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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by bayar View Post
    In response to the swimming and attacking:





    So yeah, you can throw it, but you have to make your swim check whenever you do. And it takes penalties to attack.
    I'm not underwater. I'm above water thats the entire point.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Bumpity for great justice!
    ALso Bayar is harpooned, and has a giant stick of metal in him.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    It's actually your turn, as soon as we sort your situation out.

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    As Morbius pointed out, you either don't have hold of the chain or your attack never happened. Resolve this before your turn, then go.

    Don't forget about being in the water.


    Also, the swimming thing is over and decided. Just so we're clear.

    After FF_Fanboy takes his turn, the match is going on pause until Wednesday most likely judging by Bayar's sig.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    the attack happened, but no chain. I think he'll still need to make the concentration check to cast a spell anyway due to the giant stick of sharp metal in him.
    Also afterwards Aramail will use his 30ft of movement to get closer to NO. He'll also draw his Harpoon as part of his movement.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    Also afterwards Aramail will use his 30ft of movement to get closer to NO. He'll also draw his Harpoon as part of his movement.
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    please be a little more precise about where you are moving to and make a swim check each round as long as you are in shark infested areas

    EDIT: what the...
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    High Ref Morbius


    MATCH ON HOLD

    Depending on an answer from FF fanboy we may need to rewind to round 6
    *hits head on the wall*

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    You swim check from the round you attacked No got a result of 13, but you forgot to factor your armor check penalty, -2 from studded leather and another -2 from your shield. The result would be below 10, thus you would sink.
    Or is there any reason you can ignore armor check penalty on swin checks?
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    *checks sheet* crap, well this is over good game Bayar.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    *checks sheet* crap, well this is over good game Bayar.
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    Are you sure? You are merely almost drowning (for now)
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

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    Are you sure? You are merely almost drowning (for now)
    Well almost drowning means he gets to nail me with seekuing ray next turn right? Unless him casting it twice, adn fialing it twice matters.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Hmm...got abit of internets now, lets see...in round 6 you fail your swim check when trying to attack me and...go underwater? That means I get to see you and trigger my readied action to attack you upon LOS.

    UMD check: (1d20+17)[21] DC 23
    Attack: (1d20+2)[10] VS your touch AC-DEX bonus...10 I belive
    Damage:(4d6)[14]

    C'mon !

    Edit: Still not able to cast the spell...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bayar View Post
    Hmm...got abit of internets now, lets see...in round 6 you fail your swim check when trying to attack me and...go underwater? That means I get to see you and trigger my readied action to attack you upon LOS.

    UMD check: (1d20+1)[6] DC 23
    Attack: (1d20+8)[20] VS your touch AC-DEX bonus...10 I belive
    Damage:(1d20+8)[24]

    C'mon !

    Edit: Still not able to cast the spell...
    Aramail will drop hios *useless* shield, and attmept antoher swin check to exist the water.
    (1d20+1)[6]

    and if that works he will THEN attempt to spear you.
    (1d20+8)[20]
    if crit
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    if crit.
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    never mind i continue drwoing nice job fialing at life char.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Upon my turn, Round - 6,

    I try again.

    (1d20+17)[25] DC 23
    (1d20+2)[22] AC 10
    (4d6)[16]

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    What is the climb DC for the walls ?

    Depending on the answer, will continue my turn.

    Edit: You got fried by a ray, the water boils around you and the sharks come to feast upon your cadaver.

    Still interested in an answer from the refs though.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Umm, Bayar I'm underwater. And drowning.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    Umm, Bayar I'm underwater. And drowning.
    Seeking ray ignores cover.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by bayar View Post
    Seeking ray ignores cover.
    Its not cover though its me being 10 feet under, I do believe the SRD states that all ranged attacks that pass through water are negated.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    Its not cover though its me being 10 feet under, I do believe the SRD states that all ranged attacks that pass through water are negated.

    Hmm...
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    Ranged Attacks Underwater: Thrown weapons are ineffective underwater, even when launched from land. Attacks with other ranged weapons take a –2 penalty on attack rolls for every 5 feet of water they pass through, in addition to the normal penalties for range.
    Nop. Not negated. Plus, this is not a weapon, so tehnically, it is not subjected to this rule...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bayar View Post
    Hmm...


