Gestalt Arena practice - "Shadow Blade" Jack Vs Stella

[Talic]

First, you're a ghost?

Second, do you have hide in Plain sight?

[KevLar]

Oh, the rolls didn't work. Here we go again.

Hide: (1d20+44)[49]
Spot: (1d20+36)[44]

EDIT- Ooh, yes, I thought it was a given I'm a ghost too. No HiPS, but I can hide in total cover (even ethereal creatures can't see in solid objects). When I come out again, I have cover, so I can hide. My character.

[KevLar]

Rules clarification
I'm pretty sure that when 2 ethereal creatures fight, they treat each other as corporeal, except that they can fly and enter solid objects of the material plane: use Str instead of Dex for melee attacks (you would have weapon finesse so this doesn't bother you, but I have a trick up my sleeve, too. ), they can grapple each other etc.

Correct?

[Talic]

My Turn:

Ready an action: (No peeking):

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I mean it, no peeking!

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Use Dispel Magic Spell like ability if my opponent attempts to attack me. This will be coupled with a 5 foot step, per this entry

Spot: (1d20+30)[38]
Listen: (1d20+30)[35]
(remember, here we're not incorporeal, we don't benefit from Auto-silent)

Done.

Stats:

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Location: T11
HP: 103
AC: 41 (FF 30)
In hand: Dagger
Readied Action.

[Yukitsu]

Round 11

Stella flies around a small circle and strikes once, then continues to fly to R-14. That's a spring attack so it doesn't provoke AoO.

Free action: Divine Might.
Standard action: attack with Power attack +1, smiting and using the Divine Surge maneuver for +8d8 damage. If I would have a miss chance for some reason, Seeking Smite negates it. (Unless I couldn't hit anyway. The example the feat gives is "while this maneuver allows you to strike an incorporeal creature unerringly with a magic sword, it does not allow you to strike it with a nonmagical weapon".)

If it hits, swift action to activate Icy Surge property for 2d6 cold damage (yes, I know you have DR, Stella doesn't.)

attack: [roll0]
damage: [roll1] + [roll2] + [roll3] cold

Rebuke left: 13 attempts
Divine Shield left: 4 rounds
Icy Surge left: 12
Sudden Stunning left: 12

Hypothetical Questions:
1)Even if I was unaware of you, wouldn't Uncanny Dodge make me keep my Dex to AC?
2)Why touch attacks? Were these sword attacks or splash weapons?

Sorry. Fell asleep. Invis says denies dex, not makes flat footed, so it's supposed not explicitly negated by uncanny dodge.
And yes, they were splash attacks.

[Talic]

Rules clarification
I'm pretty sure that when 2 ethereal creatures fight, they treat each other as corporeal, except that they can fly and enter solid objects of the material plane: use Str instead of Dex for melee attacks (you would have weapon finesse so this doesn't bother you, but I have a trick up my sleeve, too. ), they can grapple each other etc.

Correct?

Correct, though I'm not sure that corporeal objects block line of sight on the ethereal plane, but we'll go with it for now.

[KevLar]

Hmmm.. I need to roll for move silently, then? That's bad, I didn't invest. Let's see.
(1d20+20)[29]

[Talic]

Only won by 16, about 13 after distance. No pinpointing by sound. But I do know you're to my West.

[KevLar]

My turn, huh?

Round 2

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Standard action: Divine Shield (7 rounds left)
Rebuke Undead: 17 attempts left.

No actions left to attack, you haven't moved, so I stay there and wait. I don't know you rolled high on Move Silently, so I erroneously assume that you have no idea where I am. I have cover (but not total cover) and I think you can attempt to pinpoint me.
EDIT- I mean with another Spot check.

[Talic]

Reactive spot and listen, for any actions you performed last turn:
Spot: (1d20+30)[45]
Listen: (1d20+30)[40]

Move: Active listen: (1d20+30)[35]

Standard: Maintain Ready action.

