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2008-05-14, 11:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
High Ref Maurkov
@stupnickSpoilerI did some research, and you're in luck. These are fiendish spiders. The fiendish template bestows and INT of 3. Here, it says that any creature with an INT of 3 understands at least one language, common if not otherwise noted. I think fiendish creatures should understand infernal, but that's not mentioned in the template, so common it is.
However, I disallow having spiders spin sheets of web as a standard action. Real spiders take hours to build their traps. If you want to argue it, That's cool. I'll explain my reasoning based on RAW and then we'll get Kyeudo. If you don't, I need to inform KoG.
Looks like the question I came to answer has already been answered. Play on.Last edited by Maurkov; 2008-05-14 at 11:43 PM.
Business Trip 6/7 - 6/18. I'll try to keep up.
Gwydr
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2008-05-15, 12:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Ref's
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yes i would like to argue that...
according to the game it says it's the same as there webbing ability, which is a standard action to use, it produces the same amount of web, and has the same effect. it also has it's area determained by it's size, and personally that's what it can do in 1 action, if it is given time it could lay a trap covering the whole arena...
also why would you need to inform KoG? he should have no idea that they are there, unless he has made an ENORMOUS spot check, as stated DC 20 + ranged modifiers, and at his range i believe it's should have been at least 25 if not more. now with his modifier of +2 that means he has no idea that webs are there w/o reading my spoilers.
ref'in issue going on here
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2008-05-15, 12:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
High Ref Maurkov
@stupnickSpoileraccording to the game it says
also why would you need to inform KoG?
Now then. If you look here, we see that using a special ability is usually a standard action-- not "always", "usually".
Now compare supernatural ability to extraordinary ability:
Supernatural Abilities
Using a supernatural ability is usually a standard action (unless defined otherwise by the ability’s description). Its use cannot be disrupted, does not require concentration, and does not provoke attacks of opportunity.
Extraordinary Abilities
Using an extraordinary ability is usually not an action because most extraordinary abilities automatically happen in a reactive fashion. Those extraordinary abilities that are actions are usually standard actions that cannot be disrupted, do not require concentration, and do not provoke attacks of opportunity.
That "unless defined otherwise" clause is conspicuously missing from the Extraordinary Abilities. They take as long as they take.
Next, I point out the ambiguity of the spider entry. Because of the paragraph breaks, it isn't even clear that the sheet web is part of the Web(Ex) entry.
So that's the wiggle I see in the RAW. Appealing to reality, "An orb web might take 30 minutes to build, but a typical funnel web spider will keep adding to its sheet web for days or weeks."
Now lets ask Kyeudo to take a look.Business Trip 6/7 - 6/18. I'll try to keep up.
Gwydr
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2008-05-15, 01:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
GM Kyeudo
Alright, it apears that Stupnick has been acting on some false information. Most of the match has proceeded on illegal actions.
To be specific: Web-spinning spiders do not spin sheet webs as standard actions. Such an action takes too long to be within the scope of a summon spell(as all that came with the creature disapears when the spell left, including webbing).
We are rewinding back to here:
Stupnick can redo his action and we will continue from there.
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2008-05-15, 01:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
@ref's
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yes i would prefer to get more opinions on this as it is not defined by the monsters entry.
In the description of the creature
Spoiler
Web (Ex)
Both types of monstrous spiders often wait in their webs or in trees, then lower themselves silently on silk strands and leap onto prey passing beneath. A single strand is strong enough to support the spider and one creature of the same size. Web-spinners can throw a web eight times per day. This is similar to an attack with a net but has a maximum range of 50 feet, with a range increment of 10 feet, and is effective against targets up to one size category larger than the spider. An entangled creature can escape with a successful Escape Artist check or burst it with a Strength check. Both are standard actions whose DCs are given in the table below. The check DCs are Constitution-based, and the Strength check DC includes a +4 racial bonus.
Web-spinners often create sheets of sticky webbing from 5 to 60 feet square, depending on the size of the spider. They usually position these sheets to snare flying creatures but can also try to trap prey on the ground. Approaching creatures must succeed on a DC 20 Spot check to notice a web; otherwise they stumble into it and become trapped as though by a successful web attack. Attempts to escape or burst the webbing gain a +5 bonus if the trapped creature has something to walk on or grab while pulling free. Each 5-foot section has the hit points given on the table, and sheet webs have damage reduction 5/—.
A monstrous spider can move across its own web at its climb speed and can pinpoint the location of any creature touching its web.
it says shooting them is similiar to an attack with a net. but says nothing of placing them on the ground. one would assume that it would take the same amount of time to shoot that at a square of coverage. now since it says that they can entangle a create 1 size large, i would rule that the amount of webbing that is produce per shot/coverage would be the size of that creature
Tiny -5x5 since they can do small.
