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2011-09-03, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Will Julia return?
Anyone remember Julia, Roy's little sister and Eugene's favorite child? Who here thinks she might return, and under what circumstance?
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2011-09-03, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-04, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
She'll return and marry Vaarsuvius, and their children will be hermaphroditic Duskblades or something.
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2011-09-04, 12:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
It would be cool to see her become the team Teleporter in the long term. Unfortunately unless the comic drags out longer than expected, Julia is unlikely to gain the necessary experience. She's need to be 9th level to use Teleport, and even then she'd only be able to teleport 3 of the Order with her per trip. So even specialising in conjuration she's not alot of good. Last we heard she was 3rd level, and while the amount of experience you need to get from 3 to 9 is relatively easy compared to moving from 15 to 16, I don't think there's enough time unfortunately.
Besides, it'd be easier for Celia to fill this job on the team roster, she's alot closer for one thing.
EDIT- speaking of which, wow, Shojo's best Wizard must have been awesome. He'd be what, 18th level? They really should have resurrected him already to help the resistance.Last edited by MagusBloodsoak; 2011-09-04 at 12:28 AM.
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2011-09-04, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
Eh, Its iffy. She's not a major character. She's just as likely to return as Jenny is.
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2011-09-04, 12:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-04, 12:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-04, 05:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
My pet theory is that after the current gate is destroyed, and 1-2 members of the Order are dead, the rifts have increased to such a size that people actually starts noticing them. When Julia realizes that the guy looking for the rifts is the same guy she has that pesky blood oath to destroy, she realizes that if she wants to enter the afterlife she pretty much must take her chances at the present time. And her best odds are teaming up with the only group currently trying to foil Xykon, i.e. the Order. So they team up.
I fully expect to be wrong; the Giant seems to ignore the argument that it lies in the younger Greenhilt's interest to have Xykon destroyed.
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2011-09-04, 06:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
The thing is, I don't think enough time exists for Julia to become useful. I'd like it if it were otherwise, because she seems like an interesting addition to the Order, but she has basically nothing to offer them right now. Even if she's jumped up to level 4 since we last saw her, that's still pathetic. The Kato's are higher than that.
Celia as team teleporter in the future makes more sense, since she can't be far off.
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2011-09-04, 06:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
I don't see much chance of her returning.
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2011-09-04, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-04, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
I see no point. She's in Cliffport and there's no reason for the Order to back there and no reason for her to come to the Order.
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2011-09-04, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-04, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
1) The Blood Oath is passed to the elder surviving descendant, which is Roy. Julia is, right now, not affected at all by the Oath. (And, if the Oath hereditary rules work similar to a Monarchy, she may never be affected at all, provided Roy manages to sire some children).
Of course, Julia should realize that as soon as her brother is trounced, chances are good that she will be burdened with it (as Roy lacks children and as the inheritancy rules of the Oath might affect her before Roy's possible scions). However...
2) Julia is True Neutral. Which means she couldn't care less about a Blood Oath that prevents her soul into Celestia.Last edited by The Pilgrim; 2011-09-04 at 10:49 AM.
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2011-09-04, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
This isn't true. The Blood Oath doesn't specify anything about eldest descendants, just descendants, it passes on to all of them.
2) Julia is True Neutral. Which means she couldn't care less about a Blood Oath that prevents her soul into Celestia.Official Incense Aroma Specialist for the Vaarsuvius Fan Club!
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2011-09-04, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
True, but I thought Uncle Roy's bad influence might corrupt them a little bit.
EDIT- speaking of which, wow, Shojo's best Wizard must have been awesome. He'd be what, 18th level? They really should have resurrected him already to help the resistance.
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2011-09-04, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
I wonder about that. After all, Roy's little brother was unaffected by the Blood Oath. This may be because he was a child, but we have no proof of that.
And at the very least the positive side of the Blood Oath's magic, getting advice and poorly worded predictions from your ancestor, doesn't work for the youngest. If that half of the oath doesn't work I think one could assume the negative half doesn't either.
It might be true it effects all adult children equally, though one would then have to ask what the oath would consider an adult, perhaps when you earn your first class level. I would personally lean towards no, however.
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2011-09-04, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
I hate to break it to the forum, but not every minor character will have a part to play throughout the entire plot. Julia served her purpose, and now that she can no longer contribute to the plot, is never coming back, maybe to congratulate Roy on killing Xyklon at the end, but that's it.
Anyone remember how the pig-man that got his hand cut off by Obi-Wan in the Star Wars Cantina swore revenge on Obi-Wan and Luke and reappeared later in Episode V? Right, because a good storyteller doesn't bring back minor characters into the plot when it's completely unnecessary.
Yes, the Giant did bring back ADB, but that's because he likes to subvert tropes and it was interesting because no-one expected it. Now, half the forum seems to think that every minor character from Hilga to the thieves at the inn are going to return in some way. If the giant is a good writer, he probably won't overuse a difficult to pull off anti-trope, because then it will become repetitive and annoying.
