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    Default Arena Tournament, Round 35: Grushnak vs Llince

    Arena Tournament, Round 35: Grushnak vs. Llince

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    (1d20+3)[17]

    That's my initiative.

    No new new purchases, purchases since last map were, lesee. Upgraded my xbow to mwk, replaced my powerstone, and bought a couple of crawling tats. All on my sheet for the world to see.

    I'll start in X11, my psicrystal in W11.
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    What I'm holding, subject to slight changes upon purchases(maybe): I'm holding the crystal and xbow. Crawling tats location subject to what he's holding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyMolo View Post
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    That's my initiative.

    No new new purchases, purchases since last map were, lesee. Upgraded my xbow to mwk, replaced my powerstone, and bought a couple of crawling tats. All on my sheet for the world to see.

    I'll start in X11, my psicrystal in W11.
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    Small matter of accounting... A Masterwork Hand Crossbow costs 400g. Masterwork adds 300g to the base price.
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    Small matter of accounting... A Masterwork Hand Crossbow costs 400g. Masterwork adds 300g to the base price.
    Are you serious? That's expensive. Could have sworn it was 150...Nope, you're right. 300. So if I don't do that (because I can't) Then I have 209 gp left over. I'll just save it.
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    Nothing new bought, starting in D10.
    Inititiative (1d20+4)[10]
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    I move to Q13, crystal in R13. Manifest from my powerstone, sharing with my crystal, then drop it. Xbow in both hands. Crystal taps one his tattoos, which drops off and runs to G11 this turn.
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    It's the tattoo of concussion, which doesn't violate the sanctuary effect. Not a direct attack. In any case, no attacking going on this turn.


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    Ac 19, health 5/5, pp 8/8, Q13
    Crystal: AC 20. health 13/13 all powers ready to use, R13


    Your go.
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    I move, disappearing behind B6

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    I move to E3


    that'd make it your turn
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    Assuming you stopped after moving out of sight to cast something, the tattoo scrabbles along after you. I see it reach B7, and then it vanishes off behind the building. If it reaches you, it gloms on and tries to hit you with it's touch attack.(1d20+5)[6]. If it hits, the power affects you. If you made a double-move of it, it pursues you around the building, reaching C2. I can't see what it sees, or control it, but that's what it does. It's not very smart.

    And: I loudly admonish my psicrystal for activating that tattoo. Repeatedly, making sure my opponent can hear me.

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    Single move to M/N 9, Ready an action to manifest Psionic Charm on LoS, my crystal readies an action to manifest energy ray (fire), triggered on telepathic communique from me/failed Psionic Charm.


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    Me: M9 AC 19, health 5/5, pp 8/8
    Crystal:Crystal: AC 20. health 13/13 all powers ready to use, N9.


    Done. Ref check needed, but take your actions.
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    As a matter of clarity fo Grushnak, Llince did not upgrade his crossbow to masterwork. (it was spoilered)
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    You have 30' movement. Starting in D10-C9-B8-7-6-B5 is 30'. Then your second move goes B5-B4-B3-C3, 15' so far. Entering a square of hay costs 4 squares of movement, since you only have 15' left, you end your movement in C3.

    edit: You see the tattoo come up to C2, no attack


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    Crawling tattoos have to enter the opponents square to attack, and that provokes AoO so here's the stats of the tattoo for when that happens. AC18, HP10, hardness 5, speed 30', att =nmanifester's level + key ability mod
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    I take a 5 foot step to B3. Provoking an attack of opportunity if it is Small or Medium sized, I fire at the tattoo with my crossbow.
    attack roll: (1d20+10)[21]
    damage if it hits: (1d6+4)[10]


    If it's Small or Medium, I just provoked an attack of opportunity
    That'd make it your turn
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    As a matter of clarity fo Grushnak, Llince did not upgrade his crossbow to masterwork. (it was spoilered)
    Eeep. Sorry. More clarity in future. Promise.

    Whatever turn it is:
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    I'm not totally sure Tattoos can take AoO's. Actually, it's a moot point. The thing is diminutive, or tiny. If you're close enough to provoke an AoO from it, it probably nabs you on this turn anyways. So use that attack roll. (1d6)[6] damage on a hit.

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    single move to J4, J5. Same readied action as previous. If LoS is established on my turn, just use the powers as specified.


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    Me: J4 AC 19, health 5/5, pp 8/8
    Crystal:Crystal: AC 20. health 13/13 all powers ready to use, J5.


    Done, on LoS check. Doesn't really affect my actions, though.
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    Refs are going to act on behalf of the tattoo. I'm guessing it will act with one purpose in mind, attacking. If you'd like to dispute that, call for a high ref.

    edit: Also, no LoS


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    The tattoo is indeed too small to threaten you as you move. Your arrow hits it. It moves into your square, which would normally provoke an AoO, but it looks like you are only armed with a bow. That means you don't threaten. If I'm wrong, please take your attack of opportunity.

    Once in your square, it attacks. (1d20+5)[7] touch attack. I'll edit this post once I check that roll. Looks like that's a miss.

    Other than the tattoo in your square, you have no LoS.


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    The tattoo was hit, and after hardness was dealt 5 points of damage.
    AC 18
    HP 5/10
    Hardness 5
    Speed 30'
    Att +5
    2.5' reach
    Location: B3


    The tattoo has acted. It is now LtKeen's turn.
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    Note that while the tattoo is too small to threaten on the opponent's last move, it does threaten its own square. If Ltkeen takes movement that would normally provoke on his turn, the tattoo will get an AoO, if it's provoked from the square Ltkeen starts in.


