I'm really not all that keen on this episode from the start. Martha's back. The Doctor know has a daughter who looks no more than five years older than me. And Martha's back.
But an open mind must be kept somewhat, so permit me to console myself with one thing: at least it's not Rose. And we're not on Present Earth. Donna's still here. The Doctor's always fun. And I've scraped the button of the barrel.
Cold open time.
Divers alarums. Controls aren't working, and that's
another close-up of the hand from 'The Christmas Invasion'. Donna's confused naturally, and upon hearing the story says possibly the most concise explanation of the Doctor ever: "[He is] completely
impossible". It's also a perfect explanation. Four words, and the Doctor in a nutshell.
T: "Impossible? Just a bit unlikely." Uhm. Na.
So they've landed, and where has Sexy taken them? A tip. I'm having future flashbacks again. Any Ood?
Oh hang on. Military types! "Drop your weapons!"
T: "We're unarmed. No weapons. Never any weapons. We're safe." Oh you
sanctimonious tit! What were you going to do less than a canon
hour ago?!
Use a weapon to destroy an entire Sontaran battle cruiser! You made a weapon. You were intent on using it no matter how much you hesitated. And you've used your sonic screwdriver and TARDIS as weapons before too. And other weapons. Like swords. Sastumas. Famous rivers.
Words. Just because you don't often use weapons, and you don't like using them doesn't mean '
never' any weapons.
Then the military sees that their hands are . . . hands? And they're taken for processing.
Huh. Military groups, in the preview there were invaders. A war. Between humans and aliens. And the Doctor's over-stressy on the weapons issue. Hello 'The Sontaran Stratagem'/'The Poison Sky'. Now, when did those two last air? Two and one weeks previously. Talk about cack-handed series structure.
So they put the Doctor's arm in a machine, and it hurts. That's a very noisy tissue sampler. And girl. Who is now armed. Where did the weapon's knowledge come from? T: "She's my daughter". No. No she's not. It took a tissue sample, and in your own words "sped up" some kind of process. A
cloning process that went horribly wrong. Because the Doctor has never been a girl. He's been blond, but never a girl. Wearing make up. How did a clone get born wearing clothes (perfectly fitting clothes) and make up. Just look at those panda eyes and general eye shadow, lippie and so on. And where did she get her hairband from?
Just because I want to hit that doesn't make her appearance any more plausible. The last two episodes did so much better with the cloning thing.
How in the giggy giants of Gilgamesh did a
clone machine turn a man into a woman? You can't programme form fitting clothing out of DNA. Or make up. Or whut.
And I suppose I ought to mention this now. The girl playing the Doctor's clone is Georgia Moffett. Peter Davison's daughter. The Doctor's 'daughter' is literally the Doctor's daughter. Then she and David Tennant got engaged. They also have a daughter. The Doctor's daughter grew up, acted as the Doctor's daughter, married the Doctor and had the Doctor's daughter.
Cloney: "Hello Dad." How does she know who her 'father' is? Why are her eyebrows perfectly plucked? Does this mean Cloney is a Time Lady? Well, that just puts River Song to shame then, takes away part of her uniqueness.
Not. Because while River was introduced in this series, she's still relevant and an interesting character. And I highly doubt you'll be coming back. And does this mean Cloney's going to have regenerations too?
Intro!
The more I think about Cloney the more I get confused by her very existence. By its own nature it should be identical to the Doctor, like when the pot of flesh in the Ganger two-parter took a skin sample from the Doctor and gave us a duplicate Doctor in shape, form and personality. Not sure why he got clothes either now that I think of it. And last episode Clone!MtM was born from bubbly green with no clothes on, and I don't know where she liberated Martha's clothes from either. I mean, seeing a gooey naked Martha walking around would draw some attention.
I know it has to do with the Watershed, but at least with the previous episode you could excuse it as 'they had time to get her clothes', here they didn't.
The writer is Stephen Greenhorn,
who also wrote 'The Lazarus Experiment'. He's also written a five-part show starring Alex Kingston, aka River Song. How weird is that?
