d20 Rebirth

[WaterTengu]

ok, so i have heard that word a lot, what is gestalt? I know it is from Unearthed Arcana, but i don't own Unearthed Arcana.

[Neek]

ok, so i have heard that word a lot, what is gestalt? I know it is from Unearthed Arcana, but i don't own Unearthed Arcana.

It's available on the SRD.

[WaterTengu]

It's available on the SRD.

see, now i was looking there and couldn't find it. ugh, i am blind.

[Fax Celestis]

Fencer 80% complete.

[Heliomance]

When do we get to see the How-It-Should-Be Ranger? It's an archetype I love - I want to see a martial class that's as nature orientated as the Druid!

[Fax Celestis]

When I get struck with the Holy Bolt of Inspiration, the Ranger will be formulated.

Right now, though, I'm looking at the Dread Commando and asking myself how I could stretch it into 20 levels.

[UserClone]

If you manage to do that, I'll be forced to give you an internet, sir!

[Morty]

I'm waiting eagerly for the Fencer class, I've got a soft spot for quick and agile warriors.
Also, are there going to be separate NPC classes?

[Bonecrusher Doc]

With Fencer and Ranger coming up, I'm holding my breath to see what, if any, changes you will make to Two-Weapon fighting. It's such a cool style, whether with one standard weapon and one light, or with two standard weapons, or two light weapons; but I've found frequently when I make a character with it I get so frustrated missing all the time that I just go back to one weapon, with a wasted feat. (Admittedly I'm a rookie, never played any higher level stuff so maybe it gets better - it just seems underpowered to me at the low levels I've played.)

[UserClone]

Nah, it never really gets any better, unless you are a rogue who focuses on sneak attacking in melee. I've always thought that the penalties should gradually disappear as you go up in level, like with the monk's flurry. Perhaps lower the overall penalty each time they advance in TWF, Fax? Once for Improved, once for Greater (Superior?)

[WaterTengu]

Nah, it never really gets any better, unless you are a rogue who focuses on sneak attacking in melee. I've always thought that the penalties should gradually disappear as you go up in level, like with the monk's flurry. Perhaps lower the overall penalty each time they advance in TWF, Fax? Once for Improved, once for Greater (Superior?)

i always rulled that each further feat lowered the peanlties by 2
so TWF = -4/-4
improved = -2/-2
Greater = 0/0
Superior = +2/+2

[UserClone]

I don't know that I necessarily think you should EVER get a bonus for using more than one weapon; it should be more difficult than using just one, hence the penalty, but you should get used to it, hence the reduction thereof. However, you shouldn't fight better for using two weapons over one based solely on using two weapons. That is the purview of a prestige class ability, or at minimum, a feat unto itself, IMO.

[WaterTengu]

but many people i know who participate in martial arts have told me that at a certain point it becomes difficult to not attack with two weapons of some kind. besides, superior TWF is a eic fet isn't it?

[Heliomance]

No, perfect TWF is the epic one.

[WaterTengu]

then what does superior TWF do?

[Juhn]

Right now, though, I'm looking at the Dread Commando and asking myself how I could stretch it into 20 levels.

I heartily support any course of action that involves the Dread Commando. That PrC has always intrigued me.

[Knaight]

Superior two weapon fighting allows for two attacks. That said it makes sense that epic two weapon fighting would allow for a bonus to attacks, as the second weapon can be used to open up opportunities for the first and vice versa.

[Fax Celestis]

Two things:
1. TWF has already changed in the Investing Feats system. The more prowess you invest in it, the better your two-weapon combat becomes
2. In re: Ranger

• "Combat Styles" are gone, as they seem to be a concept that doesn't really fit with the rest of the class.
• Favored Enemies are gone too, replaced by Favored Terrains.
• Animal Companion is getting moved to the Druid progression to compensate for it's removal from the Druid class.
• Spellcasting remains, but at the 1:1 caster level gain rate (and with the progression on the d20r Paladin).
• Camouflage and HiPS are getting moved up and Sneak Attack is being added to make for a much more "ambusher"-type feel.

There's some other changes too, but that's the foundation so far.

[Morty]

Looks like my question got lost in other inquiries, so I repeat it: will there be NPC classes in this project? If so, what will they look like?

[Fax Celestis]

Looks like my question got lost in other inquiries, so I repeat it: will there be NPC classes in this project? If so, what will they look like?

NPCs will likely use the Complete Commoner system that I originally developed and neek is now in the process of revamping.

[Morty]

NPCs will likely use the Complete Commoner system that I originally developed and neek is now in the process of revamping.

As I suspected. I do have a question about this system though, namely how is CR of the commoners handled. Either I missed it or it hasn't been specified.

[Fax Celestis]

As I suspected. I do have a question about this system though, namely how is CR of the commoners handled. Either I missed it or it hasn't been specified.

CR for commoners using that system should be 1/2 ECL.

[Morty]

CR for commoners using that system should be 1/2 ECL.

So how would, let's say, a 1/2 CR city guardsman look like? Judging from what you've said, it'd be a 1st level commoner, because a commoner can't select a job, in this case probably "Watchman" until 3rd level. Am I missing something?

[Fax Celestis]

So how would, let's say, a 1/2 CR city guardsman look like? Judging from what you've said, it'd be a 1st level commoner, because a commoner can't select a job, in this case probably "Watchman" until 3rd level. Am I missing something?

Nope, that's pretty much it.

[Morty]

Nope, that's pretty much it.

2 + Con modifier hit points and +0 BAB seem a bit low to put up a fight, though. Especially since d20R classes are a bit tougher than Core ones.

[Fax Celestis]

2 + Con modifier hit points and +0 BAB seem a bit low to put up a fight, though. Especially since d20R classes are a bit tougher than Core ones.

Wait, I'm forgetting my own system. An NPC with one level of Commoner is a toddler, two is a youth, and three is a teenager. Four NPC levels make a working adult.

[Morty]

Wait, I'm forgetting my own system. An NPC with one level of Commoner is a toddler, two is a youth, and three is a teenager. Four NPC levels make a working adult.

So, a 1/2 CR city watchman would have three levels of Commoner and one level of Watchman class that's yet to be statted out(at least I don't see it in the thread you linked to)?

[Fax Celestis]

So, a 1/2 CR city watchman would have three levels of Commoner and one level of Watchman class that's yet to be statted out(at least I don't see it in the thread you linked to)?

Correct. And it is statted out: scroll down.

[SilentNight]

then what does superior TWF do?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist, sorry.

[Morty]

Correct. And it is statted out: scroll down.

Indeed it is. I checked only the first post, so I missed it. Well, that'd give that guardsman 2 + 2d4 + 1d6 + 4x Con modifier HP(9+3x Con modifier on average) HP and +2 BAB. Which is in fact better than a 1st level warrior under the core rules.