he is unbeatable. He got hit by a boat?
from,
EE

The boat went through him, doing no real damage.

Besides, he weren`t fully awaken...

[WalkingTarget]

Combination Lovecraft/Tolkien fan here.

I brought up the point of immortality on Sauron's part. My definition of it is that the body he inhabits isn't really him. The part of Sauron that is Sauron is imperishable and he'll keep coming back.

That being said, Sauron's biggest problem in that he still thinks in understandable, human-ish ways and Cthulhu laughs at the quaintness of that (well, if he even notices... and if he has anything that could be understood as a sense of humor).

It's a difference in basic assumptions of their respective settings. Tolkien places humans (and the other children of Illuvatar) in a very important place, Lovecraft says they're utterly insignificant.

Sauron spends all of his time trying to control people and ruling the world, Cthulhu knows that that is unimportant. Cthulhu stomps on Sauron whenever he shows up and I wouldn't put it past him to be able to open the Door of Night (or ask Yog-Sothoth nicely) and kick Sauron through if he's too much of a pest and keeps trying.

[EvilElitest]

No, just pointing out that you pretty much outright lied a couple of posts ago. Don't know if it was just an accident, and you had forgotten about it, or if you are consistently using lies in arguments.

In any case, I think Cthulhu wins Sauron. Just my personal opinion, though.

somebody's bitter

And really, you accually, failed, i never said Sauron' isn't immortal, he he just still can't win. Your logic is faulty, and doesn't accually add up
from,
EE