Small -5x10, but since it's sq'rd.. it would be either 5x5 or 10x5 (might have to adjust the coverage area) since they can cover medium creatures
Medium -10x10 since they can cover large creatures
Large -15x15 since they can do huge
Huge -20x20 since they can do Gargantuan
Gargantuan -40x40 since they can do Colossal
Colossal -60x60 since that's where it tops out.
now that stretches the limit from 5ft sq to 60ft sq, and follows the entry.
also now you will want to look, a small spider can do let's say 5x5 so that means in 1 day it can cover 200ft total. now for a creature the size of a small dog that would be a good equivalent.
Now if you want to go down in size, a normal everyday spider is fine sized, using these rules, they could cover 8/25ths of a square. since a diminutive creature is 1/25 of a square. which means about 6in-12in sq in 1 day.. which is a very close real life equivalent...
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can we not rewind, if you decide that no, they can not place traps, then we can just say the webbing isn't on the ground and it didn't take 1 of there web shootings.. and continue from there. now i know where he is and my spiders can charge him and shoot web at him to trap him.
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2008-05-15, 01:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
GM Kyeudo
1st, I read the complete discription of the spider. The webbing attacks similarity to a net has nothing to do with the discussion of the spider. Your assumptions also have no bearing. The spider can not spin sheet webs in the match.
2nd, we rewind by default. The changes in your actions because the spider was not setting traps most definately will alter the course of the map and likely the outcome. If KoG wants to continue sans traps, that could be allowed.
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2008-05-15, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
i will be restarting from round 2. i will post those actions w/in an hour, just have to drive to work.
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2008-05-15, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Round 2 Rewind
i finish casting my spell and move out of your LOS at the Z line to the north, so the last place you see me is Z7, then i step behind the building
actions
Spoiler
I summon a spider in Z6, then I take a double move to Z2.
to the spider "protect me till i command otherwise"
the spider will move to Z3 in support.
stats
Spoiler
Location: Z5
HP: 8
AC: 15 T: 10 F: 15
Turn Attempts 4
Spells:
0-Cure Minor Wounds x3
1-Summon Monster 1x2
1D-Summon Monster 1
Spider 1- 1/8 rounds
1d8+2 (6 hp)
30 ft. (6 squares), climb 20 ft.
14 (+1 size, +3 Dex), touch 14, flat-footed 11
+0/-6
Bite +4 melee (1d4+1d6cold plus poison DC12 1d3str)
Darkvision 60 ft., tremorsense 60 ft., vermin traits, cold subtype
Fort +2, Ref +3, Will +0
Str 11, Dex 17, Con 14, Int Ø, Wis 10, Cha 2
Climb +13, Hide +11*, Jump 0*, Spot +4*
Weapon Finesse
Web
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Web (Ex)
Both types of monstrous spiders often wait in their webs or in trees, then lower themselves silently on silk strands and leap onto prey passing beneath. A single strand is strong enough to support the spider and one creature of the same size. Web-spinners can throw a web eight times per day. This is similar to an attack with a net but has a maximum range of 50 feet, with a range increment of 10 feet, and is effective against targets up to one size category larger than the spider. An entangled creature can escape with a successful Escape Artist check or burst it with a Strength check. Both are standard actions whose DCs are given in the table below. The check DCs are Constitution-based, and the Strength check DC includes a +4 racial bonus.
Escape Artist DC12 Break DC16 HP4
your go
you are still in your starting square, where you had your bow in your hand.
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2008-05-15, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Thank you for the reminder, and you should be sure to double check your spoiler tags before you post. I'll do my best to ignore it.
Actions:
SpoilerDouble move: From D11 to B6 to D2
Stats:
SpoilerHp: 10/10
AC: Full AC 16, Flat-Footed 14, Touch 12 (+4 Armor, +2 Dex)
+2 to Bluff, Listen, Spot, Sense Motive and Survival Checks against humans, +2 to damage rolls
Done.
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2008-05-15, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
ty : )
actions
Spoiler
casting another spell.
spider will ready an action to web him, and the spider has tremor sense so he will know if he is w/in 60ft of our position.
stats
Spoiler
Location: Z2
HP: 8
AC: 15 T: 10 F: 15
Turn Attempts 4
Spells:
0-Cure Minor Wounds x3
1-Summon Monster 1x2
1D-Summon Monster 1
Spider 1- 2/8 rounds
1d8+2 (6 hp)
30 ft. (6 squares), climb 20 ft.