    Nop. Not negated. Plus, this is not a weapon, so tehnically, it is not subjected to this rule...
    i think Fire attaacks are also uneffective underwater from what I can remember.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by SRD
    Characters swimming, floating, or treading water on the surface, or wading in water at least chest deep, have improved cover (+8 bonus to AC, +4 bonus on Reflex saves) from opponents on land. Landbound opponents who have freedom of movement effects ignore this cover when making melee attacks against targets in the water. A completely submerged creature has total cover against opponents on land unless those opponents have freedom of movement effects. Magical effects are unaffected except for those that require attack rolls (which are treated like any other effects) and fire effects.
    Seeking ray ignores Cover.

    It does not ignore Total Cover. I.E. You cannot fire through doors, walls, and the like. There is a seperate entry in the SRD for cover and total cover. Creatures underwater have total cover relative to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by SRD, Total Cover
    If you don’t have line of effect to your target he is considered to have total cover from you. You can’t make an attack against a target that has total cover.
    Thus, you do not have line of effect, and cannot even make the attack.

    It could be argued that Seeking ray would ignore Improved Cover (as it's a varying degree of cover, as listed in the SRD entry, and would be considered cover, not total cover), but not total cover.

    The portion of the entry which states that magical effects are unaffected does not apply, as the magical effect in question requires an attack roll. The fire section does not apply as it is not a fire attack.

    Thus, this is a magical effect which is subject to the Total Cover.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    i think Fire attaacks are also uneffective underwater from what I can remember.
    The description of the spell says it is a ray of electricity, and deals electricity damage.

    Edit: Orly? Then, my bad !
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Quote Originally Posted by bayar View Post
    The description of the spell says it is a ray of electricity, and deals electricity damage.
    Hmm, we do need a judge ruling on that. do we go bby the laws of everything, and say wtaer conducts eletricty, and is thus dissolved through out the water. Or do we go by soemthing i'm not entirely sure of.

    EDIT: NVM then, I guess that was all negated due to me NOT makign a swim check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF fanboy View Post
    Hmm, we do need a judge ruling on that. do we go bby the laws of everything, and say wtaer conducts eletricty, and is thus dissolved through out the water. Or do we go by soemthing i'm not entirely sure of.

    EDIT: NVM then, I guess that was all negated due to me NOT makign a swim check.

    And my round 6 actions are illegal since I cannot shoot something with total cover...
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Correct. Rewind to first attack made by Bayar while he was on land and FF Fanboy was completely submerged. Actions may be amended from this point.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    So even though I see him go submerged, my readied action is not valid since he now has total cover. Back to round 6

    Since I now notice the water slowly rising in my vecinity, I will try to cast a spell from my scroll.

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    (1d20+17)[19] DC 23 to cast invisibility[/roll]


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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Continuing my turn, I try to climb the rocks near me.

    Climb check: (1d20-1)[2] DC ???

    Edit: remember what I said about the forum roller giving certain oll thresholdts ? Proof right here. k, I dont climb the freaking rocks. I stay put in my place.

    Round 7 and sharks come to get you. I only get myself wet.

    Edit2: By how much did he failed his swim check in round 6 ? Because if he failed by 4 or less, he would be on the water surface, unable to make any progress but still be a viable target for my spell. If he failed by 5 or more, play should continue as normal.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Well I epic failed the secod one considerig I just remembered I took DOUBLE penalty for my armor, and the like on swim checks. (so all in all I got a 4 against Dc 10, afterwards though I dropped my shield.)

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    K. So your turn and the sharks are closing in. Mind if I roll?

    (1d100)[70] Attack on a 40 or lower.
    Shark attack: (1d20+4)[13]
    Damahe: (1d6+1)[6]

    Edit: think you are OK. If any refs has anything against this, let us know.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    As long as someone rolls it and whoever it's targetting agrees to let said person roll it, it's fine. We'll keep what Bayar just rolled, but if one of you wants to call the right to roll your own shark attacks please do so now.

    Now please stand by while I prep a summary of where we are...

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    CURRENT SUMMARY

    After reviewing the past 2 pages and disregarding anything that wasn't a rewind, the match stands as follows:

    ROUND 7
    Aramail is in O6, currently underwater. He has 23 rounds of breath remaining before he starts to really drown.
    No is in K14, with shallow water around his ankles.
    Aramail has initiative.

    PLEASE CONFIRM THESE SUMMARIES FOR ME SO WE ARE VERY CLEAR AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Yes, it is the begining of round 7 now.
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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Yesh I is fine with that summary.

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    Default Re: Arena Tournament, Round 47: Aramail vs. No

    Alright, play continues to Aramail in Round 7 then. No need to roll for sharks; Bayar covered that just above.

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