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2008-05-20, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Best military infantry organization?
I would have to go with the Cadre from In Fury Born.
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2008-05-20, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Depends entirely how we evaluate 'best.' Best trained, best equiped, best at holding ground, best at taking ground, best at atmospheric insertions, best at overcoming plot armor, all are valid criteria for bestness.
That said I de-nominate Imperial Stormtroopers from just about everything, and certainly from being able to overcome plot armor.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
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2008-05-20, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
The Imperial Guard
Who needs training, equipment, skill, etc when their regiments are the size of entire armies?
Then again, the Guard sucks without their tanks. That's how they lost the Battle of Waterloo.Dark Souls Remake in a Nutshell
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2008-05-20, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
To me it comes down to a close run between the Cadre from In Fury Born and the MI from Starship troopers.
Both have badass powered armour and are extremely well trained, but I think the MI has an edge in sheer destructive capability.
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2008-05-20, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-20, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-20, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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NOT Doctor Who's UNIT.
Definitely not.GNU Terry Pratchett
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2008-05-20, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Space marines from 40k.
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2008-05-20, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Spartans from 300
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2008-05-20, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-20, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-20, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Yeah, I don't think they would stand up to things like the MI, SM, Cadre, Empress's Own, Wasp's, etc.
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You may be right, I haven't read ST in a while and I don't have my copy handy to check. Although that does beg the question, "Why use nuclear grenades when you can use KEW?"
And the Cadre do have HVW (Hyper Velocity Weapons) which are kiloton level weapons (standard issue when in heavy weapons configuration).
I also think that the base Cadre solider is superior to the base MI solider (no gear). They start off with superior humans, the training is tougher, and their personal augmentation package is far superior. And the tick...
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2008-05-20, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm a fan of the Warhammer 40k Imperial guard. But there are so many different varients, a Catchan guardsmen, for example, is hardly similar to a Tallarn Guardmsen. Personally, my favorite Guard Regiments
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The Valhallen 597th (but that's mainly because it includes COMMISSAR CIAPHUS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM)
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2008-05-20, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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My imperial guard regiment was "recruited" from criminals. Hordes of conscripts, realty violent and dangerous criminals is special squads, herded forwards by Independent Commissars and Commissars in vehicles really really brutal officers.
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2008-05-20, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
You may be right, I haven't read ST in a while and I don't have my copy handy to check. Although that does beg the question, "Why use nuclear grenades when you can use KEW?"
A PeeVee effectively destroys everything inside a kilometre making it far easier to deploy than a KEW that requires you to evacuate the entire area so taht your troops won't get hit by the shockwave. Mind, I'm assuming C-fractional strikes here. I haven't read In Fury Born for quite some time but I think that's what they use.
On top of that it take a lot of time to set up an orbital strike. Even if you're just going to drop something from orbit it still requires that you move a spaceship into position in order to drop it, and if you're going for a C-fractional strike you'll have to leave orbit entirely in order to attain the necessary speed. A PeeVee on the other hand, you just launch and dive for cover.
Lastly there's the enemy. The Cadre fights human opponents that utilize roughly the same type of equipment as the Cadre. Powered armour, automatic weapons, prepared positions and I think the occasional armoured vehicle pops up as well. And most importantly, they fight above ground.
The MI on the other hand is fighting against a race of giant insects that live in underground hives. This makes targeting them from orbit extremely hard and there's a good chance that they'll be buried deep enough to survive a KEW strike. In this case it makes more sense to bring a nuke with you (since you're already going down there) set the timer and evacuate to a safe distance.
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2008-05-20, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Actually they can be for more precise than that. They don't use C-Fractional strikes as tactical weapons.
On top of that it take a lot of time to set up an orbital strike. Even if you're just going to drop something from orbit it still requires that you move a spaceship into position in order to drop it, and if you're going for a C-fractional strike you'll have to leave orbit entirely in order to attain the necessary speed. A PeeVee on the other hand, you just launch and dive for cover.
Lastly there's the enemy. The Cadre fights human opponents that utilize roughly the same type of equipment as the Cadre. Powered armour, automatic weapons, prepared positions and I think the occasional armoured vehicle pops up as well. And most importantly, they fight above ground.
The MI on the other hand is fighting against a race of giant insects that live in underground hives. This makes targeting them from orbit extremely hard and there's a good chance that they'll be buried deep enough to survive a KEW strike. In this case it makes more sense to bring a nuke with you (since you're already going down there) set the timer and evacuate to a safe distance.