Done.

EDIT: 40 listen won't do it. But you've gotta come out sometime. Soon as you leave cover and concealment, you can't hide anymore. Once that happens, I'll dance with ya.

[KevLar]

Round 3

(As a side note, I don't think you can get a 2nd Listen check. Move Silently is, by definition, part of a movement. No moving, no sound. I might be wrong, but that's how I understand it.)

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Free action: divine might
Full round action: charging smite (with Demolishing Smite), with Battle Leader's Charge maneuver and power attack 1.
swift action (if it hits): icy surge

Divine Shield :6 rounds left
Rebuke Undead: 16 attempts left.

Without bothering to hide, the ghost charges at you.
Chaaarge: (1d20+50)[51]
damage: (1d8+79)[86]
This attack ignores DR up to 26, except DR/-

if it hits, add (2d6)[9] cold damage.

EDIT- Nat 1. What a shame.

[Talic]

You do however, trigger my readied action, with the swing.

As a part of the readied action, I take a 5 foot step back. This means that even a nat 20 would have missed.

The action itself. Targeted Dispel magic.

I know 1 effect on you. I'll roll for it. Please tell me how many other spell effects you have on you.

Vs. See invisibility (DC 19 to dispel): (1d20+10)[27]

EDIT: and, like the wind, I am gone again.

EDIT2: Could you please inform me, how many levels do you have in classes which grant Uncanny Dodge?

Edit3: Well, any action can trigger it. Spellcasting, attacks, etc.

[KevLar]

Ummm... when I made my (illegal) ghost pixie, Lynd had asked me to not use the pixie's SLAs... I'll happily roll with it for now, but have in mind that this will not fly in the Warrior Arena.

While I'm deciding what to do, how many rounds does the Dispel last? It's not permanent, is it? Don't you have to roll 1d4 rounds to suppress a magic item's abilities? Incidentally, I don't have spell effects on me, I think. I have tons of supernatural effects, but not spells. You are welcome to check my sheet (and spoilers above, no biggie) in case I'm wrong.

[Talic]

Targeted version goes seek and destroy on spell effects. Doesn't touch items. But if it wins, it's gone. No suppression. Effect is ended.

Unless, of course, you target an item. Then it supresses for 1d4 rounds.

EDIT: Oh, and in the first exhibition match (me and a angel), I had about a half dozen spell effects thrown at me, along with Lynd ruling on them. Magic Circles, Globes of invulnerability, Holy Word, etc. That was enough for me to assume them ok.

[KevLar]

Wait, you targeted me? If so, I honestly think nothing happens. If you target an item, it becomes non-magical for 1d4 rounds, sure. If you target a creature, it dispels spells. Eagle's Splendor, gone. Cloak of Charisma works. See Invisibility, gone. Scout's headband, works. You have to target an item specifically to dispel it. I think.

You make a dispel check (1d20 + your caster level, maximum +10) against the spell or against each ongoing spell currently in effect on the object or creature

[Talic]

Correct. Didn't think of that.

My action: Move from T12 to M13, altitude +5. We should be visible.
Hide: (1d20+32)[52]
Move Silent: (1d20+22)[42]

Factoring in -5 penalty for moving over 1/2 my movement. As I've never lost LOS, my hide check is irrelevant. My character doesn't know that though. After all, it's possible that you Made a DC 40 spot check, and pinpointed. Total concealment would, in such a situation, allow me to hide without additional cover. And you'd have to beat the above result by 40, now that I'm actively hiding.

Standard: Ready an action (no peeking):

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Move if my opponent approaches within 10 feet of me.

Done.

Stats:

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Location: M13, +5
HP: 103
AC: 41 (FF 30)
In hand: Dagger
Readied Action.

[KevLar]

Oh, sorry, I missed your question about Uncanny Dodge. I have 4 levels of Rogue and 2 levels of Warblade. So you can flank me. :)

[Talic]

Curses, I knew I forgot something, that doesn't deny dex.

