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Really? I hear they're very competent, and make for very entertaining builds that require very little effort on the part of the player in terms of optimization. Taking 20 levels of Truenamer is quite possibly the most worthwhile investment you could ever possibly make. Ever.
Well, Truenamer 20 does get free gate. You just have to survive through 19 levels of OH GOD WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE to get it.
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First off Archmage is the only class I see in your build that is core.
Er...Wizard is in the PHB. And Red Wizard is in the DMG. Those are both core, last I checked.
If you mean a wizard-with-special-divination-features, that would be out of Core. Just a Wizard specialized in Divination, tho? Core as all heck, just like the Evoker, Transmuter, Illusionist, Conjurer, etc.. not different classes, just the traditional names for Wizard specialists. I assume it was chosen because it only has to sacrifice one spell school, so you don't have to cut into the really useful schools when you blow up another one for Red Wizard (although I'd probably just choose Generalist in that case. Divination, at least in Core stuff, doesn't really have enough spells to justify specializing.)
Ah I thought diviner was a separate class, I only own core stuff you see and had been led to believe that was the case. I knew about specialist wizards, just misunderstood. So I guess those are all core, I guess its just up to the OP now.
(although I'd probably just choose Generalist in that case. Divination, at least in Core stuff, doesn't really have enough spells to justify specializing.)
Well, you could go Conjurer and drop Enchantment, Evocation, and one more of your choice (perhaps Necromancy?) if you really wanted to. But yes, Divination is chosen because dropping three schools is difficult (though not impossible, see Focused Specialists, Incantatrices, Changeling Transmuter/Illusionists, etc.) especially in Core.
But yes, to be clear, by Diviner I meant a Wizard specializing in Divination.
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Diviner though... (I think a wizard specializing in divination is called a wizard specializing in divination )
Abjurer, Conjurer, Diviner, Enchanter, Evoker, Illusionist, Necromancer, Transmuter, and Generalist. Just for future reference
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(although I'd probably just choose Generalist in that case. Divination, at least in Core stuff, doesn't really have enough spells to justify specializing.)
Red Wizard requires specialization, and Divination sacrifices the least versatility.
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Red Wizard requires specialization, and Divination sacrifices the least versatility.
Oh, right, for Tattoo Focus. I always forget about that bit. Still, I think you'd benefit more with a school that is an actual useful specialization.. and Red Wizard explicitly allows you to continue using the spells you knew before you banned the extra school, so just pick one of the schools that has good low-level stuff (Enchantment, for example, has a reputation for being very powerful early on with things like Sleep and Deep Slumber and then losing steam as Immune to Mind-Affecting and Protection From Alignment effects become more common. As well as a lot of the high level Enchantments just being kind of underwhelming.. I don't think anybody loses sleep over giving up Antipathy.)
Obviously he's not happy. Play something obscenely powerful and scale down as necessary: he and everyone else will be happy. Yay.
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I want to play something horribly broken that sucks the fun out of the game completely. Please give me your expert knowledge on a core class build that is broken to all hell.
Sincerely,
Mihiale
See, this must be sarcasm. I can tell because there's no way you're being serious.
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Well, Truenamer 20 does get free gate. You just have to survive through 19 levels of OH GOD WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE to get it.
Free GATE. Seriously. That is absurdly overpowered. Being a Truenamer will ruin the game for everyone. In fact, just to make it even more game breaking, you should throw a one level dip of Fighter into it.
See, this must be sarcasm. I can tell because there's no way you're being serious.
Sarcasm or vent of frustration. Given the existence of the thread is illogical in the former case and the latter is the emotional alternative (and thus the one that could exist even if it were illogical), the latter seems more likely.
I don't consider monster races as a core race, even though they are contained in the core three books, I should have specified.
If I were a DM, I would not allow something with greater invisibility on, I mean really? GREATER INVISIBILITY, that opens doors to fun draining.
Then if you were a DM you wouldn't make your only restriction that of "core", at least as core is usually defined. So you aren't the DM in question, as far as we are aware.
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It initially grants a separate creature from an animal companion, which is why you must dismiss both the initial creature and your current companion to gain one creature which is both.
