Any Orc/Goblinoid Fans??

[Cieyrin]

Well I'm once again back after disappearing. I get way too busy with school... Argh. Anyway, I finally have a concept or two for a PrC. I'm going to be doing a Sickness/Debuffing PrC. I'm thinking a melee/magic hybrid. Use spellcasting to cause debuffs and sickness and then melee to finish them off (along with a bonus against sick/debuffed enemies).

So help me brainstorm a bit.

Sounds kind of like an alt-Hexblade to me. if you want some inspiration, there's a PRC in Complete Scoundrel that thrives off of fear and can be devastating to enemies w/ one of the 3 fear conditions.

[watsyurname529]

It is kinda an alternate hexblade, but instead of a curse, it's disease/sickness flavored. Plus it's a PrC and probably will be a better option than a straight hexblade. I'll try to make it as different as possible. I'll go look at that fear PrC, I know what you're talking about, I just can't remember it off the top of my head.

[Bhu]

Bugbear Enforcer now has Epic Levels.

[watsyurname529]

GLOOM RAZOR

"You don't have to be better than someone to defeat them, just bring them down to below your level. Then it's easy." - Gloom Razor Motto

The Gloom Razor is a spellcaster with some melee abilities that debilitates their foes and then moves in for the kill. They specialize in debuffs and sickness and other nasty ways of making someone ill. A Gloom Razor will weaken you as much as possible, then run in and strike you down. They are fearsome if you are frail of body and mind. If they get first strike, then you're that much weaker already.

BECOMING A GLOOM RAZOR
Spellcasting is the base of this class, so primarily casters are the most likely choice. However there is a melee combat part of the class, so spellsword type characters are the best choice. Wizard/Rangers, Clerics/Fighters, Sorcerer/Scouts, just some spellcasting plus some melee mixes.

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS
BAB: +3
Skills: Spellcraft 5 Ranks
Spellcasting: 2nd Level Divine or Arcane

Class Skills
The Class Name's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge (Arcana) (Int), Profession (Wis), Spellcraft (Int)

Skills Points at Each Level : 2 + Int Mod

Hit Dice: d6

   BAB  Fort    Ref    Will  Abilities
1. +0    +2     +0     +2    First Infection, Gloom Combat
2. +1    +3     +0     +3    Razor's Edge
3. +2    +3     +1     +3    Gloom Curse: Health
4. +3    +4     +1     +4    Gloom Immunity
5. +3    +4     +1     +4    Gloom Curse: Ability
6. +4    +5     +2     +5    Gloom Immunity II
7. +5    +5     +2     +5    Gloom Curse: Speed
8. +6    +6     +2     +6    Razor's Edge II
9. +6    +6     +3     +6    Gloom Curse: Power
10.+7    +7     +3     +7    Black Hex

Weapon Proficiencies: A Gloom Razor gains no new proficiencies.

Spellcasting:

First Infection (Su): The Gloom Razor is a carrier of a special magical disease, and can infect his enemies with this disease, weakening them for the kill. A number of times equal to your relevant casting modifier (i.e. Int for Wizards, Wis for Clerics) per encounter you may try to infect an enemy. As a standard action with a range of 30ft, the enemy must make a DC (10 + 1/2 PrC Lvl + Casting Mod) Fort save or suffer the infection and become Infected. The infection can be cured with a Remove Disease spell or equivalent which requires a caster level check vs the Gloom Razor, or is cured in 1d4 Days. Only creatures with a Constitution score can be affected. The debuffs are listed and increased with level and are cumulative:
1st Level: -2 Attack/Damage
4th Level: -2 AC
7th Level: -2 Saves
10th Level: Increase all debuffs to -3

Gloom Combat (Ex): A Gloom Razor learns how to start mixing magic with might and how to mix magical pain and weakness, with the pain of a blade. At 1st Level, a Gloom Razor ignores Spell Failure Chance for Light Armor and Light shields, including bucklers. A Gloom Razor also trains their physical as well as their mental abilities, gaining Improved Toughness as a bonus feat.

