Diplomacy - Subterfuge

[Aergoth]

I point the finger at Jamin. since Daniel M is probably austria (austria is a primary nation, so neftren could in fact be the leader of austria.)

[Neftren]

I point the finger at Jamin. since Daniel M is probably austria (austria is a primary nation, so neftren could in fact be the leader of austria.)

Good guess, but no, that is not the correct nation. I also have reason to believe that Kalirren is lying about his French identity.

[Kalirren]

I also have reason to believe that Kalirren is lying about his French identity.

Oh yeah? Well, are you willing to own up to being England, then, given that you're so willing to call Psionic Dog and me liars?

Everyone, don't listen to Neftren, he's just trying to kill me.

Oh wait. That doesn't work in this game. Never mind.

[Aergoth]

Well, I've got my little chart to determine identity, very very difficult this will be.

[Aergoth]

You know what, the easiest way to prove someone's identity would be to have them do something completely outrageous that would put them completely at their opponent's mercy (moving into the english channel without supporting for instance.)

[Neftren]

Oh yeah? Well, are you willing to own up to being England, then, given that you're so willing to call Psionic Dog and me liars?

Everyone, don't listen to Neftren, he's just trying to kill me.

Oh wait. That doesn't work in this game. Never mind.

Are you suggesting that I am England? I have made no clues as to my identity, other than the fact that I have reason to believe that you are not France and Psionic Dog is not England. It could also have been a ploy to force you to accidentally declare your true nationality. I guess you'll never know if you're intent on dying by my sword. Err... cannon.

[Aergoth]

I think we're not quite that slow, perhaps mortar or artillery would be appropriate, chlorine gas or mustad gas get invented during this war if I recall.

[Neftren]

It is the turn of the century, so I would assume that cannon is still in use up until true artillery is manufactured by the time World War I rolls around.

[Psionic Dog]

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'artillery.' In my book the 'artillery' replaced 'cannon' over the course of the American Civil War 50 years prior. Now sure some backwater nations might have still been using 'cannon' by now, but I'd imagine all the major powers had converted to true artillery.

[Kroy]

Anyone interested in helping me crush Germany, let me know.

[Kalirren]

I'm not suggesting anything, Neftren. I don't know why you're overreacting. I couldn't possibly know that the only way you would be able to know that the two of us are charading is that either Moody or you are England. So I don't suppose you'll deign to give me a comment on whether or not the Channel is actually a DMZ.

But I'm certainly interested in crushing Germany, so I have matters to attend to. I'm sure you know how to reach me if/when you change your mind.

[Moody the Wise]

I'm not suggesting anything, Neftren. I don't know why you're overreacting. I couldn't possibly know that the only way you would be able to know that the two of us are charading is that either Moody or you are England. So I don't suppose you'll deign to give me a comment on whether or not the Channel is actually a DMZ.

But I'm certainly interested in crushing Germany, so I have matters to attend to. I'm sure you know how to reach me if/when you change your mind.

Whoa, wait, when did I get sucked into this? I'm Turkey, remember?

[Daniel M]

Yes well im Turkey and Austria and France and Romania.

[Neftren]

I'm not suggesting anything, Neftren. I don't know why you're overreacting. I couldn't possibly know that the only way you would be able to know that the two of us are charading is that either Moody or you are England. So I don't suppose you'll deign to give me a comment on whether or not the Channel is actually a DMZ.

But I'm certainly interested in crushing Germany, so I have matters to attend to. I'm sure you know how to reach me if/when you change your mind.

For all you know, I could be charading. I am in contact with a number of people and the logical deduction I have drawn is pretty straightforward. Of course I could also be charading as someone else in an attempt to force your hand and make you reveal your identity. I guess we'll see on Thursday.

[Aergoth]

The point is that unless one of us has holmesian powers of deduction, it's going to take a while, based on the knowledge of only one person's identity (two, if you can make an educated guess as to who is "portugal") to puzzle out the identity of the other 5.

[Aergoth]

Alright, so, today we learn what's going on. Basic logic suggests the following: As t (time) increases, the probability of L (lying) increases proportionally.
But that's a little stupid. Because people make mistakes.

[Shular]

Edit: Juvenile humour deleted. I'm done with my gits and shiggles for the day.

[Shular]

Just under
23 HOUR WARNING
for Spring 1901 orders.

[Psionic Dog]

Alright everyone, you heard the man. We all have *checks watch* less than 15 hours to get those orders for the pillaging of France in.

[Aergoth]

Not to mention sections of Hungray, Spain and Denmark.

[Shular]

Seven-and-a-half hours. Get those orders in!

[Kalirren]

Yay!

We're off to see the Wizard...the Wonderful Wizard of Oz!

*dances*

[Psionic Dog]

I can't wait to see how crazily this thing falls.

[Moody the Wise]

Yeah, seriously ... I ordered A SMY-DEN, A CON-MUN, and F ANK-POR.

'Cause I'm craaaaaazy!

In all seriousness, I don't think it'll be that weird, really. There are only so many openings that make any sort of sense. We might see some of the less popular ones, like Turkey - I mean, me - ordering A SMY-ARM, or Germany opening Kiel to Holland instead of Denmark, but I don't think we'll see anything that's bat-sh*t insane.

[Aergoth]

I think Moody is BSing. He's not turkey, and anyone who can't see it after that post is more than a little o.O

[Shular]

SPRING 1901 RESULTS:



Turkey:
Con - Bul: OK
Smy - Con: OK
Ank S Smy - Con: OK

Russia:
StP - Fin: OK
Sev - Rum: OK
War - Gal: Bounce with Vie;
Mos - War: Bounce with War;

Italy:
Ven - Tyr: OK
Rom - Ven: Bounce with Tri;
Nap - Ion: OK

Germany:
Mun S Vie - Tyr: Void;
Kie - Hol: OK
Ber - Kie: OK

France:
Mar - Bur: OK
Bre - MAt: OK
Par S Mar - Bur: OK

England:
Edi - Nrg: OK
Lon - Nth: OK
Liv - Yor: OK

Austria:
Vie - Gal: Bounce with War;
Bud - Ser: OK
Tri - Ven: Bounce with Rom;

FALL 1901 Orders due:
Sunday, November 16, 23:00

[Moody the Wise]

If the Emperor of Austria knows what is good for him, he'll see me in my office ... now.

[Shular]

For the record, since there are some reletively new players in this game, that first season I helped some players clarify their orders. However, part of the game is the fact that miswritten orders fail. Therefore, going forward, I will be adjudicating orders as written.

That being said, if you have any questions about how to set up/write some orders, I'm quite happy answer them. I wont give movement advice, but I will let you know the proper order format, as well as outcome given a specific scenario.

[Moody the Wise]

You can also ask me to proofread your orders. I have a flawless understanding of the game mechanics of Diplomacy.

[Aergoth]

We can now officially call Moody on his whole "Turkey" shtick. Will the real Turkey please stand up?

Also: Whoever the heck is pulling this whole "Portugal" shtick, kindly remove your self from deliberations. Do not let the door hit you on the way out.

What we've seen right here, interesting. I've got a one track mind in some cases, so I didn't see several of those movements coming.

I can't help but wonder at the logic of the person running France. The only possible purpose of moving the army out of Marseilles is to open the home supply depot there, while covering it from the Germans. The fact that Italy didn't move to tag it suggests that either A) I'm stuck on the idea that A mar-spa is a brilliant idea, and that Italy failed to try to exploit it or B) France and Italy have some kind of agreement. Argument C) presents itself as being: Someone wasn't thinking.