I just got techno
Treknobabbled at about the state of Cloney. Generation five thousand clone? "In peak physical health"? But you're a clone who's a girl when you were cloned from a boy. That is
not peak physical health. A clone is
"any organism whose genetic information is identical to that of a parent organism from which it was created", and Boy DNA is not Girl DNA. But Cloney's all up for fighting, raring to go in fact.
D: "Did you say she's your daughter?" Even though she's not.
T: "Technically". Only in that your her parent organism. According to all science though, a clone is
identical to that which came before.
M: "Technically how?"
Then Science happened in explanation. It boggled me. I'll roll with it.
Here come the Hath. They're humanoid fish. Shoot their water masks. They die. So why shoot at the armour? It's armour.
And MtM is still a moron, being kidnapped all so easily. And now there's a bomb, so Martha's dead! Woo! And the Doctor isn't happy. 04:10. Fake fake fake CGI fake fake fake. The Doctor states the obvious and turns to Cloney, "Why did you do that?!"
C: "They were trying to kill us." Perfectly reasonable.
T: "But they're got my friend."
C: "Collateral damage" Needs of the many . . . "Least you still got her. He lost both his men, I'd say you came out ahead." yeah, he did. Donna's awesome. Martha is not.
D: "Her name's Martha. And she's not collateral damage. Not for anyone. Have you got that GI Jane." I love Donna's mouthiness. The Doctor resolves to go find MtM, but the dude takes them to General Cob because they don't like fighting.
Oh great. An MtM plot. No MtM, the fish is holding its arm because it was wounded in the groin. So she tries to heal the person who forcibly abducted her. Oh dearie me, it's Androcles and the Lion all over again. With fish.
Half-fish, half-human. At least she acknowledged that she's not exactly the best person to deal with alien physiology. And yet she still diagnoses a dislocated shoulder? And it was right. Somehow. By magic.
Ah, another thought: this is the episode 'The Great Divide' from
A: tLA. Or any other film or episode of a show in which the protagonists become separated and end up staying with one side of a conflict, wind up utterly converting to that side's arguments and beliefs re: the plot, and this will all be some silly misunderstanding by the end of the episode.
Cut to the Crew. Clones are assigned a name, and all she know is how to fight. The Doctor calls Cloney a "generated anomaly", from which Donna derives the name Jenny. Cloney approves. And is definitely wearing eye shadow. I shouldn't keep harping on, but make up is
make up, not a biological wossname, no matter how much slap is plastered on.
The Doctor doesn't want to have any sort of relationship with her, on account of her basically being his stolen DNA, but then he follows that bit up with
this "You can't extrapolate a relationship from a biological accident". You know, I was a 'biological accident'. Many children are 'accidents'.
So yeah. You
can extrapolate a relationship from a biological accident. It's called
being a parent.
Donna rightly follow the Doctor's
moronicity up with "Er, Child Support Agency can". And this is why I love Donna and want her babies.
We're on Messaleen, so this is a TiFS on an alien planet. "What's left of it" at any rate. Now there's a theatre with cloning booths and soldiers being all soldierly. Donna aptly observes it's an underground city.
The old soldier comes over and is all 'who? what? where? when?' and how can there be an "outbreak of pacifism [...] three generations back, before we lost contact"? Pacifism doesn't just
break out. It's an ideology cultivated and chosen because one believes that physical force, violence etc. is wrong no matter what.
Still, I like that he's treating pacifism as a disease. Note the use of "outbreak" and "infect".
Going back a few seconds, the Doctor doesn't introduce Cloney, she has to introduce herself, and then the camera cuts to the Doctor giving her an aside glance. This is the Doctor not considering Cloney to be a real person, and thus doesn't need introduction. When was the last time the Doctor didn't consider a sentient being to be worthy of knowing . . . Clone!MtM. Nothing else springs to mind.
So the Crew's stuck there. So it's time to get exposition!
But first, MtM gets sort-of groped by the Hath. It's weird. And kind of rape-y. The Hath also have cloning booths. And come out fully clothed too.