Razor's Edge (Ex): A Gloom Razor has a particular weapon they know where to stick on the infected to double the pain. At 2nd Level, choose 1 Melee Weapon, you gain +1d6 Dmg vs Infected Targets, this is extra damage and does not multiply with a critical hit. At 8th Level, choose another melee weapon, both weapons deal +2d6 Dmg vs Infected Targets.

Gloom Curse (Su): The Gloom Razor learns a number of curses and hexes to infect their victims with even worse sickness and weaken them so they can finish them off with their blade. Each Curse may be used once per encounter, is a standard action, and has a range of 30 ft. The target must make a DC (10 + 1/2 PrC Lvl + Casting Mod) Fort save or suffer its effects. One target may be affected with multiple curses, and their effects stack with each other, but not with any other effect. Each curse can be removed with a Remove Curse spell or equivalent, but requiring a caster level check vs. the Gloom Razor to succeed. All effects last for the duration of the encounter, and are cured 1d4 days afterward.

Health Curse: The first curse a Gloom Razor learns is the basic health curse. The body of the enemy is overall weakened, has their health and fitness is suddenly ravaged. If the target is affected, they take 2d6 +1 per CL (Max 2d6+10) damage. But it is not ordinary damage, this health damage actually lowers their maximum HP to that level for the duration of the curse. They treat that number as their max HP for any abilities or spells they use, any healing they receive, etc. If the target is Infected, as per the First Infection ability, then they receive an extra 1d6 damage.

Ability Curse: The next curse a Gloom Razor learns targets more specific parts of the body, rendering them frail and useless. If the target is affected with this curse, pick any one ability score and it receives a -4 penalty. This once again becomes the new maximum for that ability score for the duration of the curse. If the target is Infected, the penalty is increased to -6.

Speed Curse: The third curse of a Gloom Razor is designed to slow a target down and not let them escape, force them to face the music. If the target is affected with this curse, the target is affected as per the Slow spell for the duration of the curse. If the target is Infected, the penalty is increased to -2.

Power Curse: The fourth and final curse the Gloom Razor learns is the Power Curse. Designed to sap the target's power and render them weak and ready for the knife. If the target is affected with this curse, the target loses 1d3+1 Caster Levels for the duration of the curse. If the target is Infected, they loose an additional Caster Level.

Gloom Immunity (Ex): A Gloom Razor is a master of infection and causing their enemies to become weak. As such a Gloom Razor knows the advantages of disease and becomes immune to it. At 4th Level, you gain Immunity to Normal Disease and Poison. At 6th Level the Immunity extends to Magical Diseases.

Black Hex (Su): The final nail in the coffin. The Black Hex is a Gloom Razor's masterpiece. The Black Hex is designed to suck the life out of someone, rendering them powerful enough only to bow to the Gloom Razor. Just as the knife comes down and seals the deal. The Black Hex functions like any of the Gloom Razor's curses, but the DC is increased +2 and the Gloom Razor gains a +2 on checks made to dispel the curse. If the target is inflicted with the Black Hex, they lose 1d3+1 Levels for the duration of the curse. However, the Black Hex thrives on misery and pain and uses the ambient suffering to increase its effects. For every Gloom Curse that is currently affecting a target in combat, the Black Hex gains +1 to the DC to resist and the Gloom Razor gains +1 on checks made to dispel the curse.

PLAYING A GLOOM RAZOR
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GLOOM RAZORS IN THE WORLD
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GLOOM RAZORS IN THE GAME
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[Bhu]

Awright Wats!! It's nice to see you back!

[watsyurname529]

Yeah. I get swamped with school work and can't find the time to post on the boards.

Anyway, I have the concept for my latest PrC as posted above. I've decided on a more magic than melee type for the PrC. The Gloom Razor will wear down its enemies with debuff spells (and other goodies!) and then go in for the kill with a blade.

Any thoughts would be helpful as I'm kinda having trouble thinking of ideas.

[Bhu]

have it be able to use up a daily use of its hexblades curse to zap someone with a disease?

[Bhu]

Any thoughts on how many Manifester levels the Firebreathe should lose?