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2008-05-20, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, weaponized blackholes, is there anything you can't slove?
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2008-05-20, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
The Andromeda Ascendant stopping by. :D
That being the only other universe I can think of that has weaponized black holes in it.
Hmm. I wonder what universe's could take the Terran Empire without massive numerical superiority (like the IoM or Systems Commonwealth, although the SC prolly doesn't need said size to win).
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2008-05-20, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Harrington universe or the Crusade/In Dead Ground/The Shiva Option/Insurrection might all work. Mostly because each sides naval fights work in similar enough ways, yet with subtle differences.
Plus, I believe that the Honerverse ships have both the best engines and the best missiles. I don't have hard numbers, but from what I remember, the are the fastest out of all the universes, and is doesn't seem like much can beat the impeller wedge.Last edited by MeklorIlavator; 2008-05-20 at 06:30 PM.
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2008-05-20, 06:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Actually they can be for more precise than that. They don't use C-Fractional strikes as tactical weapons.
The ship is usually in orbit already and as I said, you don't need or want c-fractional strikes.
And it is actually a better idea to compare HVW's to PV's (both are hand held).
They also fight those aliens, Rith or something like that.
The Rith are essentially Rubberforehead aliens whereas the Bugs are truly alien.
See, thats when the empire just fires a SLAM at the world and moves on. Bug problem solved.
Hmm. I wonder what universe's could take the Terran Empire without massive numerical superiority (like the IoM or Systems Commonwealth, although the SC prolly doesn't need said size to win).
I wonder how a black hole would react to an impeller missile.
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2008-05-20, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Uhhh, a slam would tear the planet apart, so its a weapon of somewhat last resort.
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2008-05-20, 06:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-20, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Yeah, the Wasp's would be a better comparison for all up wars.
Not quite. While a HVW is a truly devastating weapon (Practically a handheld KEW) it doesn't have the blast range of a PeeVee. It might be better to think of it as a LAW type weapon, since that's how they use them. (Blasting vehicles and dug in positions.)
But unlike the bugs, the Rith fight more or less like humans. They tend to be quite a bit more motivated, I'll give you that, but their way of waging war is essentially the same. Add to that the fact that the Rith, unlike the Bugs, are behind the humans technology-wise.
The Rith are essentially Rubberforehead aliens whereas the Bugs are truly alien.
That's where Zims little talk about overkill kicks in. After all, what if you want to use the planet afterwards? Unless you want to make the galaxy's largest ice..erh.. glass skating resort you won't really be able to use it for anything afterwards.
I'll give this one to the Honorverse. They know how to detect gravity (Ie. Black holes) and they can see where they're going. Their ships also seems to be far more capable in general. Well except for those AI ships, but they don't seem to mount weapons powerful enough to seriously threaten an SD.
I wonder how a black hole would react to an impeller missile.
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2008-05-20, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Wait, is this which is the best combat wise, which is the best on a squad level, or which is our favorite
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2008-05-20, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait, is this which is the best combat wise, which is the best on a squad level, or which is our favorite
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2008-05-20, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-05-20, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
My nominee for 'best in a midievil fantasy setting' is the First Dragon Army Engineering Regiment.
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2008-05-20, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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If we're going for fantasy I'll say either the Bridgeburners or one of the Engineering troops from the Malazan Empire. Sharpers anyone?
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2008-05-20, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Just a note on the whole nuke vs. kinetic interdiction strike debate against enemies in underground hives- the KIS would actually be better than the nuke for all practical purposes. A nuke delivers its energy in an expanding sphere, so unless you actually get it inside the hive, a lot of the energy is going to go outwards and upwards, and so be wasted. A direct KIS however will deliver all of it's energy downwards into the hive, meaning that to obtain the same level of dead-insectness, you would need only a fraction of the energy in the KIS when compared to the nuke.
Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
When they shot him down on the highway,
Down like a dog on the highway,And he lay in his blood on the highway, with the bunch of lace at his throat.
Alfred Noyes, The Highwayman, 1906.
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2008-05-20, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Best military infantry organization?
Plus, nukes tend to deliver large amounts of radiation to the area, while KIS strikes do not, therefore they are much better if you want substantial use out of the planet afterwards.
Also, isn't it stated in Starship Troopers that if the bugs are dug in, it make more sense to destroy the planet with the planet busting nukes, and that the only reason they didn't at the beginning is that they didn't have access to such technology?