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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    Just wondering if you guys are finished
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    I'm not holding anything up. I called for a ref to give you LoS and describe what you saw based on where you are. I can't look in your LoS spoiler, so I don't know what the ref posted. All the info the ref needed from me was in my move/stat spoiler.
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    Will go over this more thoroughly when I get back to books in the morning, but I believe the description for breath of the night specifically states that it does not block LOS. Thus, at distances greater than 5 feet, LOS would not be blocked, as is standard for Obscuring Mist/Fog Cloud. Again, when I return to books, I'll work out the ramifications of all this with the moves, and get this back on track.

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    Breath of the Night specifically states that it does not block line of sight. The benefit is that anyone standing in it gains concealment.

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    Oh, guess I should've read it more closely. That's okay, as long as I've got concealment, I can still hide, right?


    So, refs looking over stuff, LoS will be coming for you shortly, I assume.
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    Provided that there was no LOS when the hide was initiated, or you are in possession of an ability that allows you to hide while observed, yes.

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    @Mavian:

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    More smoke appears in the east/north east. You still cannot see him


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    I have informed him what he needs to know, play can resume. No Line of Sight

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    More smoke? There was smoke somewhere? Also what squares do I see it covering?
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

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    By smoke I mean his Breath of Night ability, similar to a fog cloud spell.

    It covers...

    U21 to Z26 and W/X20 and T23/24 (3)

    according to Chile. I'm not exactly sure on the area... I know it's a 20' radius spread, so I assume that entire area is covered.

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    Mike - Round 4?
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    Double move back to E21
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    Yes this is the 4th round, My turn
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    Breath of Night, Q/R 23/24 (see stat block for current fog)
    Move to U26 and hide (1d20-5)[10]
    Reactive Spot and Listen, respectively, for his turn
    (1d20+6)[14](1d20-2)[14]

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    HP: 15
    AC: 18 T14 F14
    Breath Delays- DB: 0 DFA: 0
    Position: U26, hiding
    Fog areas (start round):
    U21 to Z26 and W/X20 and T23/24 (3)
    O21 to T26 and N23/34 and U23/24 (4)

    Done. Again, you'll need reffage to relate what you see, unless you want to tell me where you are, then I can tell you.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    Mike - Round 5
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    Double move back to L6
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    If there's no LoS and I didn't hear anything on his move, then:
    Move to O26. Breath of Night D/E 23/24.
    Hide (1d20-5)[8]
    Reactive Spot and Listen, respectively, for his turn
    (1d20+6)[10](1d20-2)[1]

    If I did see/hear something, I'll change this move. Otherwise, I'm done and the LoS ref can let Mavian know.


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    HP: 15
    AC: 18 T14 F14
    Breath Delays- DB: 0 DFA: 0
    Position: O26, hiding
    Fog areas (start round):
    U21 to Z26 and W/X20 and T23/24 (3)
    O21 to T26 and N23/34 and U23/24 (4)
    B21 to G26 and A23/24, D/E20, H23/24 (5)


    Waiting for reffage.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

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    You spot him in L6


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    Line of sight to be determined by chile's move...


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    Reactive spot for mavian: (1d20+4)[8]
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    @Chile
    You spot him in L6
    So that's not possible because looking through 2 or more panes grants total concealment. I'm 'somewhere' in the fogginess which also grants total concealment.

    Mavian, how do you want to handle this leak of info?
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    I'm not that worried about, just pretend you never saw it
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    Alright, I'm done then, your turn.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

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    @Everyone, just dont want to interrupt the match
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    Breath of the Night specifically says it does not block line of sight. You beat his hide check with your spot check. I was going by the text of the ability being used... seeing as Specific trumps General.

    Also, could you point me to the location of the rule of two forms of concealment = total cover? I can't find it, but I've heard it somewhere before (maybe the minis game).
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    Total Concealment

    If you have line of effect to a target but not line of sight he is considered to have total concealment from you.
    Total Cover

    If you don’t have line of effect to your target he is considered to have total cover from you. You can’t make an attack against a target that has total cover.
    The Breath of Night doesn't block LoS, but through more than 5', it grants what's inside of it Total Concealment. You can still look through the fog though. That definitely doesn't make sense to me, but that's what I think it's saying.

    As for the glass, looking through two panes grants Total Concealment, therefore it blocks LoS. It's a solid wall so it also blocks LoE. He has both Total Cover and Total Concealment. Having one doesn't necessarily grant the other though. He's concealed because I can't see through the (tinted / distorted) glass, he has cover because there's a wall between us.


    edit: and no, two forms of concealment does not grant cover. There could be two different fog clouds between two people, but one can still shoot an arrow at the other.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    Let's just rewind to before Mavian's move that was revealed... It will make things easier then sitting here debating this.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

    I didn't know we were debating anything. Two panes of glass = no LoS. Look up the past matches in this Arena. Mavian already said he didn't care. It's his turn, there's no need to rewind. You asked about Cover vs. Concealment. I answered your question. You said you didn't want to interrupt the match, now you want to rewind it because I answered your question. Why?


    Mavian, it's your turn. You said you were okay with the accidental reveal. I didn't change my turn.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 38: Mike C Hammer vs. Chile V

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    Chile V is the winner by way of TKO.

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