[Cieyrin]

For the Fire Breather, you'd need to flesh out improved fire-control first before figuring out the manifester level loss.

Also, Fireskin at level 9 feels extremely weak, considering that items take half fire damage and have hardness, that 1 measly point of fire damage ain't gonna do anything to anybody's weapon. I'd say make it do at least 1d6 fire damage, which is pretty standard for damage on contact type effects, as most creatures aren't going to be all "Fire Hot! No Touch Burning Psion!" for 1 fire damage per attack, especially considering you're not going to see this till maybe level 15-16 at the earliest, as said Firebreather will be CR 19 and anybody running up and attacking him in melee is gonna have the HP to burn through that it won't deter them in the slightest.

On a different note, the Azure Master's Telepathy power is incomplete at level 7. It kinda stops right after expanding it's telepathy out to a mile.

[watsyurname529]

have it be able to use up a daily use of its hexblades curse to zap someone with a disease?

To clear up some confusion, this is not a Hexblade PrC. It is similar in it's function, but it's open to all spellcasters.

However that does give me an idea to give Hexblades a bonus for taking the PrC.

Also, I'm creating custom diseases which function more like debuff spells, but with a different flavor. Then I'm also going to give it a slight poison ability. Inflicting real diseases is okay, but not really helpful in combat because it takes a few days to work.

[Bhu]

Dai-bakemono has epic levels, fixed azure master, finished up Improved Flame Control for firebreather.

[Cieyrin]

I'd say 7 manifester levels for the Firebreather, losing one at each level of Firebreath.

[Bhu]

Kewl. FInished it up except for the example NPC. Ironheart Crusader now has epic levels.

[Bhu]

Im thinking i should revise the Orc Sergeant and Pirate. In all the forums I've posted them they've seemed the most meh. In the meantime:


OROG BRUTE



"Being called a brute is a reflection of my physical, not mental, prowess."

Orog Psionics tend to use their powers to enhance their physical abilities to better combat their people's enemies.

BECOMING A OROG BRUTE
Orog Brute's tend to begin as Psychic Warriors or Wilders, though some are Psions.

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS
Race: Orog
Psionics: Manifester Level 5th, and must be able to Manifest Hustle
Skills: Autohypnosis 4 ranks, Concentration 4 ranks, Intimidate 4 ranks, Knowledge (Psionics) 4 ranks
Feats: Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Psionic Weapon


Class Skills
The Orog Brute's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Autohypnosis (Wis), Climb (Str), Concentration (Con), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Knowledge (Psionics)(Int), Ride (Dex), and Use Psionic Device (Cha)
Skills Points at Each Level : 2 + int

Hit Dice: d8

   BAB  Fort    Ref    Will  Abilities
1. +0    +2     +0     +0    Psychic Smite 1/day
2. +1    +3     +0     +0    Psychic Riposte, +1 level of original Manifesting class
3. +2    +3     +1     +1    Psychic Endurance
4. +3    +4     +1     +1    Psychic Smite 2/day, +1 level of original Manifesting class
5. +3    +4     +1     +1    Psychic Riposte
6. +4    +5     +2     +2    Psychic Endurance, +1 level of original Manifesting class
7. +5    +5     +2     +2    Psychic Smite 3/day
8. +6    +6     +2     +2    Psychic Riposte, +1 level of original Manifesting class
9. +6    +6     +3     +3    Psychic Endurance
10.+7    +7     +3     +3    Unstoppable, +1 level of original Manifesting class

Weapon Proficiencies: Orog Brutes gain no new weapon or armor proficiencies.

Psychic Smite (Su) At first level you can declare any successful critical hit to be a Psychic Smite once per day. You may declare after the critical confirmation roll, but before rolling for damage. At 4th level you may do this twice per day, at 7th level you may do this 3 times per day. You may spend 8 power points to do maximum damage with your hit as a Free Action. This only applies to your weapon damage, not magical enhancements like Flaming Burst, or Bonus Dice like Sneak Attack or Skirmish.

