Arena Tournament, Round 40: The Unstoppable Force vs. Jaras

[Morbius]

High Ref Morbius

Check EDIT above

[SamTheCleric]

I'm lookin' through the ToB now but I don't see anywhere that says I lose my stance if flat-footed. May want to have another Ref check on that.

If he did miss, you better believe I'm using Charging Minotaur

EDIT:

Durations

Stance: This duration indicates that the ability is a stance, and therefore ends only when you will it to end, when you become helpless, or when you fulfill a specific condition described in the stance's description

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

EDIT: Oh, stance of clarity... I don't have TOB with me now but don't you also lose a stance benefict when you are flat footed?

Only dodge bonuses. Stance of Clarity is an insight bonus, IIRC.

[SamTheCleric]

GM Kyeudo



Only dodge bonuses. Stance of Clarity is an insight bonus, IIRC.

Yup, Insight.

Does that mean I'm still alive and play continues?

[stupnick]

also, question, reading stance of clarity, would he not have had to see me before activating? since he never saw me, he should have never been able to activate it against me.

[SamTheCleric]

also, question, reading stance of clarity, would he not have had to see me before activating? since he never saw me, he should have never been able to activate it against me.

Nothing specific in the rules state that, just that I must choose a target. I assume I know I'm going to be fighting you before the match starts, therefore you are my target.

[FlyMolo]

Nothing specific in the rules state that, just that I must choose a target. I assume I know I'm going to be fighting you before the match starts, therefore you are my target.

Like Dodge. You don't need LoS for that. Specify a target, it says.

[SamTheCleric]

Well then, I'm going to see how this plays out. I will take more damage from the alchemist's fire on his next turn, so if I don't win right now, he wins.

Initiating Charging Minotaur and charge to S-13

[roll]1d20+6[roll]

Damage: (1d4+3)[6] Mavian pointed out that you don't deal normal damage while doing the Charging Minotaur strike.

Free Bull Rush Strength Check: (1d20+3)[22]

Damage if Bull Rush succeeds: (2d6+3)[7]

I also push you 5 ft for every 5 I beat your strength check.

[SamTheCleric]

Bah, screwed up the initial roll.

Slam attack, +2 for charge
(1d20+6)[21]

Ignore me. Mavian fixed my error with successful rules lawyering. Thank you Mavian!

[Mavian]

Quick rules lawyering.

Charging minotaur strike allows you to deal damage with a bull rush. It does not allow you to both attack, and bull rush at the same time. So your turn is not legal as entered. You must choose one or the other.

[SamTheCleric]

Well, I said I was initiating the maneuver, so ignore the slam attack damage.

If I succeed on the bull rush, I deal the damage...

Oh, and the bull rush gets another +2 for charging, so that's a 24 strength check.

[stupnick]

str check - (1d20+2)[21]

i will fall to -6 hp

you take (1d6)[2]

how is it handled with we are both at neg? do i get a chance to stabalize? and since humans heal naturally i would heal to 0 where i would win? since WF don't he won't ever heal w/o extra help, so i have all the time in the world. so if i stabalize, we would see who the sharks kill first? LOL

[SamTheCleric]

Technically you get -4 to your roll for being small size... but doesn't matter.

That is a good question, we both are in the negs.

C'mon DR, don't fail me now!

Need ref review!

[Morbius]

High Ref Morbius


I THINK that as Jaras was droped 1st TUF wins, but I don't remember the precedents

PS: Also I am assuming that the 2nd alchemist fire damage occurs in Jaras turn.

[Bayar]

Ref Bayar

Ok, dont understand a thing without round numbers, stats and the like.

things that I know:
Alchemists fire does damage on the round that it hit and on the target's next round (at the begining if it wasnt extinguished in the previos round)

If a player triggers a readied action or an AOO and that action/aoo kills him, his attack roll/damage/kill after the AOO/action is illegal since he already died.

[SamTheCleric]

It's not on the target's next action.

On the round following a direct hit, the target takes an additional 1d6 points of damage.

Its on the following round. He threw the alchemist fire at me this round, I charged him. Next round starts, on his turn, I take more damage.

Round 5
Jaras - No LoS
TUF - No LoS

Round 6
Jaras - Hits with Alchemist Fire dealing 10 damage, Misses with Acid Flask
TUF - Drinks potion of Repair Light Damage

Round 7
Jaras - No LoS, 1 extra damage from Alchemist's Fire on previous round
TUF - Move and throw a javelin for 5 damage

Round 8
Jaras - Throw Alchemist's Fire for 6 damage
TUF - Initiate Charging Minotaur, hit for 7 damage

Round 9
Jaras - Unconscious, Alchemist's Fire deals 2 points of extra damage
TUF - At -1 HP.

[KCiemir]

High Ref KC

Alright, if stupnick was dropped to -1 by the charging minoutuar, then the next round never starts, SamtheCleric is the winner right there. By precedent, the only time there is a bleed-off (stabilization rolls) is when both players are put into negative HP by the same action (such as a character with 0hp attacking and someone else and bringing them to negatives)

If only one player is in negatives at any time, that player loses and the other wins.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper
I thought the only reason someone being unconscious ended the match was because it's assumed the other contestant will finish him off. If they're both unconsious, that can't happen. Whoever wakes up first would be the winner because they can then do the coup de grace. I've never seen a match where both contestants were between -10 and 0 though, so I don't know the precedent.

[stupnick]

that was my assumption to, but i will abide by the ruling that get's called.

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

Conditions of Loss

• Going more than 130 feet above +0 feet in the arena, unless otherwise specified.
• Moving or being moved out of the arena bounds by any means. (The parts of the Ethereal Plane and the Plane of Shadow that are coexistant with the arena are included in the arena, so moving to these areas does not disqualify you.)
• Being rendered unable to continue fighting, usualy by being killed or rendered unconcious by being reduced to negative hit points. This also can include such conditions as being rendered dominated (but not Charmed), permanently incapable of acting, or other effects.
• Surrendering.
• Not posting within the given time limits.

The Unstoppable Force is the Winner!

[SamTheCleric]

Ok, after a crazy reversal of fate.. I managed to pull it out.

Good Game Stupnick... and still, I look forward to seeing you again in the final match.

[stupnick]

don't worry i will be there. and i will get you that time.