Fun House! (A Werewolf Game - Now Playing)

[Fawkes]

Look at it this way: If you had said we were playing Calvinball, I would've been happy to play along. But don't invite me out for baseball and then declare the score is Q to 12 and make me sing the "I'm Very Sorry" song.

[Xykon_Fan]

Wow...

Since when did people forget games were games?

Let's lynch someone!

A butler appears..."Ahem, sir, it's night time."

Let's go to bed!

"Ahem...werewolf, sir."

Let's lock ourselves in our usual cage because I don't want to hurt anyone!

((Also, I think you guys are giving me too much credit. I simply took my own advice, checked who was playing, and tore down my own post since I realized it was unjustified. I was hoping no one would see it, since, as pointed out, it wasn't exactly flowers and rainbows towards EDK, and I didn't want to hurt the guy. That being said, evidently I did, and I'm sorry for that. Aether...you're just picking up his fight. I don't think I need to say anything to you. I thought *everyone* knew Shadow wasn't playing, and that you all had bothered to check what I was being an idiot about, so I didn't say anything for those reasons. Relax, guys. Enjoy the game. If you don't think there's any evidence, just sit tight. Some of us actually work on these games, but it pretty much always takes a good long while.))

[Mordokai]

edit: ^ Thanks 'Ruki! ^

It goes both ways.
The villagers have lost three instead of five.
The wolves have killed three without any threat of revealing themselves.

It's a wash from where I sit, which by the way, has already been established as a neutral point.

Continue the game. Have fun.
It's a Fun House already! And it's a Game too! Treat it as both!I feel sorry for the three two (besides Goof) that were lynched because of the chaos, but then again.... it's just a game.... Deal with the Rule of Shadow and then complain to me!

I'm perfectly aware of all the mentioned points. That's why I'm not jumping up and down on my chair, pulling the hair out of my head. However, I can't help but agree with Mecha in certain points. But, that's just me. If most people will deem the game fun, the game will continue. I, for one, am staying. At least as long as there isn't a similar prank happening again. My tolerance goes only so far. Nothing too bad happened yet(well, the two lyched players might disagree), so I don't see the reason of pulling out yet. Some people obviously do. It's the way everything works. You can't please everybody. From the looks of it, the joke backfired a little.

And I better stop, before I entwine myself in the cluster of my own thoughts.

[Fawkes]

[bitter] Maybe I'm just bitter because I nearly got crucified for talking after death in Smash Bros, and in this game the lynchings and kills were dominated for three days by people who aren't even playing. [/bitter]

[Haruki-kun]

They were pointing at each other. It's a different situation. Besides, it's partly our fault. How did a full player list not realize there were outsiders among them anyway? I mean, I realize this is werewolf, but I didn't expect it to be THAT realistic.

Also, Mordokai is suspicious. Lynch him.

[Fawkes]

[pissed off] In USB, the player list didn't say I was dead until I brought it up several days later. Was I alive all that time? No.

If I had looked at the player list, I would've assumed that the narrator had made a mistake and left a few people off. After the trouble I got in in USB, I was sure that no narrator would let people who weren't playing influence the game so much. Don't you dare say it's the players' fault for not recognizing someone wasn't playing. [/pissed off]

[Hyozo]

I probably would have found the Shadow and Indurian gag funny if it weren't the only reason I got lynched in one of the games I was actually having fun in.

[Reinholdt]

How did a full player list not realize there were outsiders among them anyway?

((1. Got buried under early RP explosion.
2. Those most likely to call it out were in on it.
3. Many people are trusting.
4. Many others are in more than one game, so they don't constantly check the player list in each game they're in.
5. Those who did figure it out, thought others knew, apparently.

As for my opinion on it, being one of the lynchees, I am holding back because I'm having a bad day in general, so I don't think I'm reliable source right now. Though I was being half sarcastic with my serious business link (which is silly in and of itself).))

[Fawkes]

Can I give Iceddragons or Reinholdt my role? They didn't deserve to be lynched, and I don't want to play.

[Uncle Festy]

@Mecha: I feel like you've stopped being the player you were when you started playing WW games. I remember everyone heralding you as the next Atreyu! And then? Well, I feel like you've started taking the game far more seriously. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But this is the sort of game that the attitude you brought to Werewolf at the beginning could shine again.
@v: I'm sorry you feel that way.