14 (+1 size, +3 Dex), touch 14, flat-footed 11
+0/-6
Bite +4 melee (1d4+1d6cold plus poison DC12 1d3str)
Darkvision 60 ft., tremorsense 60 ft., vermin traits, cold subtype
Fort +2, Ref +3, Will +0
Str 11, Dex 17, Con 14, Int Ø, Wis 10, Cha 2
Climb +13, Hide +11*, Jump 0*, Spot +4*
Weapon Finesse
Web
Spoiler
Web (Ex)
Both types of monstrous spiders often wait in their webs or in trees, then lower themselves silently on silk strands and leap onto prey passing beneath. A single strand is strong enough to support the spider and one creature of the same size. Web-spinners can throw a web eight times per day. This is similar to an attack with a net but has a maximum range of 50 feet, with a range increment of 10 feet, and is effective against targets up to one size category larger than the spider. An entangled creature can escape with a successful Escape Artist check or burst it with a Strength check. Both are standard actions whose DCs are given in the table below. The check DCs are Constitution-based, and the Strength check DC includes a +4 racial bonus.
Escape Artist DC12 Break DC16 HP4
your go
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2008-05-15, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
No problem.
Actions:
SpoilerTaking a 5-foot step to D1 and calling for LOS
Stats:
SpoilerHp: 10/10
AC: Full AC 16, Flat-Footed 14, Touch 12 (+4 Armor, +2 Dex)
+2 to Bluff, Listen, Spot, Sense Motive and Survival Checks against humans, +2 to damage rolls
Waiting for Ref before continuing.
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2008-05-15, 12:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
High Ref Sam
@KoG:
SpoilerYou see him at Z2, he has cover relative to you.
@Stupnick
SpoilerYou see him at D1.
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2008-05-15, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
High Ref Maurkov
@stupnickSpoilerNo LoS.
You have to choose which spell you're casting when you being casting. I know you've pretty much only got SMI's prepared, but it helps the poor overworked refs.
@KoGSpoilerNo LoS.Business Trip 6/7 - 6/18. I'll try to keep up.
Gwydr
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2008-05-15, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Refs:
SpoilerSo.... We have two different conclusions here. Which one should I be paying attention to?
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2008-05-15, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
two different LOS checks from two ref's both with different things..LOL this is interesting...
also
@ref's
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sorry, i figured since it was the only spell mem'd it would be obvious. but i will list
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2008-05-15, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
High Ref Maurkov
I was ninja'd by KoG (and Sam). Sam's call is correct.Business Trip 6/7 - 6/18. I'll try to keep up.
Gwydr
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2008-05-15, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Ninja Ref to the Rescue!
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2008-05-15, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Alright then
Actions:
Continuing Move to I1
Taking a shot at Fannir.
Attack - (1d20+3)[9]
Damage - (1d8+2)[6]
Stats:
SpoilerHp: 10/10
AC: Full AC 16, Flat-Footed 14, Touch 12 (+4 Armor, +2 Dex)
+2 to Bluff, Listen, Spot, Sense Motive and Survival Checks against humans, +2 to damage rolls
19 Arrows remaining (+1 recoverable on 50% if a miss; Calling low- (1d100)[2] )
Done
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2008-05-15, 03:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
you lose sight of me again
actions
Spoiler
a Small Fiendish Viper appears in Z4.
i take a 5 ft step to Z3 and begin casting my spell from the scroll
the spider will 5ft step to z2 and hide (1d20+15)[34]
both vermin will ready actions to attack him if he comes close. the spider will web him if he is w/in 30 feet and reachable. the snake will move to attack him next round.
Stats
Spoiler
Location: Z3
HP: 8
AC: 15 T: 10 F: 15
Turn Attempts 2
Spells:
0-Cure Minor Wounds x3
1-Summon Monster 1x2
1D-Summon Monster 1
Spider1- 3/8 rounds
Spoiler
1d8+2 (6 hp)
30 ft. (6 squares), climb 20 ft.
14 (+1 size, +3 Dex), touch 14, flat-footed 11
+0/-6
Bite +4 melee (1d4+1d6cold plus poison DC12 1d3str)
Darkvision 60 ft., tremorsense 60 ft., vermin traits, cold subtype
Fort +2, Ref +3, Will +0
Str 11, Dex 17, Con 14, Int Ø, Wis 10, Cha 2
Climb +13, Hide +11*, Jump 0*, Spot +4*
Weapon Finesse
Web
Spoiler
Web (Ex)
Both types of monstrous spiders often wait in their webs or in trees, then lower themselves silently on silk strands and leap onto prey passing beneath. A single strand is strong enough to support the spider and one creature of the same size. Web-spinners can throw a web eight times per day. This is similar to an attack with a net but has a maximum range of 50 feet, with a range increment of 10 feet, and is effective against targets up to one size category larger than the spider. An entangled creature can escape with a successful Escape Artist check or burst it with a Strength check. Both are standard actions whose DCs are given in the table below. The check DCs are Constitution-based, and the Strength check DC includes a +4 racial bonus.
