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    Default Just how Exotic is an Exotic Weapon?

    I can't seem to find any rules of how to *make* an exotic weapon, plenty around the place state the upper bounds of martial, and anything about it is exotic, but nothing places a cap on exotic. This poses a problem as I require two exotic weapon feats for a prerequisites to a prestige class I want, and I want to put them to good use.

    I've already employed the help of a master blacksmith (third in line to directly service the king/kingdom in this region), and I've a fair quantity of disposable goods to fund the new weapon, which will be a two-handed axe of some sort. I'm stuck as to how to make it exotic and shiney, and how to use both feats usefully (can I dump them into one incredibly hard to use weapon, or should I make a good light/one headed back up, for instance. And just how much damage and critical multiplier and threat range can I fairly squeeze out of it?).

    So my questions to you fellow homebrewers, is how do you classify Exotic, and what would you give the axe (and another weapon)?
    The general character its for is a very strong barbarian like (but no levels in it) fighter, who was raised on a farm and so has always favoured farm like weapons (scythes, sickles, wood chopping styled axes etc), so I'd like to have it in keeping with that style.

    Thanks for the help =)

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    It's exotic if it is difficult to wield due to being a skillful weapon or a weapon that presents a great deal of danger to an untrained wielder.

    Something like a recurve scythe (a scythe with a double-curved shaft that an expert wielder could employ to quickly reverse the direction of its sweep or add extra power to a single stroke) which I just bs'ed into existence now, would probably be what you seek.
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    Realistically, you should be able to take a Martial Weapon and do one of the following to it:

    -Increase the damage one die-step (e.g. 1d6 to 1d8)
    -Increase the critical threat range by one (e.g. 20/x2 to 19-20/x2)
    -Increase the critical threat multiplier by one (e.g. 20/x3 to 20/x4)
    -Give it some sort of unique method of use (e.g. the Whip, Bolas, or Shuriken)
    -Make it a double-weapon (e.g. the Halfling Rapier-Flail, one head being treated as a Rapier and the other being treated as a Flail)

    However, the creation of an Exotic Weapon is essentially up to your DM. He might agree to let you, he might not. Exotic Weapons are nice enough, but you won't really be able to drag too much out of them. If you were really convincing your DM might allow you to get away with two of the above, but I wouldn't count on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afroakuma View Post
    It's exotic if it is difficult to wield due to being a skillful weapon or a weapon that presents a great deal of danger to an untrained wielder.

    Something like a recurve scythe (a scythe with a double-curved shaft that an expert wielder could employ to quickly reverse the direction of its sweep or add extra power to a single stroke) which I just bs'ed into existence now, would probably be what you seek.
    Something like this?

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    I couldn't make out the haft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Return of Lanky View Post
    ...the Halfling Rapier-Flail...
    I wasn't sure if you were making this up or not. Yes, some of the sourcebook weapon are just that ridiculious.

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    Zeful: Not even close. But that's a different exoticness.

    I'm thinking more of a standard scythe, but with a doubly arced haft, allowing a more controlled two-handed grip, as well as cheerleader-like twirls and half-spins. With a giant scythe.
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    Are you thinking of something like this, afroakuma?
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    This would be closer, although by no means exact. Basically an S-shaped scythe haft, allowing greater control, stop-reverse etc. with gripping areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afroakuma View Post
    I'm thinking more of a standard scythe, but with a doubly arced haft, allowing a more controlled two-handed grip, as well as cheerleader-like twirls and half-spins. With a giant scythe.
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    Zeful: If you've read Neil Gaiman's Sandman, you've seen Death as a whole lot of other surprising but cool things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Return of Lanky View Post
    Realistically, you should be able to take a Martial Weapon and do one of the following to it:

    -Increase the damage one die-step (e.g. 1d6 to 1d8)
    -Increase the critical threat range by one (e.g. 20/x2 to 19-20/x2)
    -Increase the critical threat multiplier by one (e.g. 20/x3 to 20/x4)
    -Give it some sort of unique method of use (e.g. the Whip, Bolas, or Shuriken)
    -Make it a double-weapon (e.g. the Halfling Rapier-Flail, one head being treated as a Rapier and the other being treated as a Flail)
    This is very helpful thank you! I just need to find a suitable base... which brings me on to -

    Quote Originally Posted by afroakuma View Post
    This would be closer, although by no means exact. Basically an S-shaped scythe haft, allowing greater control, stop-reverse etc. with gripping areas.
    First off, I must say, I love how this has become a thread on bad-ass scythe designs now Although I'm not entirely sure how one would use this other than with close range gut swipes and bailing dodged blows early as so not to open yourself for easy hits. But I am liking the idea of a scythe again, I had much fun with the chaotic crits and awesome style that the scythe gives.

    I'm thinking along the lines of a more slight version of afroakuma's recurve scythe handle... but with the outer side of the blade sweeping back up to make an axe head on the end and then returning to the handle with only a slight curve to it... basically creating an even more bizzare weapon than the Halfling Rapier-Flail! Think Zeful's suggested "scythe" but one sided and the two cresents meeting on the sides to form an axe head (and the upper curve lessened).

    However, should I use the base of a scythe, or great-axe? and when combining the features, should i take averages/ move the stats so they follow that of Return of Lanky's guidelines so its more middle grounded... such as...

    {table=head]Weapon | Cost | Dmg (S) | Dmg (M) | Dmg (L) | Critical | Weight | Type
    Scythe | 18 gp | 1d6 | 2d4 | 2d6 | ×4 | 10 lb. |Piercing or slashing
    Greataxe | 20 gp | 1d10 | 1d12 | 3d6 | ×3 | 12 lb. |Slashing
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    Axebase (crit) | ? gp | 1d10 | 1d12 | 3d6 | ×4 | 12 lb. |Piercing or slashing
    Scythebase (dam dice) | ? gp | 1d8 | 2d6 | 2d8 | ×4 | 12 lb. |Piercing or slashing
    Scythe (dam size)| ? gp | 2d4 | 2d6 | 3d6 | ×4 | 12 lb. |Piercing or slashing
    Average | ? gp | 1d8 | 1d10 | 2d8 | 19-20/×2 | 12 lb. |Piercing or slashing
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    Or, ya know, whatever you guys thinks fits such an odd weapon (help)

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    Double weapon? One side does 1d10 slashing x3, one does 2d4 slash/pierce x4?
    It would be truly a truly ridiculous beast of a weapon, so go ahead and throw in tripping and disarming abilities, just for fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lappy9000 View Post
    I wasn't sure if you were making this up or not. Yes, some of the sourcebook weapon are just that ridiculious.
    You know, I selected it because it sounded silly. Then again, after the silliness that is the Orc Double-Axe, Dire Flail, and the Gnommish Hooked Hammer, I suppose we should be prepared for anything. The only wonky double-weapon I like, thematically, is the Dwarven Urgrosh, because it's just a spike at the bottom of an axe handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeful View Post
    Anime weapon...
    Or "the biggest and most impractical, the better"
    The best way to use THIS scynthe would just be to throw it at the ennemi. The weight himself should be enough...

    If you're searching for exotic weapon, you can basically take whatever stereotype of "deadly ninja weapon". Most of them were, in fact, improvised weapons which proved to be efficient and were adapted to increase their effectiveness (the kunai was a guardening tool to begin with...). So think :
    What everyday object could become a deadly weapon if it was a little sharper and more streamlined ?

    As for the rules, yes, either increase the damage, the critic chances, the critic multiplicator, the range... bonus to hit, free attack of opportunity and basically every special rules for common and martial weapon can do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lappy9000 View Post
    I wasn't sure if you were making this up or not. Yes, some of the sourcebook weapon are just that ridiculious.
    The Gyrspike, while a sword/flail rather than a rapier/flail, is my personal favorite weapon of any kind in all of D&D, simply because of the mental images of a guy using it.