[Fawkes]

I keep getting yelled at for my shenanigans, and then people pull things like this. The line's different in every game, and there's no way to tell where it is. I'm trying to get a handle on the games so I can have more fun with them, but the whole system is a mess! There's this whole arbitrary framework that everyone has to follow, but Shadow and Atreyu just do whatever they want. If I do wacky things, I get in trouble. So I join a game that "will proceed like most any other game, except that we are not going to provide a list of roles that ARE in the game," in hopes to try to better figure this out, and it gets even worse!

Werewolf is frustrating.

[Xykon_Fan]

@Mecha: I feel like you've stopped being the player you were when you started playing WW games. I remember everyone heralding you as the next Atreyu! And then? Well, I feel like you've started taking the game far more seriously. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But this is the sort of game that the attitude you brought to Werewolf at the beginning could shine again.

((Yeah, I think I agree. Not on the mecha stuff...I don't know him. I, however, am grateful to the narrators for pulling the joke. It made me remember that it's a game, and that I hadn't been playing that way for a while. Thanks, both! And look, guys, if you don't want to play now, that's fine, but there's an implicit trust in signing up for someone's game...shop for both narrators *and* theme, not just signing up for any game that meets a few basic requirements or whose theme sounds fun.))

@^: Welcome to the playground. Sometimes it's insane. Just have some fun, and don't worry too much about it all.

[Fawkes]

And look, guys, if you don't want to play now, that's fine, but there's an implicit trust in signing up for someone's game.

I assumed part of that trust was "We're not going to derail our own game by inviting people who aren't playing to muck it up."

I'm fine if a game wants to be ridiculous. If someone made a Calvinball werewolf game where anything goes, I would be the first to sign up. But there's a double standard in Werewolf. The big guys don't have to follow the rules, and that's not fair.

Edit: For the record, I'm not blaming Shadow or Atreyu. I suppose I'm a bit jealous. My main beef is that it's very difficult for a new player like me to get into the groove of things, largely because WW claims to have uniform rules, but in reality every game's tone is completely different.

Also, I really don't think people who aren't playing should be allowed to play.

[Aether]

Hm. My first games I've joined are this one, and Mirrodin where there's no way to ID wolves because they're decentralized.

I had expected Mafia/Werewolf games to be something else... including having the day and night cycle be the same; that is to say, during 24, 28, 72 hours you lynchvote somebody, while sending in PMs for special actions.


Mostly I'm ticked at how Shadow and Indurain screwed around with us. I didn't get mad at Atreyu or Trog. I did think the "point at Exachix" thing was odd, but I didn't get a feeling of emberassment, frustration and anger from their actions.

Anyway, it seems clear after the "it's just a game, you should have fun" Mechafox decided "I don't like this game so I'll look for another and/or focus on the one I'm in." Good luck with that, Mechafox.

[Wreckingrocc]

Well, I'm in three WW games right now: This, Mirrodin, and Ravnica.

I'm a villager in both this and Mirrodin, but in Ravnica, everyone has a role and nobody is actually evil.

Ravnica is really fun, but in both this and Mirrodin I feel like I'm just kinda sitting here and waiting for people to do stuff. These seem like they're all luck.

Ravnica, on the other hand, has risky alliances and diplomacy with the other guilds. It's all about finding your foes, and your allies who are the foes of your foes.

It's really cool; I think all werewolf games should be either like Ravnica, or they should have less than 30 people and far less villagers. With more power roles, the games can happen faster and the werewolves will have a harder time blending in.

[Haruki-kun]

Ravnica isn't quite a normal WW game. It's very different. It's a little more like RAF on steroids.

As for these? Well, I'm sorry to tell you but you don't really get to be dragged into a network in every game you play. Sometimes you are, sometimes you aren't. There's a lot of waiting around if you aren't. That's just how the game works.

[Uncle Festy]

Ravnica isn't quite a normal WW game. It's very different. It's a little more like RAF on steroids.

Thanks, I try.

[Helgraf]

Yeah, congratulations Shadow. You and Indy really fooled us all, didn't you.