Colonel: "Our ancestors dreamt of a new beginning, a colony where human and Hath could work and live together. [...] The dream died. Broken, along with Hath promises. They wanted it all for themselves. But those early pioneers, they fought back." And so began the cloning. They live underground because this isn't a Class M planet and is unsuitable for habitation. The windows are tradition.
The music's not so bad, more mellow than I'm used to for Gold's tastes, and Colonel sounds very Irish at the ends of his sentences. That or 'e's frum Zummerzet moi ducks. Got to be Irish, can't take a Zummerset man for a Colonel.
The music is solemn, and verging on the reverential at times. Donna points to some plaque, but they don't got any ideas, so there's a plot point, and nobody can remember how long the war's been going on for.
Seeing as mayflies seem to have a longer than average lifespan than the clones - oh dear, it's
Attack of the Clones - it's very possible the wars only been going on for . . . I don't know, he looks about fifty, so thirty years.
I don't agree with the "countless generations being marked only by the dead" thing as well, you go through generations the same way I go through chips. Quickly, and with lots of salt and vinegar.
Hi Anvil: "Every child [...] has been born with this knowledge. It's all we know. How to fight. And how to die." Here the music deepens in pitch and the woodwind comes in more strongly to give an Ominous tone to things. Because that way of life is wrong. And that's bad.
And the Doctor's going to get involved with this now because he can't bear violence at all. In most cases. Even though doing so would leave this people in a vacuum of culture, society and the basic understanding of how to function in a world without war where violence is not the key to solving problems. And there doesn't appear to be any concept of child rearing, or possibly how to have sex.
I don't like Hath eyes. And there's a holo-map, and bubbles. What worthless cutaways.
Back with the plot, they're off to find Martha. They're looking at a map to find the Hath to find Martha. D: "I’m not having sons and daughters by some great big flippin’ machine! Sorry, no offence [Jenny] but you’re not... well I mean you’re not real." You've already done this character arc back in 'Planet of the Ood' where you understood that just because they didn't look human didn't mean they didn't have a 'human' soul. You really going to make this a 'just because they're artificially bred humanoids doesn't mean they don't have a human soul' thing.
Like the Ganger two-parter. Amongst other episodes. Frankly I think
Star Trek did it better. You had the ongoing struggle in
TNG with Data, you had Spock's struggle to understand humanity. You had the Doctor in
Voyager (but let's not talk about that). But that's the thing with shows with a larger ensemble cast; they allow for this sort of thing to be explored more by one of the main cast rather than someone who might just be a one-off character.
It's also a bit of a problem that basic sci-fi plots
will come up again and again over the duration of a fifty year old show. Going to be hard to reinvent the basic tropes and stories.
Also, Donna's not going to be some baby machine. Cue the feminism. Or something. Shame her character development took a few steps back from the way she was in 'Planet of the Ood', but I guess clones and aliens aren't the same.
At least Cloney calls Donna on her attitude. But not dear old Daddy. See, Daddy's been distracted by talk of a Source.
You don't want to find the Source. Trust me on this.
The Source is "the breath of life". Cue Creation Myth: "In the beginning the great one breathed life into the universe. And then she looked at what she’d done, and she sighed." In disappointment. And, natch, whoever holds the Source controls the destiny of the planet. Question: how can Cloney be a feminist if she was born mere minutes ago into a gender-blind society? I say that as there seems to be no difference in the treatment and approach to a character. A solider is a soldier. End of. And this seems to be a childless society so the only real biological reason to treat a female different than a male is null and void.
So where does this soldier who,
by her own admission, is born knowing nothing but military tactics and the basic history of the conflict get this pseudo-feminist ideology from. Because
obviously the best way to indicate a strong female character is to have her express some vaguely feminist values such as a female Judeo-Christian deity or objecting to women in their status as child-bearers. At least with Donna she was a strong female character introduced
obsessed with getting married, and then later her 'feminist' tendencies showed up subtly. She was a character even before being a
female character.
Cloney however, is a girl. THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. Would it be any different if Cloney was a boy saying he "liked" the idea of a Creator being female? Her entire character and personality is based around being: a clone, and female. So they try to emphasise her strength (already shown by her capable handling of herself in battle) by having her be a 'feminist'.
