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Old 07-20-2011, 07:42 PM   Top  -  End  -  #121
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Well, I guess it would make political scandals more interesting, but then doctors in clinics would probably need mind bleach for stories as to where these afflictions originated from. As in, someone would have to research a spell named mind bleach.

EDIT: That is, assuming that all of the world's doctors haven't run off to spar with people to try to trade out their RHD for cleric or wizard levels.

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Why not psionics to dominate people? Through politics would be more interesting if they were forced to all use Perform (Singing) or Perform (Dance).
The problem of course would be that they choose to use Perform (Oratory)… and nothing would have changed. They could say absolutely nothing in such an inspiring way that we'd follow them to the ends of the Earth to defend it.

Then again, you'd have those politicians who instead use Perform (Weapon Drill)… and that's a whole other can of worms.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:52 PM   Top  -  End  -  #123
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That is why you pass laws that all speeches, hearings and discussions must happen in song and dance form.

What would be worse is fire performances, but luckily you do not automatically fail on a 1.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:56 PM   Top  -  End  -  #124
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No no, it would be that the politician's a bard with charm person and max ranks in diplomacy. Maybe even *gasp* mass suggestion!
Naw, that's how [INSERT TINFOIL HAT CONSPIRACY GROUP] would run the government behind the scenes.

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Well, I guess it would make political scandals more interesting, but then doctors in clinics would probably need mind bleach for stories as to where these afflictions originated from. As in, someone would have to research a spell named mind bleach.
Well, keep in mind that diseases are usually Fort based, so people would get infected less. And also, no need for research, you just need to get past the anti-[evil] agenda to cast Mindrape.
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Professional wrestling is never invented because the rules for grapple are too complicated.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:14 PM   Top  -  End  -  #126
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The problem of course would be that they choose to use Perform (Oratory)… and nothing would have changed. They could say absolutely nothing in such an inspiring way that we'd follow them to the ends of the Earth to defend it.

Then again, you'd have those politicians who instead use Perform (Weapon Drill)… and that's a whole other can of worms.
Perform (Weapon Drill) requires access to Iron Heart Surge.
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Perform (Weapon Drill) requires access to Iron Heart Surge.
No, that's Perform (Drill Weapon).
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Perform (Weapon Drill) requires access to Iron Heart Surge.
No, anyone can use it. However, re-reading it, it turns out that a Bard cannot use Perform (Weapon Drill) to perform his Bardic Music abilities.
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:08 PM   Top  -  End  -  #130
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No, anyone can use it. However, re-reading it, it turns out that a Bard cannot use Perform (Weapon Drill) to perform his Bardic Music abilities.
Really? What if he uses a sword with grooves cut into it so that it makes different notes when he swings it at different speeds and angles?
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:11 PM   Top  -  End  -  #131
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Iron Heart Surge ends that.
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...select one spell, effect, or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of 1 or more rounds. That effect ends immediately.
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I haven't seen this before, so I just looked it up. Does that include effects like gravity? And it says the effect ends...not just for the character, the effect just ends. Period. Is that a viable RAW interpretation?
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I haven't seen this before, so I just looked it up. Does that include effects like gravity? And it says the effect ends...not just for the character, the effect just ends. Period. Is that a viable RAW interpretation?
Yes. Of course, it's as viable as the commoner/horse railgun, but still.
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I haven't seen this before, so I just looked it up. Does that include effects like gravity? And it says the effect ends...not just for the character, the effect just ends. Period. Is that a viable RAW interpretation?
That would be a viable interpretation. That's why a lot of people say that it's totally broken when going by RAW.

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I haven't seen this before, so I just looked it up. Does that include effects like gravity? And it says the effect ends...not just for the character, the effect just ends. Period. Is that a viable RAW interpretation?
No. But it's what happened. "Other condition" can mean anything, so anything that lasts six seconds or more can be IHS'd.
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Yes. Of course, it's as viable as the commoner/horse railgun, but still.
I'd say the commoner railgun is pretty viable. A similar effect can also be achieved with the Truenamer utterance Speed of the Zephyr and a suitably long wall.

So you can end effects like mortality, or being human, or gravity, or the need to breathe? What if you end the effect "not having Str 50"?
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I'd say the commoner railgun is pretty viable. A similar effect can also be achieved with the Truenamer utterance Speed of the Zephyr and a suitably long wall.

So you can end effects like mortality, or being human, or gravity, or the need to breathe? What if you end the effect "not having Str 50"?
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And the sequel:
Step1:Vampire Warblade.
Step2:Belt of battle.
Step3:Take a step into the sun.
Step4:Activate belt of battle (2 charges for standard action).
Step5:Iron heart surge.
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Step 1: Be a living organic Warblade.
Step 2: Get a Wizard buddy.
Step 3: Teleport into space. (No, things don't just go kablooey in space, and suffocation takes some time.)
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Not nihilistic enough.