Kudos for being the first to think of and execute a maneuver I'd normally expect from the Llama.

At the same time, sod off.

Also, Vampire III. January or February better for you?

[Fawkes]

You know what? I think I'm actually going to stay. I'm just not going to pay any attention to the politics of this game and focus mainly on Memesville instead. Unless I can give my role to Iceddragons, who should not have been lynched.

[Lex-Kat]

Um. I'm still going to play. I would suggest that maybe, the Narrators think about letting Reiholdt and Iceddragons back in, somehow. It really was unfair to them. Maybe redoing the roles of everyone, so that everyone is starting out fresh again. Just a suggestion, not a demand.

Now bacak to my unregularly scheduled RPing. ((Which is why I didn't notice Indurian and Shadow's ploy, in the first place.))

"Dead?!? Do I look dead to you? And I certainly couldn't talk to you if I had died anytime recently, now could I? Of course I can talk. I learned to talk the same way you did. By listening and mimicking. Granted, I probably worked harder at it than you, but you get the point."

"Sheelah's her name, huh? Never got the chance to ask her, everything happened all at once. Well then Eric, I suppose I'll thank you for making sure she was safe while I was out of it. I suppose introductions are in order. I'm Reinholdt. The most amazing talking, sharpshooting cat around. I'd show you my act, but I need to find my gun first. Sort of got misplaced recently, do to a scuffle you saw the result of."

Sheelah wakes up and looks at her two new friends. Labrīt mans draugiem. She stretches and yawns. It'd been a long time since she had slept comfortably.

Then she notices that Reinholdt is looking fairly well this morning. Jūs esat labi! Kas notika? She immediately hugs Reinholdt.

She looks to Erik. Erik, jūs atrast ārsta, kamēr es miega? She gets up and hugs him as well. She is so happy, she cries.

[Shadow]

My responses, if anyone cares....

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I will give you that mayhap I/we took it a bit too far. But really, the way it all fell together, how could I do any differently?

And if the side-show guys continue to have fun with us, that works for me, too. even better.

I plan to1!

They were pointing at each other. It's a different situation. Besides, it's partly our fault. How did a full player list not realize there were outsiders among them anyway? I mean, I realize this is werewolf, but I didn't expect it to be THAT realistic.

This is ME you're dealing with, bro! as someone once said, I can sell ice to a homeless Eskimo!

Edit: For the record, I'm not blaming Shadow or Atreyu. I suppose I'm a bit jealous. My main beef is that it's very difficult for a new player like me to get into the groove of things, largely because WW claims to have uniform rules, but in reality every game's tone is completely different.

To use the two examples you've associated with this:
Find your own groove!
Llama's a nut.
I'm a schemer.
What's your niche? Find it and monopolize it! That's all we did!

Ravnica isn't quite a normal WW game. It's very different. It's a little more like RAF on steroids.

As for these? Well, I'm sorry to tell you but you don't really get to be dragged into a network in every game you play. Sometimes you are, sometimes you aren't. There's a lot of waiting around if you aren't. That's just how the game works.

QFT!

(1)Yeah, congratulations Shadow. You and Indy really fooled us all, didn't you.

(2)Kudos for being the first to think of and execute a maneuver I'd normally expect from the Llama.

(3)At the same time, sod off.

(4)Also, Vampire III. January or February better for you?

(1)
(2) As much as you might not think so, I appreciate that. I'll take it as a compliment and simply move on.
(3)
(4) Actually, those are the two slowest months of the year for bars. Pick one. Maybe Mid-Jan? Sounds like a plan to me. Hit me up with any ideas/changes you have. I don't have any at this point because I've been too busy to even think about that game for quite some time....

Um. I'm still going to play. I would suggest that maybe, the Narrators think about letting Reiholdt and Iceddragons back in, somehow. It really was unfair to them. Maybe redoing the roles of everyone, so that everyone is starting out fresh again. Just a suggestion, not a demand.

After seeing how it worked out on day 1, I'm inclined to agree. I wasn't exactly sure what was going to happen. When a random person was lynched on day 1 I felt kinda bad, but by that point what was I going to say?
The problem becomes: What would you do with them? Their roles were revealed. To re-enter them into the game is to re-enter 2 people KNOWN to be safe.
That's unfair as well.