    Current actions unaffected, clarification on refs only information. Turn proceeds in accordance with above instructions by Chile.

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    well, since it's diminuitive... wish I was aware of that sooner, I could've made a move action last turn
    anywho, 5 ft step to B2 and another attack from my crossbow
    Attack roll: (1d20+10)[23]
    damage if it hits: (1d6+4)[7]

    As I take these actions, not being the most intelligent person in the world, I shout "I HATE SPIDERS!" from the northwest direction
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    You hit it, and damage it a bit more. It's still kickin' tho. On your opponent's turn, the tattoo will take a 5foot step into your square and attack again.

    (1d20+5)[8]
    Will deal with effects if it hits.

    No LOS, aside from crawlie thing.


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    No LoS. You did clearly hear his yell from a mostly western direction.


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    The tattoo was hit, and after hardness was dealt 2 points of damage.
    AC 18
    HP 3/10
    Hardness 5
    Speed 30'
    Att +5
    2.5' reach
    Location: B3

    Yell DC to hear is -10. Adjusted for 60 feet of distance, going around walls, and DC is -4. Fly could roll a 0 and hear.
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    Single move action to E1(me) F1(crystal). Same readied actions as before, barring ref fiat that Charm won't work due to allies attacking. That shouldn't be a problem, though. If LoS is established on turn, don't bother readying, just manifest.


    Done, pending refcheck. Lemme go fetch one.
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    LoS is established.

    Llince is in E1, psisrystal is in F1, tattoo and Grushnak are in B2.

    It is still Llince's turn.

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    Lemme see if I can find a ruling on charm, I think I remember a specific ruling.


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    So, we're talking about
    Charm, SRD
    This charm makes a humanoid creature regard you as its trusted friend and ally (treat the targetís attitude as friendly). If the creature is currently being threatened or attacked by you or your allies, however, it receives a +5 bonus on its saving throw.
    Alright, here's the previous ruling.
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58639

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Chilli_God View Post
    Well, Blaize hasn't actually done anything threatening all match. If an offensive spell was cast, or if Blaize had a weapon drawn and was waving it in front of Frizz's face, that would definitely count. But just their circumstances shouldn't be a factor.
    Llince has a loaded crossbow in both hands, the psicrystal (whom activated the tattoo that is attacking Grush) is right by his side. Separately, they might not be enough, but together I'd call it threatening. The bow is loaded and the psicrystal indirectly attacked and currently appears to be an ally. Unless a High Ref wants to contradict, we'll go with that.

    The thing is, I don't see anywhere in the rules that Llince would know Grush is getting the +5 to the save, so I assume that information is withheld. Also, it has been previously stated that refs are NOT to help with tactics, so I also assume we shouldn't point Llince to the previous match. I don't know what, if any, information should be passed to him on the ruling.


    I'm going to recommend a hold on this match so a high ref review the above. FlyMoto, if you get here before a high ref and you want to continue, go ahead.
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    Per previous precedent set by the Chilli god, having a loaded weapon drawn and readied should qualify for the +5 bonus. Further, unlike the standard activation of charm, the spell in question here is being activated by an attack. If flymolo asked concerning the modifier, I'd provide that information. As is, he asked whether or not Charm can work. I'm answering that question.


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    There is nothing in the text of charm person that prevents it from working due to your or allied attacks prior to the casting. Note that the spell does end if you or any ally performs an offensive action AFTER the casting.

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    Not sure exactly what is going on, besides reestablished LoS.
    I do have something to note though. FlyMolo, shouldn't your base will save be 2 instead of 0, since you're a level 1 Psion? (skimmed your sheet for the first time today)
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    Single move action to E1(me) F1(crystal). Same readied actions as before, barring ref fiat that Charm won't work due to allies attacking. That shouldn't be a problem, though. If LoS is established on turn, don't bother readying, just manifest.
    It is still FlyMolo's turn.
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    Alrighty then. I look as friendly as possible, shout "I got it, dude! Sorry about earlier. He's a little impulsive." and manifest something. Displays happen. Roll a will save, DC 15.

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    My crystal readies an action to tap his entangling ectoplasm tattoo. ( I must resist the urge to say tat.) Activated on a failed charm ONLY.
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    oh snap, a will save.
    Will (1d20+1)[8]
    Curse you, Twelve Gods!
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    Grushnak is Charmed per the Charm person spell. It is Grushnak's turn.

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    The tattoo doesn't count as an ally of mine, does it? Do I have any control over it? I'd like it to stop what it's doing now, really.


    I yell to Grushnak that the spider-tat is right behind him, so he should get behind me, and that I'll help him kill it. I also order my psicrystal to look nonthreatening.

    ((Speaking, and telepathic communication, are free actions I can take on other peoples turn, right?))
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    "I don't want this little bugger to escape, so I'll go to block off the other path."
    I move to A4 and take another shot at it, provoking an AoO from it.
    Attack roll: (1d20+10)[30]
    Damage if it hits: (1d6+4)[8]


    On a side note, I can't really run behind you from where you're positioned. Hay and your psicrystal are in the way
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    ooh, a critical
    Rolling to confirm:
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    jeez forums and their 60 second rule ~_~
    (1d20+10)[29]
    that would make it 24 damage, if it's vulnerable to crits.
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