"A 1st-level druid’s companion is completely typical for its kind except as noted below." There is nothing prohibiting you from recruiting a creature which is not typical for its kind at 2nd or higher level. That's irrelevant though, because it is completely typical for its kind when it appears, and then it gains the benefits of both wild cohort and animal companion simultaneously.
If nothing prevents you from selecting an atypical creature at 2nd or higher level, why not just select a paragon pseudonatural wolf or whatever and be done with it? What part of your interpretation makes that an invalid choice?
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One of the unwritten rules of Giantitp is that Urpriest is always right.
Sarcasm or vent of frustration. Given the existence of the thread is illogical in the former case and the latter is the emotional alternative (and thus the one that could exist even if it were illogical), the latter seems more likely.
I wasn't referring to the OP.
What I see here is the OP asking for a method with which to ruin the fun of his gaming group. Explicitly. And a forum devoted to assisting him.
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What I see here is the OP asking for a method with which to ruin the fun of his gaming group. Explicitly. And a forum devoted to assisting him.
It seems to me people were responding to the first, not the second part of his post. I don't see anyone giving any advice applicable for actually ruining fun in his playgroup (tip: character builds are incapable of such, to actually accomplish that you'd have to go beyond the game)
Don't get me wrong, Eldariel is at least somewhat on the right track. He's offering a build (I use the term loosely) that can go anywhere between "vastly overpowered" to "just competent enough." At least that suggestion gives us the reason to doubt we're creating a monstrosity. Meanwhile, others are suggesting Planar Shepard.
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If you don't think it's possible to ruin fun in a gaming group, having the intent to do so, I should defer to your experience. Grudgingly. I figured the only thing the OP was missing was the metagame know-how to actually affect the experience of his fellow players, and that this thread was devoted to giving him that.
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What I see here is the OP asking for a method with which to ruin the fun of his gaming group. Explicitly. And a forum devoted to assisting him.
To be fair, we're just offering good builds. Its up to him how he uses it. We're kinda like a sketch gun shop, I suppose. We could just be telling him exactly how to ruin fun in a session. We could just have him play a alcoholic Kender and steal from the rest of the party, sell of all the goods and blow it on booze. We could also suggest a myriad of ways he can just slow down the game, like having him craft a ton of items in character using in-game rolls.
Wizards: By the way, who bears responsibility for the idea of a battletitan dinosaur? As if 500 hit points of angry dinosaur wasn't bad enough, now they're trainable?
To be fair, we're just offering good builds. Its up to him how he uses it. We're kinda like a sketch gun shop, I suppose. We could just be telling him exactly how to ruin fun in a session. We could just have him play a alcoholic Kender and steal from the rest of the party, sell of all the goods and blow it on booze. We could also suggest a myriad of ways he can just slow down the game, like having him craft a ton of items in character using in-game rolls.
If I managed a gun shop, and someone came in and said "I'm emotionally frustrated and want to shoot people," I wouldn't say "have a Semiauto Druid with a Natural Spell magazine and a Wildshape barrel. Here's a handbook."
I mean, I admire that people are helpful (that's more than I say for myself so far), but I can't vouch for what the OP wants to do.
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If I managed a gun shop, and someone came in and said "I'm emotionally frustrated and want to shoot people," I wouldn't say "have a Semiauto Druid with a Natural Spell magazine and a Wildshape barrel. Here's a handbook."
I mean, I admire that people are helpful (that's more than I say for myself so far), but I can't vouch for what the OP wants to do.
Hence the adjective "sketch" in his post. We're legitimately bad, bad people. We don't particularly want to be, but give us a request like this and we can't really help it. It's just sooo tempting.
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One of the unwritten rules of Giantitp is that Urpriest is always right.
So, you want to break the world in half? Shatter WBL into tiny, tiny pieces?
Make your DM break down crying?
Artificer.
The level doesn't matter, so long as it's above 9.
Your first few feats should be Apprentice (Craftsman), Legendary Artisan, and Extrordinary Artisan. Then pick up Magical Artisan for wondrous items, and for... Well, whatever you want to make dirt cheap. Then pick up Bind Elemental ASAP, and Landlord. Then make an airship of doom. For. Free.