Step 1: Be an incorporeal warblade.
Step 2: Iron Heart Surge the Material Plane.
Step 3: ????
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #138
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I have some too!
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452. Iron Heart Surge does not remove the condition "dead".

453. Or the condition "alive".

454. Or the condition "surrounded by incompetent fools".

455. Or the condition "has only two arms".
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457. Or the condition of "can't be any level I want".

458. Or the condition of "isn't a god".

459. Or the condition of "can't wield a sword by holding it with my mouth".
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460. Or the condition of " not having Iron Heart Surge on ".
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461. Or the condition "Isn't rich enough"

462. Or the condition "The rest of the party is mad at me"

463. Or the conditions "Isn't immune to X"
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478. Iron Heart Surge doesn't remove the condition "isn't Roronoa Zoro".

479. Or the condition "can't cut through entire ships and buildings with one slash".

480. Or the condition "doesn't have the sword skills of Mihawk and Zoro combined".

481. Or the condition "isn't Fire Lord Zuko".

482. Or the condition "isn't the Avatar".
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Here's a series of escalating posts from another thread:
Sweet. I like it.
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I have some too!
I can see why those made it onto that thread. I like it.
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Attempting to use Iron Heart Surge can often lead to the player removing the 'not being beaten upside the head' condition.
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Attempting to use Iron Heart Surge can often lead to the player removing the 'not being beaten upside the head' condition.
Then you can just remove the condition of the player "not having AC 5000". Because Iron Heart Surge can affect the player too, since the player's mental condition affects the character; hence, the player's pain and blunt force head trauma affect the character and can be removed.
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Old 07-21-2011, 12:23 AM   Top  -  End  -  #143
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I think if there was a DM of real life, your strategy would either make them explode or weep.
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Go right ahead! My ego is getting very stroked by this thread.
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If the world worked by RAW

Cat owners are feared and prosicuted by everyone, and cat ladys are some of the most powerful Druids around.

Grabbing anyone visably slows down time around the person, as reality attempts to remember how the grappling rules work again.

Lunitics wandering around, breaking into peoples homes and taking there stuff are a major issue for any town, for there aften very powerful and screaming " I am a PC! Leave me in peace!'

Martial arts movies become a whole lot cooler.

Every goverment position is filled with Rouges and Bards. Nothing realy changed,

LcB is the new nukes.

Most menile jobs are handeled by the undead or golems.

Your average man on the streets may be a commener or a Barbarien with all his rages left. Take caution.
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As a question, has anyone ever gotten the commoner rail gun to work with cat ammunition?
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Cat owners are feared and prosicuted by everyone, and cat ladys are some of the most powerful Druids around.
"They called me mad, mad I say! Said I could never train cats. But now I have ranks in handle animal, and training a cat is just as easy as training a dog under these rules!"

If it were like this, I would be an outcast druid or ranger, on the run, gathering as many stray cats as possible with my wild empathy ability, to save them from death. I have a good enough wisdom score (at least 14) to be a druid or ranger. I would multiclass a level of wizard so I could have the alarm spell, plus grease and some other stuff is useful. Wish I could multiclass sorcerer, but that's why there's the spell mastery feat, since I don't have high enough charisma.
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I seem to recall an ACF for a wizard illusionist, that allows them to treat all illusion spells learned as if under the Spell Mastery Feat. So, if your book is lost you can still recant illusions. Better then nothing...

Now for my addition.

"Tattooists start getting increased business by strange people who point at non-nonsensical markings in books. This doesn't really phase them however, as most assume it's just some sort of henna tattoo."

"A group of alleged terrorists today assaulted several hidden government buildings today, leaving said buildings ransacked and defiled with graffiti. Key witnesses say that it was a shadowy group lead by a floating suit."

"Breaking news, we have discovered a vital document to said alleged group, but police are having difficulty deciphering it. Comments about the document were scarce, but some comments have been made. 'We do not yet know what this means, but it is labeled as Shadow Builds. So far, we have discovered that this build, probably some hideout, is lead by self-proclaimed beguilers and shadowdancers, what ever those are.'"
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"Breaking news, we have discovered a vital document to said alleged group, but police are having difficulty deciphering it. Comments about the document were scarce, but some comments have been made. 'We do not yet know what this means, but it is labeled as Shadow Builds. So far, we have discovered that this build, probably some hideout, is lead by self-proclaimed beguilers and shadowdancers, what ever those are.'"
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