To the people whining: I don't care. I hate whiners. Not to sound like a pompous ass, but I simply ignore that crap. I have no time for it, nor do I have the desire to deal with it.
It rolls off me like water.
*shrug*

[Jontom Xire]

Exactly. It's only three nights in, and the narrators have already made a complete mockery of their own game. I don't care to stick around and see what other crap they have up their sleeves. I'm sure they're having tons of fun playing around with us, but on this side, it's no fun at all. Werewolf is confusing enough already.

I'm pretty sure the wolves aren't excatly happy right now, if what Shadow says is true.

And the conclusion is....

[Lex-Kat]

After seeing how it worked out on day 1, I'm inclined to agree. I wasn't exactly sure what was going to happen. When a random person was lynched on day 1 I felt kinda bad, but by that point what was I going to say?
The problem becomes: What would you do with them? Their roles were revealed. To re-enter them into the game is to re-enter 2 people KNOWN to be safe.
That's unfair as well.

That's why I said "everyone". Basically, start the game completely over. It would be the only fair thing to do. But, again, it is only my opinion.

[Mordokai]

And the conclusion is....

*raises hand*

Oh-oh-oh! Can I be lynched tomorrow Uncle Jontom?!

[Shadowcaller]

My responses, if anyone cares....

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I will give you that mayhap I/we took it a bit too far. But really, the way it all fell together, how could I do any differently?
I plan to1!
This is ME you're dealing with, bro! as someone once said, I can sell ice to a homeless Eskimo!
To use the two examples you've associated with this:
Find your own groove!
Llama's a nut.
I'm a schemer.
What's your niche? Find it and monopolize it! That's all we did!

QFT!
(1)
(2) As much as you might not think so, I appreciate that. I'll take it as a compliment and simply move on.
(3)
(4) Actually, those are the two slowest months of the year for bars. Pick one. Maybe Mid-Jan? Sounds like a plan to me. Hit me up with any ideas/changes you have. I don't have any at this point because I've been too busy to even think about that game for quite some time....

After seeing how it worked out on day 1, I'm inclined to agree. I wasn't exactly sure what was going to happen. When a random person was lynched on day 1 I felt kinda bad, but by that point what was I going to say?
The problem becomes: What would you do with them? Their roles were revealed. To re-enter them into the game is to re-enter 2 people KNOWN to be safe.
That's unfair as well.


To the people whining: I don't care. I hate whiners. Not to sound like a pompous ass, but I simply ignore that crap. I have no time for it, nor do I have the desire to deal with it.
It rolls off me like water.
*shrug*

Well since I now know that this prank was a part of the game I think its a fresh move really, narrators should try different things to spice up the game a bit.

It was a bold move and I think some persons are bound to dislike it, kudos to he narrators for trying new things at least. Just hope things will calm down now.

[Lex-Kat]

Like I said, I'm still going to play. I'll admit to be a little upsset at first, nothing like when Talic and I clashed elsewhere though.

I wasn't paying much attention in the first place. I got caught up in my own little game within the game.

[Murska]

I'm a villager in both this and Mirrodin, but in Ravnica, everyone has a role and nobody is actually evil.

That's why I found it funny I was in the Rakdos guild, the apparently most evil one.

Llama's a nut.
I'm a schemer.

And, apparently, I'm a wolf.

[Jontom Xire]

*raises hand*

Oh-oh-oh! Can I be lynched tomorrow Uncle Jontom?!

No, I'm sorry little Mordokai, that's the wrong answer!

[Mordokai]

D'aaaaaaw!

*puts the noose away*

[banjo1985]

I personally think it was hilarious, and it's very interested to see how many people just follow a bandwagon when it turns up. It's a Funhouse I expect it to screw us around. I give kudos to Shadow and Indy for pulling it off.

Still, I can see why a few of the newer players are frustrated, they're trying to get a handle on the rules and find a game that's completely off the wall, which maybe they didn't expect. I can see how that would be hard to follow, and hard to take with good humour when they're still getting used to these things.

All in all, let the silliness continue!

*throws an egg custard at Mordy*