GitP Prestige Class Contest Chat Thread

[Mr.Bookworm]

Both are artificially low, since this is an NPC-PrC

I suppose.

I thought it was just supposed to build something of an NPC class, not act as a class pretty much un-playable to PCs.

Which is why I tried to make mine playable in a non-optimizing normal campaign.

If that's not the case, though...

[celtois]

ok sweet I have my crunch done and I know the flavour...now to work on the wording

[dman11235]

And Angry Mob Rioter takes it! I must say, I didn't think it was possible to top the Evil Overlord, but this one made me laugh a lot as well. Great job this time guys.

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

Now I'm curious about the next contest. I'm utterly without inspiration right now and I need a jump-start.

[Xallace]

Now I'm curious about the next contest. I'm utterly without inspiration right now and I need a jump-start.

Same. Can't wait.

[thegurullamen]

I vote for something ghosty!

[Owrtho]

How bout for the next contest, those without a sound mind. They're insane, so you don't have to be.

Owrtho

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

How bout for the next contest, those without a sound mind. They're insane, so you don't have to be.

Owrtho

Yeah, we can name it "Krimm Wins This PrC Contest!"

[Vaynor]

Yeah, we can name it "Krimm Wins This PrC Contest

almost but then loses it to Vaynor!"

[Owrtho]

Just curious, but does the class actualy have to mind control, or could it just screw over other's minds... Cuz if it's the latter, I have a somewhat fun idea fo a class already (though dm's might hate it due to it giving them extra work).

Owrtho

[Siegel]

Is it allowed to post inspiration for other people since i'm completly unproficent with designing D&D stuff.

[dman11235]

You must control aspects of the mind. I was purposefully vague on what that meant, so you could, say, use control to make people think so well they get stronger, or something, but could also just control actions, or inhibit actions or something.

I don't see why not, but the submissions thread is for submissions only. And the entries must be original work, so ideas and they do all of the work would probably be fine, but if you're involved in the creation process.....

[Xallace]

Well this is a tough one, considering how straight-forward "mind control" is. But that's a nice challenge. Gauntlet thrown, gauntlet picked up, and now I'm about to Dominate a mind with the Gauntlet.

[dman11235]

That's why I left it open to various definitions and degrees of mind control. For instance, a PrC dedicated to controlling friendly minds and making them strong fits the bill. Or someone devoted to tearing down an opponent's mental defenses and faculties. Or just straight control.

[Owrtho]

What about someone who affects the opponent's mental state? Like say causing insanity. Or other simmilar things.

Owrtho

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

Now I'm curious. Does it count if someone's become immune to insanity and things like it, and also imposes sanity and mental degradation on others?

If so, I have a plethora of entries to choose from.

[boomwolf]

Utlize mind control? don't we have the mindbender for that?

Anyway, its a great chance to make something I was thinking about for quite some time (dreamblade-using a sword to force others into sleep/nightmares/illustrations/insanity etc etc...)

It works for the competition as rule-wise right? sleep IS a mind-effecting spell after all.e

[dman11235]

Well, the Mindbender sucks, and is a tad too specific.

Owrtho and Krimm have it right. You don't have to control the whole mind, just aspects of it. Be creative. Something like causing people to think better and thus boosting combat aspects would even work. Yes, this is probably the most general one I will do.

[boomwolf]

But I like playing mindbender...they are too fun flavor-wise...

Anyways-got a new idea that will push the bounds of DnD the same way the untap symbol pushed the bounds of MTG...I got in love with the sleep factor, but I'm taking it another way, instead of a crowd-control melee I'll take it to a supernatural direction.

Jest before I go there-am I allowed to add a related feat? (for requirement purpose.)

[DracoDei]

Well, I have started working up something for this...
Going to be based on Squirro (sp) the telepathic horse from the "Mode" series by Piers Anthony (no they aren't nearly as silly as they sound).

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

Fall down in fear and unknowing as your mind is rended like the still-breathing carcass of a dead cow being eaten by something man was not meant to see. The warped angel is something that will drill holes into your mind and destroy your sanity! Fall before it! FALL!!

[Mr.Bookworm]

Fall down in fear and unknowing as your mind is rended like the still-breathing carcass of a dead cow being eaten by something man was not meant to see. The warped angel is something that will drill holes into your mind and destroy your sanity! Fall before it! FALL!!

Krimm, every time I fear the world has run out of ToB content, you make another PrC.

On another note, I've been working on my own, which will invariably lose. Practice is always handy, though.

[Lord_Gareth]

I think I'll make something around Despair; I call 'im the Nihilator.

[AsuroftheStair]

Firstly, hello, I look forward to seeing the other submissions! Secondly, the following was mistakenly posted on the Contest thread:

@ Anor: Thanks!
@ Krimm: I've never had/played with any one from the ToB, so I can't talk about it from a crunch perspective, but it is a really cool idea! Also, really great picture!