Sorry for the rant, I'm just sick of all these "Will X Come Back?" threads.
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2011-09-04, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, it is more than likely because he was unaware of the blood oath. You aren't penalized for failing to fulfill an oath you weren't ever informed of :)
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I mean... compared to M. Night Shyamalan or Uwe Boll... ok... but in general?Official Incense Aroma Specialist for the Vaarsuvius Fan Club!
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2011-09-04, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-04, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-04, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Haha, yes, I'm sorry for calling Lucas a good storyteller. BUT, the original star wars trilogy WAS good. The story that was told was good, that's why I'm using it as an example.
EDIT: And I actually liked most of M. Night's movies (haven't seen Devil though and Happening sucked badly). Not gonna defend Mr. Boll though....Last edited by Nathan The Lame; 2011-09-04 at 03:42 PM.
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2011-09-04, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
Roy DID get accepted into his afterlife, without having to fulfill the Blood Oath. Which means that the Blood Oath, per se, doesn't stop you from being accepted into an afterlife.
It's the guy (or girl, in Roy's case) guarding the entrance which can use the Oath as grounds to keep you out. Roy would have been rejected from Celestia if he had refused to adress the Blood Oath - for the very act of refusing responsibility, not for the Oath per se -, but I doubt any judge from a non-lawful(ish) afterlife would care about it.
In fact, "I totally failed to give a **** about a Blood Oath some ancestor of mine swore while drunk" would equal to being received as a Hero in any chaotic afterlife.Last edited by The Pilgrim; 2011-09-04 at 03:16 PM.
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2011-09-04, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, but Roy died trying to fulfill it, the express words imply it WOULD HAVE kept him out otherwise.
[QUOTE]It's the guy (or girl, in Roy's case) guarding the entrance which can use the Oath as grounds to keep you out. Roy would have been rejected from Celestia if he had refused to adress the Blood Oath - for the very act of refusing responsibility, not for the Oath per se -, but I doubt any judge from a non-lawful(ish) afterlife would care about it.
In fact, "I totally failed to give a **** about a Blood Oath some ancestor of mine swore while drunk" would equal to being received as a Hero in any chaotic afterlife.Official Incense Aroma Specialist for the Vaarsuvius Fan Club!
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2011-09-04, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
true, and it probably would be that binding for a lawful afterlife, but as chaotic is about personal freedom and choice, they'd be being major ***** if they said 'sorry, some deal your father made before you where born and you had no influence over says you can't come in'. aame with neutral probably, since both of them don't hold the child responsable for everything the parent does
but yeah, she may show up in a joke, but I highly doubt she's still in the storyline...
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2011-09-04, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, the "express words" of the Oath are:
SpoilerI, Eugene Greenhilt, swear on the blood that flows from my wounds that I shall not rest, in this life or any other, until I or my heirs have enacted horrible vengeance on those that have slighted me, named here as Xykon the Sorcerer.
There is nothing there that implies that you only have to try to fulfill the Oath in order to get your afterlife.
Plus, he made no pact with no heaven, he just got a tatto from a Halfling with a funny accent.
When the Deva explained Eugene why Roy got access to the afterlife while the old man was being held outside (here), the reason was because Eugene "made a conscious decision to abandon your own Oath" and never looked back. And when Eugene was to die, he burdened his son with the Oath "rather than take even one last chance at fulfilling it". While Roy "did everything he could to fulfill the vow you dumped at his feet". Wandering the clouds until any of his heirs fulfilled the Oath, was Eugene's punishment for this.
Now, the important thing to notice here, is that the Celestials are punishing a moral actitude. They never said they where compelled to keep Eugene out of Celestia due to the magic of the Oath. Neither claimed that Eugene had made an Oath with them in the first place. They were punishing Eugene because he acted against the LG moral code.
Other, non-lawful afterlifes? Probably wouldn't care a damn about it. Specially since the text of the original Oath in no place charges his heirs with eternal damnation if they failed to fulfill it.Last edited by The Pilgrim; 2011-09-04 at 07:37 PM.
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2011-09-04, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Julia return?
I think she will definitely return, but I'm not sure if it'll be for more than 1 strip after the climax.
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2011-09-04, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Other, non-lawful afterlifes? Probably wouldn't care a damn about it. Specially since the text of the original Oath in no place charges his heirs with eternal damnation if they failed to fulfill it.
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2011-09-04, 11:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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The resistance doesn't have any clerics of high enough level to cast Resurrection. Hell, they don't even have any clerics of higher than 4th level.
Though I suppose the elves probably brought in a few decent-level clerics, because infiltrating deep inside enemy territory without them would be really dumb. But given that they don't have his remains on hand, they'd need True Resurrection anyway.Last edited by Red XIV; 2011-09-04 at 11:14 PM.
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