OOTS #615 - The Discussion Thread

[Ceric]

Darnit, Celia!

"Not again"? When was the first time? I must have a very bad memory...

[Defiant]

I have a theory into the fighter's name being "Yor", though it's probably just a coincidence. In a TBS game called "Galactic Civilizations", there are 5 races, and one of them is the Yor who are sentient machines that are slightly evil. This Yor character does strike me as very similar to the aforementioned race.

I don't know, it's something

[Inhuman Bot]

Darnit, Celia!

"Not again"? When was the first time? I must have a very bad memory...

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0576.html

[Optimystik]

He stole my joke! ::

Nope.

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[Lerky]

So, how many guild members you think are left?

Five?

I don't think you quite understand how large the Greysky City guild is.

[Aerysil]

W-w-w what??? I don't remember these guys at all!

It was a small while back: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0604.html

[Quorothorn]

Well, we've now officially "come down" from the string of unrelentingly awesome strips. I miss Belkar and the Cleric already. Still pretty nice, though.

Odd thing here: why did Pete have an Axiomatic bow of all things?

[shakes019]

So what feat does Haley have that acts as Seeking?

Good strip. Now bring on the Sexy Shoeless God of War.

[Morgan Wick]

Actually, let me revise my thoughts on Celia's pacifism.

Celia indicates to Haley that she didn't save her from Bozzok and Crystal because of her principles - but we know it was actually because she felt she couldn't be of any help.

And note that Roy has a better accounting of Celia's abilities in that strip than Haley does in this one. (Granted, Haley probably couldn't see the exact situation very well, but the operative parts are really just: there's Bozzok, there's Crystal, there's a prone Haley.)

You know what I'm starting to think?

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I'm starting to think that Celia was never actually a pacifist.

She never actually describes herself as one - when we're introduced to her "pacifism", it's from a Lawful perspective ("there are laws against murder"), Roy's not there, and it's a result of a very similar situation - she's scared of facing 30 hobgoblins while it's no sweat for Haley and Belkar. In fact, it's Haley who brings up the idea that maybe Celia's a bit reticent about killing - and only after that does Celia really hint at being a pacifist, saying "Thirty? That's like an army!" as though she's more scared about how easy they will be to beat than the idea of beating them at all.

I think she may have made up the "I'm a pacifist" story on the spot ("Uh, yeah, I don't kill as a matter of principle, that's it") because she was ashamed that, even with her lightning attack, she was far less useful in combat than Haley or even the MoJ-slowed Belkar because she hadn't spent years gathering XP. And I think Roy knows this better than Haley because he's dated Celia and wasn't privy to Celia making up her story. And I think Rich has planned this all out from the start and when it comes out we'll all think "Rich, you magnificent bastard!" and "Morgan, you clairvoyant fool!"

[neoseph7]

Nope.

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There isn't a snowball's chance in the nine hells that he even knows my comic exists. But I can still dream...

[Mauve Shirt]

Urgh, Celia, you're so frustrating!
Absolutely love the minty fresh death.

[Raging Gene Ray]

Is it just me or did Yor break Celia's wing?

No, he was hungry and took a big ol' bite out of it. Celia doesn't notice because she doesn't have any sensation in those wings. They're like hair. She'll go insane once she notices what he's done and Yor will be as dead as Celia's principals principles.

[Assassin89]

Looks like the Giant is making fun of the calling your attacks trope again, which is common in magna and anime. As for Celia, if she has enough motivation to attack she will, but will weaken them or distract them.

[Quorothorn]

No, he was hungry and took a big ol' bite out of it. Celia doesn't notice because she doesn't have any sensation in those wings. They're like hair. She'll go insane once she notices what he's done and Yor will be as dead as Celia's principals.

When did Celia's principals die? Do her schools have plans to replace them?

...Was it evil-hyena-possessed students?

[The_Weirdo]

It occurred to me that Celia WILL kill these guys.

At which point she'll either have a mental breakdown or reveal she wasn't a pacifist.

[slurpz]

I figured that there was a new comic up. Every time a new strip is up, the forum lags to hell.

[ericgrau]

So what feat does Haley have that acts as Seeking?

Improved precise shot, which requires Dex 19, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot and base attack bonus +11, which means she's at least level 15, Crystal is too and Bozzak is at least level 19. Truly this is a historical event for the class and geekery thread.

Blind fight is also possible, but it seems much less fitting.

EDIT: Dang, someone at class and level geekery beat me by an hour and 20 minutes; just 10 minutes after the comic was posted.

[snoopy13a]

I have a theory into the fighter's name being "Yor", though it's probably just a coincidence. In a TBS game called "Galactic Civilizations", there are 5 races, and one of them is the Yor who are sentient machines that are slightly evil. This Yor character does strike me as very similar to the aforementioned race.

I don't know, it's something

My theory is that "Yor" was named as a pseudo-opposite of "Roy". Note that Yor is a below average intelligence fighter while Roy has above average intelligence.

[MammonAzrael]

The most curious thing to me is why Celia wasn't flying up near the ceiling. My assumption is that, since they're in a house, the ceiling isn't high enough to make an appreciable difference (at least in this room).

And I'm guessing that Hank will wait for Bozzok and Haley to finish their fight, then side with the winner. And assuming Haley wins, she'll loot some off Pete's stuff, but most of it will go to the guild, perhaps as a fee for letting her leave the city alive.

[silvadel]

An overhyped sense of pacifism -- $20

A severed hair braid -- one sharp sword

Seeing Celia go BERZERK -- priceless

[Karui_Kage]

In regards to the seeking bow, which helps attack targets with concealment, the feat that Haley likely has is Improved Precise Shot.

It's nice that Rich throws us a bone every once in a while as to which character has what feats.

[Assassin89]

An over hyped sense of pacifism -- 20 GP

A severed hair braid -- one sharp sword

Seeing Celia go BERSERK -- priceless

There are some things money can't buy, for everything else there's plot devices.

I do not expect Celia to go berserk unless the situation calls for it.

[mcdudette]

Hello everybody. I recently read all the OOTS (after my boyfriend recommended it - I bought him an OOTS mug in March), and I love it.

Haley will go back for the loot. She has been known to risk her life for loot - #245 - she tried to go into a building full of explosives for gold. She'll get it somehow.

[DBear]

What is an axiomatic bow?

[Nevitan]

What is an axiomatic bow?

http://www.cufley.org/dnd/cgi-bin/sr...le=item&id=227
I didn't know either.

[satorian]

But why the grapple attack and not weapon attack? The three of them could have puddinged her if they had wanted to. Do they think she's a sorcerer and so are trying to stop her via grapple?

[teratorn]

What is an axiomatic bow?

The SRD is your friend

An axiomatic weapon is lawfully aligned and infused with the power of law. It makes the weapon law-aligned and thus bypasses the corresponding damage reduction. It deals an extra 2d6 points of damage against all of chaotic alignment. It bestows one negative level on any chaotic creature attempting to wield it.

[Starscream]

Finally Haley gets a weapon worthy of her prowess! Icy burst is sweet! The life saver jokes are so bad they're awesome.

[zach12376]

What does an Icy Burst weapon do?

[Nevitan]

But why the grapple attack and not weapon attack? The three of them could have puddinged her if they had wanted to. Do they think she's a sorcerer and so are trying to stop her via grapple?

That's exactly it, Celia has spell like abilities equivalent to a sorceress and Yor, being a fighter, probably wouldn't be able to dodge the spells very well.