Psychic Riposte (Su) At second level if your opponent fails his attack roll in melee combat, you may make an attack of opportunity if you have one to knock him off balance. You make an opposed level check against your opponent, and if you win he is -2 on all rolls the next round.

At 5th level if your opponent fails his attack roll in melee combat, you may make an attack of opportunity if you have one to make a Sunder attempt against his weapon.

At 8th level if your opponent fails his attack roll in melee combat, you may make an attack of opportunity to attack him.

All of these abilities require you to have at least 1 Power Point in reserve, and you must expend your Psionic Focus.

Psychic Endurance (Su): At 3rd level you may spend 5 power points to delay taking damage from any 1 hit for 2 rounds.

At 6th level you may instead delay any effect that requires a Saving throw for 2 rounds.

At 9th level if you are brought to -10 hit points you may delay your death one round per point of Constitution modifier by spending 5 power points.

Unstoppable (Su): You may now fight and act normally when at - to -9 hp. If you are brought to -10 hp or less, or fail a Save or Die effect you may spend all your remaining power points and expend your psionic focus to become Unstoppable. While Unstoppable you are immune to any effect allowing a Saving Throw, and can fight normally regardless of how much damage you take. You may fight for 1 round per point of Intelligence modifier, and then die. You automatically confirm all criticals while Unstoppable. A minimum or 5 power points is required to use this ability.

PLAYING AN OROG BRUTE
You are not a simple warrior. And anyone who makes that mistake will pay for it. Your fellow Orogs look up to you to back them up in a fight, and you don't disappoint. In fact they usually end up being your backup. Too bad your people's enemies can't see past their own stereotypes of race, or they'd find you less effective.
Combat: Brute's soak damage while trying to get that critical that will allow them to put their opponent away. They're almost classic tanks.
Advancement: Brutes tend to focus on the ability to delay or shrug off hits and effects in order to keep getting in hits. Eventually they can whittle the opponent to nothing.
Resources: Orog Brutes are usually members of the military, and can usually draw upon the resources of said military in times of trouble.

OROG BRUTES IN THE WORLD
"He touched me and my arm went numb!"
Orog Knight's tend to view the world in terms of 'Orcs' and 'everything else'. They tend to be raised by the military and their views tend to be warped by that childhood. Many are far more xenophobic than even the average Orog.
Daily Life: You train obsessively, awaiting the great war with the other humanoids which you hope will come within your lifetime. When not training you are usually on assignment.
Notables: Khe (CE Male Psychic Warrior 5/Orog Brute 5) has been leading caravan raids on the surface in preparation for a minor war.
Organizations: The Brutes themselves have their own section within the military. They train with each other almost exclusively. Officially they don't really have a name other than what company they belong to.

NPC Reaction
NPC's tend to think of you as another Orc, and generally Orc means bad. When you bust out the psychic powers, it goes downhill swiftly from there.

OROG BRUTES IN THE GAME
As with my other Orog classes this tends to present them as a more organized militaristic society than other Orcs. Sort of implying they're major campaign bad guys.
Adaptation: This assumes that Orogs are in your campaign and a major enough threat to have a standing developed military force as opposed to a horde of barbarians.
Encounters: PC's will encounter Orog Brutes during any Orog raid or military action. They will also encounter them when raiding Orog cities.

Sample Encounter
EL 12: Raids are being conducted by Orogs swarming up from the Underdark at night, and a few of them seem to have supernatural abilities that put the local merchants caravans at a disadvantage. The PC's have been hired to take these new Orogs out.