Now I feel silly for not using my other level packages.

Was gonna go either:
Warblade 5/dervish 10

or

Warblade 5/Bloodstorm Blade 10

[KevLar]

Sorry, I'm confused. :)
Can I see you? Can I roll a spot check to see you hiding? Do you have concealment, total or otherwise?

I thought that, since Scout's Headband is still functional, I can see where you went, and try a spot check Vs your hide.
If so, here it is: (1d20+36)[51]

If not, I didn't understand what happened, apparently. Could you explain it?

[Talic]

I moved. You've maintained LOS the whole time. You do not need to roll to see me. We both see each other. My character doesn't know you have a See invisible/true seeing effect up. So he hides, because he thinks he can. And he readies an action.

[KevLar]

OK then. Round 4.

The evil ghost paladin seems angry that the other ghost stepped back just before she hit. So she she sinks to the ground. (Total cover, can't be seen) and moves.

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moving at her speed despite not being able to see (ghosts can do that) to M-13. Right below you, emerging (half) and hiding in the ground's cover. Standard action: sheathe weapon.
Divine Shield :5 rounds left
Rebuke Undead: 16 attempts left.
Icy Surge: 12 left.
Smite: 7 left.

Hide: (1d20+31)[45]
Move Silently (1d20+15)[21]
(-5 penalty included).

If you beat that (and you will) you will see me right behind you, unarmed.

[Talic]

Spot: (1d20+30)[39]
Listen: (1d20+30)[43]

Listen picks you up as you approach. It's +20, so I can pinpoint you, though I cannot see you. However, pinpointing you is all I need to trip my readied action. When you approach to 10 feet away, my action triggers.

[KevLar]

I am half in the ground. I have cover, but not total cover.

[Talic]

You have concealment, but not total concealment. We pass through that stuff, remember?

At 10 feet, my readied action triggers and I move from M13 altitude 5, to M13, altitude 45. Continue your move from O12, where you triggered my action.

Note: You'll hear my move, but when you triggered my action, you were fully in the ground, and there was total concealment both ways.

[KevLar]

Have in mind that when I was 10 ft away I was in the ground.
EDIT- OK, just give me 5 minutes and I'll be back.

EDIT EDIT - Concealment, not cover. Got it. :) Back in 5

[Talic]

Bear in mind that the ground isn't really ground when we're ethereal.

We can stick our hands through it, we can shout through it. We just can't SEE through it. It acts a lot like an illusion that way.

As my listen is what got you, that's irrelevant. I heard you through it well enough to tell exactly where you were.

Remember, while we're ethereal, those material floors don't mean anything, other than blocked vision.

[Talic]

Further, even if I don't see you til you're five feet away, a Tumble: (1d20+29)[39] is more than sufficient to still move away.

[KevLar]

Correct. :)

Round 6.
Looking up and seeing you, I draw the sword as a free action (what? I changed my mind. ) and charge.

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No wasting smite and divine might this time, but using Law Bearer maneuver. Icy Surge if it hits.

Divine Shield :4 rounds left
Rebuke Undead: 16 attempts left.
Icy Surge: 12 left.
Smite: 7 left.

attack: (1d20+44)[57]
damage: (1d8+16)[18] + (4d6)[12] + (2d6)[7] cold damage.

[Talic]

Not quite.

I readied an action, which triggered.

After that, you complete your current turn.

My initiative changes to before yours.

You cannot charge during this turn, as you have moved, and do not have the required full round action.

EDIT:
Flow chart:
You sink.
You begin moving.
At O13, you trigger my action.
I move up.
You continue this turn.
Once this turn is over, it is my turn.

[KevLar]

Oh, sorry. The rest of my action would be to emerge from the ground at M-13, hiding. So, it's your turn, right?

(Initiative changes always confused the hell out of me....)
EDIT- thanks for the chart, it was very useful.