Your party will love you. Your DM will... Not.
I'm actually thinking of bringing in an artificer to my own campaign. Please explain these feats, so I can decide how overpowered to be. Legendary Artisan and Extraordinary Artisan are two of the ones that reduce resources necessary for crafting magic items, yes?
If I managed a gun shop, and someone came in and said "I'm emotionally frustrated and want to shoot people," I wouldn't say "have a Semiauto Druid with a Natural Spell magazine and a Wildshape barrel. Here's a handbook."
I mean, I admire that people are helpful (that's more than I say for myself so far), but I can't vouch for what the OP wants to do.
There's a fair bit of difference between ruining the fun of a playing group and shooting people.
But yeah, asking the Playground to provide powerful builds is practically a challenge, one which we are all too eager to rise up to meet.
There's a fair bit of difference between ruining the fun of a playing group and shooting people.
But yeah, asking the Playground to provide powerful builds is practically a challenge, one which we are all too eager to rise up to meet.
Yerk. Take it up with Ursus.
Anyway, I expect to see another thread in a few days from a player/gm asking how to deal with the sudden Wildshaping Nature Spelling Druid in her previously mid to low optimization group.
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Dear Forum Readers,
I am sick of being the underpowered player. I am sick of the fighting with dragon knights, large sized paladins, vop monks whos stats do not line up. I want to play something horribly broken that sucks the fun out of the game completely. Please give me your expert knowledge on a core class build that is broken to all hell.
Sincerely,
Mihiale
I have a question for you Mihiale: what is the rest of your party? We could probably give you a powerful build that would be in line with the rest of your group, if we knew their composition - that way you could have fun, but so could the rest of your group. Also, what do you mean by a "core class build" - this would fall under the larger question of what sources are available? All this information would be useful. Further useful information would include what sort of character you want to play - an Arcane caster who controls reality, a Divine caster who channels his righteous fury in combat, something else entirely? With this knowledge we could probably build you a character that would be both awesome to play and would fit with your group.
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So am I the only one who isn't taking the OP completely seriously here?
I don't think we have a choice in the matter. If this were a joke thread the OP would have either made it funnier or at least kept up with it and continued playing the role. The only other option seems to be that the OP is trolling, but IIRC (not speaking authoritatively on this by any means) forum rules stipulate that you can't accuse someone of trolling. Since not taking this guy seriously would be implicitly accusing him of trolling, I choose instead to take him seriously. This is clearly someone who is angry with his friends and wants to "show them who's boss", and I don't really have a problem with helping that out barring any additional information.
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One of the unwritten rules of Giantitp is that Urpriest is always right.
I don't think we have a choice in the matter. If this were a joke thread the OP would have either made it funnier or at least kept up with it and continued playing the role. The only other option seems to be that the OP is trolling, but IIRC (not speaking authoritatively on this by any means) forum rules stipulate that you can't accuse someone of trolling. Since not taking this guy seriously would be implicitly accusing him of trolling, I choose instead to take him seriously. This is clearly someone who is angry with his friends and wants to "show them who's boss", and I don't really have a problem with helping that out barring any additional information.
You're right although maybe that's a result of the DM not paying enough attention. If the rest of the party consists out of power-gamers he shouldn't allow any unoptimized builds. At least he should sit down and talk it over with the player (do you really want to go rogue 3 / bard 3?). Being an all-time useless member of a powerful group can be frustrating as the DM would scale the encounters to the party average and not to the weakest member.
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So am I the only one who isn't taking the OP completely seriously here?
trollin' trollin' trollin' trollhide
Nope. The way it's worded heavily suggests (to me at least) a thinly veiled optimisation-is-evil rant, as does the fact that he hasn't bothered to respond to any of the builds he's been presented with.
trollin' trollin' trollin' trollhide
Nope. The way it's worded heavily suggests (to me at least) a thinly veiled optimisation-is-evil rant, as does the fact that he hasn't bothered to respond to any of the builds he's been presented with.
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