Khe
CE Male Orog Psychic Warrior 5/Orog Brute 5
Init +0, Senses: Listen +0, Spot +0, Dark Vision 120'
Languages Orc, Undercommon, Common, Dwarven, Gnome
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AC 28, touch 13, flat-footed 28 (+2 Natural, +13 Armor, +3 Deflection)
hp 55 (10 HD)
Fort +9, Ref +2, Will +2
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Speed 30 ft. (6 squares)
Melee +4 Falchion +15/+10 (2d4+11/18-20)
Base Atk +6, Grp +11
Atk Options Psychic Smite 2/day, Psychic Riposte
Combat Gear 1 Potion of Cure Serious Wounds
Powers Known 1st: Adrenaline Boost, Offensive Precognition, Offensive Prescience
2nd: Body Adjustment, Incite Bravery

Manifester Level: 7, Power Points: 22
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Abilities Str 20, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 16, Wis 10, Cha 10
SQ Orc Blood, Light Blindness, Fire Resistance 5, Cold Resistance 5, Racial weapon proficiencies, Psychic Endurance
Feats Greater Psionic Weapon, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Psionic Weapon
Skills Autohypnosis +10, Climb +11, Concentration +11, Intimidate +6, Jump +11, Knowledge (Psionics) +9, Ride +6, Search +9, Use Psionic Device +5
Possessions +5 Full Plate, +4 Falchion, Fiendhelm, +3 Ring of Protection, 1 Potion of Cure Serious Wounds, 125 GP




EPIC OROG BRUTE

Hit Die: d8
Skills Points at Each Level : 2 + int
Psychic Smite: You gain an additional daily use of Psychic Smite at Level 21 and every 3 levels thereafter.
Bonus Feats: The Epic Orog Brute gains a Bonus Feat every 3 levels higher than 20th

[The Tygre]

Yay! A new Orog class!

[Bhu]

Wow I didn't think the Orogs would be so popular!


Ironheart berserker now has epic levels.

[Bhu]

The Gray Suns now have epic levels.

[watsyurname529]

Yay! The forums are back online!

Anyway, I've got the basis for the Gloom Razor in my head, it's just difficult to write it out and have it do what I want.

[Bhu]

Orog Knight now has Epic levels

[Bhu]

Tanarukk Firesword now has Epic levels, Orog Brute updated.

[Bhu]

Anyone think Psychic Smite is over the top?

[SoD]

When combined with stuff with a huge crit multiplier. For example, I can get a lance up to a 19-20/x5 fairly easily. Mind you, the fact it's limited in the amount of times it can be done, tones it down nicely.

However, it needs something at level 10. Nobody like a PrC with a dead final level. Even if it's just phychic smite 4/day, it needs something.

[Cieyrin]

I think Psychic Smite is alright; it just makes the crit more devastating by ensuring the damage is maximized. It doesn't auto-crit, increase the multiplier or add extra damage on top of it. I think the ability is fine as is.

That said, you should probably define which damage is maximized. Is it just the weapon or do you include other damage, like elemental enchantments, burst effects, sneak dice, etc? There's a big difference in power between the smite that maximizes your large +1 Fullblade and your large +2 Flaming Burst Fullblade when you have 5 levels of Lurk to Psychic Sneak attack with.

[Bhu]

I edited it, and added everything escept the capstone. Thoughts on how many levels of Manifester it loses? I was gonna go with 5.

[Cieyrin]

The way Psychic Parry reads, it's more of a Psychic Riposte, since it doesn't actually improve your defense at all, just allows you to hit back when they miss, which is a riposte.

For the final ability of Psychic Endurance, I assume you mean you can delay death for 1 round per point of Constitution bonus. The description implies that, though it seems like an incomplete thought at the moment.

[Bhu]

I tweaked the abilities. Tigerskin Berserker now has epic levels and 3 new maneuvers.

[Rappy]

I was thinking about making some simplistic posts on alternate orcs and goblinoids, made via templates or something else, that follow the course of various real-world mythological concepts. I'm not sure if it would fit, but I figured I'd ask.

[Bhu]

Id like to see it Rap

capstone is up for Orog Brute

[Cieyrin]

Unstoppable feels like a souped up, shorter version of Deathless Frenzy...
I think the immune to Saved effects is a little too much for even that, as that eliminates most effects. That approaches on the epic Juggernaut PRC's abilities, which I don't think provided that kind of benefit, either...

[Bhu]

Well the idea is that you'll have 3-4 rounds of being invulnerable, but then you'll die. You can be raised/resurrected of course, but thats probably small recompense to some. I edited it as you cant become unstoppable till -10 hp. An oopsie on my part.