[Xallace]

I figure I can't compete with things like Despair, DID, and Kuh-raaAAAAaaz-iness; the interest in such things is just too high! But I'm going to toss in a class on Confidence and Hope anyway. Let's see if I can make Optimism kick some posterior.

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

I figure I can't compete with things like Despair, DID, and Kuh-raaAAAAaaz-iness; the interest in such things is just too high! But I'm going to toss in a class on Confidence and Hope anyway. Let's see if I can make Optimism kick some posterior.

Hiissssss.

[DracoDei]

I have kinda run out of energy... getting it posted so I can maybe get some feedback/encouragement might help, but since I have to weed through all the basic psionic powers (not those specific to a specific sub-class of psion) it is going slowly... also, coming up with how the class interacts with the rest of the world is a bit hard... these guys don't work well alone (at all...), and in a group they fade into the background to an outside observer.

Exactly how complete should it be before I post it?


Edit: Posted, feedback very much appreicated! Especially on how good their powers list is compared to a single-classed Telepath (it should be a bit worse since they are getting better saves BAB and skill points, not to mention the core ability of the class),

[AsuroftheStair]

A cool concept which can be made really awesome with some tweeking.

• I saw that the Benign Telepath has hinted abilities in Benign Telepathy (Body becoming unparalyzed and being able to initiate psionics). Were you still thinking of still adding those? If the Body is going to be unparalyzed, I think having the original player take over the body would be best.
• Since the Benign Telepathy has such a limited duration, can't take over an unwilling target, and have to sustain the effect, maybe you should get rid of Mind Switch's XP penalty.

Mind Switch, as it replaces the target, seems (to me) to be out of the vein of this class. I personally had two ideas of how to adjust this, both of which involves the target staying in primary control of the body:

1. Powers are purely mental actions, so have the Benign Telepath inhabit the body and supplement the host with psionics.
2. Psionically themed combo attacks! If you made two or three general abilities for each type of "power source" (as 4.0. Ex. Augment Spells with Power Points) staggered over the levels (Combos I, Combos II, Combos III).

Somewhat in this vein, you could make the character (over the levels) become less & less connected with his own body, at 10th level living in other people's bodies for all the time (a beneficial symbiotic relationship).

[DracoDei]

A cool concept which can be made really awesome with some tweeking.

Thank you very much, nice to know that I have some potential in PrCs as well as creatures.

I saw that the Benign Telepath has hinted abilities in Benign Telepathy (Body becoming unparalyzed and being able to initiate psionics). Were you still thinking of still adding those? If the Body is going to be unparalyzed, I think having the original player take over the body would be best.

Well... pragmatically what should happen is that the original players maintain control of the same characters once things get to that point. Technically it is going to be the Benign Controller controlling both bodies with the host kibitzing mentally in the host's body, but having a player sitting around doing nothing too often is not good mechanics design.

Since the Benign Telepathy has such a limited duration, can't take over an unwilling target, and have to sustain the effect, maybe you should get rid of Mind Switch's XP penalty.

Yeah... just knew that was the general ballpark of the effect I wanted, just hadn't read it recently enough. XP cost is definitely going away.

Mind Switch, as it replaces the target, seems (to me) to be out of the vein of this class. I personally had two ideas of how to adjust this, both of which involves the target staying in primary control of the body:

Actually, that is the whole point of the class... a bit interestingly ironic to be sure but that is part of the uniqueness. Remember though that the base mind can kibitz (and grab control back at any time, but that kinda defeats the purpose). They take people over to do what those people can't for them... which is why they get full BAB, 2 good saves, and a good number of skill points (should probably bump that up to 6+INT or 8+INT instead of 4+INT). Not to mention the fighter type feats (yes, the feats are from the fighter bonus feat list, possibly also skill focus and a few other such things...).

Powers are purely mental actions, so have the Benign Telepath inhabit the body and supplement the host with psionics.

As soon as they get the ability to manifest powers while inside another person's head this will definitely be one mode availible to them. But only powers that target the host's body.

Psionically themed combo attacks! If you made two or three general abilities for each type of "power source" (as 4.0. Ex. Augment Spells with Power Points) staggered over the levels (Combos I, Combos II, Combos III).

I loath 4E so I am not sure exactly what you are talking about, but it sounds like an interesting concept... not sure if their is room for it in with the other ideas I have...

Somewhat in this vein, you could make the character (over the levels) become less & less connected with his own body, at 10th level living in other people's bodies for all the time (a beneficial symbiotic relationship).

That could be very good...

[Enlong]

Similar but the reverse of Orthrow's question: Does the class have to exert control over a person's mind, or is the brain enough? Would a class that controls people by hijacking their central nervous system, while the actual creature sits helpless in a corner of their mind fit in? (I suppose the question is: Do you consider the Yeerks to use mind control?)