Escape Artist DC12 Break DC16 HP4
Snake1 -1/8
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/snake.htm#viperSnake
your go
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2008-05-15, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Awww, but don't you want to come out and play?
Action:
SpoilerMoving to J7, requesting LOS
Stats:
SpoilerHp: 10/10
AC: Full AC 16, Flat-Footed 14, Touch 12 (+4 Armor, +2 Dex)
+2 to Bluff, Listen, Spot, Sense Motive and Survival Checks against humans, +2 to damage rolls
19 Arrows remaining, Unbroken on Z2
Calling in the refs once more.
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2008-05-15, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
The line of sight train pulls into the station...
@KoG
SpoilerNo LoS
@Stupnick
SpoilerNo LoS.
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2008-05-15, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Further Actions
SpoilerDouble Move to O9
Stats:
SpoilerHp: 10/10
AC: Full AC 16, Flat-Footed 14, Touch 12 (+4 Armor, +2 Dex)
+2 to Bluff, Listen, Spot, Sense Motive and Survival Checks against humans, +2 to damage rolls
19 Arrows remaining, Unbroken on Z2
Done.
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2008-05-15, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
ref please
Spoiler
i ask my spider, who understands common, if he is within 60ft, and if so point to the direction. he has tremor sense.
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2008-05-16, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Need some clarification.
@stupnick:
SpoilerWhere is your spider?Last edited by SamTheCleric; 2008-05-16 at 08:23 AM.
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2008-05-16, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
@Sam
Spoiler
he is located in Z2, which means he has tremor sense out to the N line. and down to the 14 line as well..
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2008-05-16, 09:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
@Stupnick
SpoilerYour spider looks towards the southwest
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2008-05-16, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Actions
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finishing casting my spell (1d3)[2] scorpions appear in Z7, Z8, Z9 respectively.
they will charge him.
i tell both my viper and spider to charge him as well
i begin casting another summon monster spell
post again in a second.. seeing results of a roll
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2008-05-16, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
2 scorpions appear in Z7 and Z8, both small sized.
Looking right at you, they charge you (if able, will get a ref to clarify this)
Scorpion1
(1d20+3)[13]
(1d3-1)[2] min 1
if that hits, grapple roll
(1d20-4)[12] (it's 1d20+bab+str mod, so 1d20+6 for you)
and if that wins
you take (1d3-1)[0] min 1 more damage
Scorpion2
(1d20+3)[8]
(1d3-1)[0] min 1
if that hits, grapple roll
(1d20-4)[-1] (it's 1d20+bab+str mod, so 1d20+6 for you)
and if that wins
you take (1d3-1)[2] min 1 more damage
You then see a small snake slither out around the corner ending in U7
Then a spider comes crawling around the corner ending in X7 and launches webbing at you,
Ranged Touch - (1d20+4)[24]
-2 if in W or V
-4 if in T or U
-6 if in R or S
-8 if in P or Q
-10 if in N or O
stats
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Location: Z3
HP: 8
AC: 15 T: 10 F: 15
Turn Attempts 2
Spells:
0-Cure Minor Wounds x3
1-Summon Monster 1x2
1D-Summon Monster 1
Spider1- 4/8 rounds 6hp
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm
Augment Summoning and Beckon The Frost (+4str/con +1d6 Cold)
Snake1 -2/8 6hp
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/snake.htm#viperSnake
Augment Summoning and Beckon The Frost (+4str/con +1d6 Cold)
Scorpion1 -1/3 6hp
Scorption2 -1/3 6hp
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/m...usScorpion.htm
your go
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2008-05-16, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
since the net hit you, auto hit with a nat 20...
you are entangled
Originally Posted by SRD
Escape Artist DC12 Break DC16
whether you can move or not when entangled by a spider, it is up to the ref's
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2008-05-16, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Arena Tournament, Round 41: Fannir vs Broken-Stick Ragefire
Good job there on the reveal. Perhaps I should ask you for tips later for my Psionic Shaper?
Currently, I'm in O9. I don't think your scorpions have enough movement to make the charge from Z. I'll let you decide what they're doing or determime if they can make it before doing anything.