So I was looking through DMG

**Akisa** · 2008-11-15, 03:52 AM (ISO 8601)

And I noticed a wand of ray of enfeeblement heighten to 4th level, so what high wizard made that. I mean heighten a spell that has no save just increases the price for no reason. And the bonus between 6th and 7 caster level is the same aside 5% more chance to beat someone's Spell Resistance. However if that was the case it would be very difficult to do so with a wand anyway.

**Iku Rex** · 2008-11-15, 03:59 AM (ISO 8601)

It's no doubt a holdover from 3.0, when ray of enfeeblement was "fortitude negates".

**RTGoodman** · 2008-11-15, 03:59 AM (ISO 8601)

Well, I don't know about the Heightening, but increasing the caster level IS actually useful - +1 CL means an extra full minute of Str penalty, plus an extra 5 feet of range (which is, admittedly, NOT as important).

EDIT: That ^ too.

**Armoury99** · 2008-11-15, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Akisa

I mean heighten a spell that has no save just increases the price for no reason.

Depends if you're the one selling it, I guess

I can see the flyers in the wizards' guild shop now: "NOW WITH HEIGHTENED POWER!"

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