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    As Dr McNinja shows, frozen shamrocks can be an effective, but exotic weapon of death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ...Eh? View Post
    The Gyrspike, while a sword/flail rather than a rapier/flail, is my personal favorite weapon of any kind in all of D&D, simply because of the mental images of a guy using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelFuster View Post
    Double weapon? One side does 1d10 slashing x3, one does 2d4 slash/pierce x4?
    It would be truly a truly ridiculous beast of a weapon, so go ahead and throw in tripping and disarming abilities, just for fun.
    Wouldn't that make it a one-handed/light weapon though? My aim is to make a two-handed weapon, so doubles are out.

    I've settled on a design however, here are my stats:-

    The "Harvester" Axe is a large two-handed weapon, its height when stood upright comes up to the shoulder of the intended user, and the blades width spans twice the length of their arm.
    It has a recurved handle, which follows through the underside of the axe head, which is sharpened to that of a scythe, as such the weapon looks much like a question mark along the inside lines. Its head resembles that of a standard wood chopping hand-axe, except that the front end is elongated to add the scythe curve along its belly. The head is formed out of a single piece of metal, and has a counter weight axe head on the other side, which is only a hand-span in length but is much thicker to support the main half of the head.

    The blend of scythe an axe make this weapon a potent one, its recurved handle allows for more finesse in its use, and the counterweighted head offers more control in its swings than a standard scythe allows. The ability to hit with either the axe head, inner blade, or even counter head, makes this weapon constant in its damage output as a blow can almost always be landed.
    Due to the weight, odd shape and unique method of fighting the axe supports, it requires special training to use; thus, it is an exotic weapon. It may be used as either a scythe or a (two-handed) battleaxe as a martial weapon, however still with a -4 to hit.

    {table=head]Weapon | Cost | Dmg (S) | Dmg (M) | Dmg (L) | Critical | Weight | Type
    Scythe | 18 gp | 1d6 | 2d4 | 2d6 | ×4 | 10 lb. |Piercing or slashing
    Battleaxe | 10 gp | 1d6 | 1d8 | 2d6 | ×3 | 6 lb. | Slashing
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    The "Harvester" Axe | 210 gp | 1d12 | 2d8 | 3d8 | ×3 | 20 lb. |Piercing or slashing
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    What do you guys think?

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    and the blades width spans twice the length of their arm
    That's quite a wide blade. The weapon is of course pretty ridiculous. I'm sorry, but when I try to visualize it, it looks stupid. =P

    That said, it is still somewhat reasonable (compared to gyrspikes and such nonsense). Depending on what type of fantasy you are playing, it could fit into play.

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    "civic education" is considered an exotic weapon here in Italy, as of late, and you have to take the EWP if you want to have one.

    However, in the vein of badass, ridiculously oversized, a-la-anime etc...wet-dream weapons, pleae check the sabers below and the lightsabernunchuck (2nd from left) and light tonfa.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Charl View Post
    That's quite a wide blade. The weapon is of course pretty ridiculous. I'm sorry, but when I try to visualize it, it looks stupid. =P

    That said, it is still somewhat reasonable (compared to gyrspikes and such nonsense). Depending on what type of fantasy you are playing, it could fit into play.
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    Okey, that looks a less stupid than I imagined.

    You need something to separate the blade from the users hand, though. To avoid accidental cutting.

    I think that realistically you wouldn't make the top blade that long though. The sickles only has a long blade for agricultural use. An axe with that long a blade is probably not going to work that well. Look at pictures of real axes for reference.

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    It's supposed to be a cross between an ax and a sycthe. As such I'd assume it can be used like either, so I don't think the long blade is an issue.

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    It would end up being worse at both. My design suggestion employed the proficiency with wielding the funky shaft to increase damage and usability. This is just a bigger blade.
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    Also, looking at the stats on that thing, you'd never use anything other than the harvester axe edge.
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