The Doctor sonics the map and wakes up a "suppressed layer of information", which somehow also affects the Hath's holomap. More evidence to my: 'there is a trivial excuse for this whole war' theory. And the humans are closer to the Source.
The Colonel's idea of peace is genocide. Again, what is it with this show and genocide? You don't need big stakes for a tense episode. You just don't need to risk an entire people to get people emotionally invested in your story. 'The Fires of Pompeii' settled around one town; 'School Reunion' ultimately was about the fate of one school, 'The Girl in the Fireplace' was about
one person. 'Utopia' was a tragedy not because it's the end of the universe, but because the focus was almost exclusively on Prof. Yana and his destruction.
'The Empty Child'/'The Doctor Dances', often considered one of the best stories
ever, despite being set at of the Blitz and having the additional problem of converting all of humanity into gasmask abominations, has at its heart nothing more than a little boy lost and wanting his mummy to make everything better. And as a wider point of empathy some street children, Dr. Constantine and, the main focus: Nancy.
It's hard to get emotionally invested in an entire people or species because it's an abstract. And all too often in RTD's era I've noticed a tendency to think bigger risks make a better story. Four of Nine's stories (or six episodes) revolve around the end of the world. Skipping some seasons, this one (including this episode) so far has five stories (or five episodes) centring around the abuse/destruction of an entire species.
After a bit the possible end of an entire species or world tends to be a bit blasé. If there's a lack of character investment on the audience's half it all mixes together. Why should I care about these humans or the Hath? Certainly Cloney hasn't endeared herself to anyone outside of being a walking sexpot, and the humans are round down to: a reverent redshirt and a genocidal nutcase. The Hath have on their side MtM and looking slightly endearing in a repulsive way. And as they can't speak or express anything in any way except for fondling MtM in an increasingly unsettling way I don't find myself inclining to
any side for any reason. I'm nearly a third of the way through this episode and it's like the last episode, but with no emotional attachments outside of the Crew, and no interesting characters outside of the Crew. This time in 'The Sontaran Stratagem' I was forming emotional attachments or dislikes to characters left right and centre.
Here I got nothing. I can't even care that the Colonel wants to exterminate the Hath because they have no character. It's not even that they can't talk, everyone loves Dumbo and he never says a word. There's hardly any dialogue in that film.
This is Dumbo's first scene, no words, but in about two minutes we're firmly on the side of him and his mother.
The Hath are just nothing at this moment in time. They're not even a threat because those minuscule looks into their culture eliminate whatever threat they originally posed.
Point is, despite threatened genocide once again, I don't care. I am amused though by the fact that, for the Colonel "peace in our time" can be defined as genocide.
T: "look up genocide [in the dictionary]. You’ll see a little picture of me there and the caption will read 'Over my dead body'!"
People The Doctor Has
Genocided (Or Believes He Has, Inadvertently or Not) In
Nu Who As Far As I Know:
The Gelth
The Daleks (four times)
The Racnoss
The Carrionites
The Cybermen
Humankind (repeatedly, although once it was undone)
The Toclafane
The Clockwork Robots
The Krillitanes
The Sontarans
THE TIME LORDS
More I Probably Forgot
Look up 'hypocrite' in the dictionary and you'll see a picture of the Doctor with the caption 'I change my opinions based on the writer, and sometimes for no reason but the plot!' written under it.
He has committed genocide, whether he wanted to or not. He doesn't like it, but he will if there's no other way out of the situation. So while the Doctor is right to object to the Colonel's plan, to do so in this way that implies genocide is very complex. Maybe it's a 'do as I believe, not as I do' thing, but it's still weird.
This require more thought than I can offer in this episode, it requires an actual 'essay', but I think that out of the three
Nu Doctors I've seen Ten is the most unhealthy because he has his morals, but doesn't often accept the fact that he's broken them most egregiously. This is another one of those occasions where he seems aware of his broken rules, but doesn't openly admit to breaking them, or anything else.
Because the Doctor's opposed to their plans theColonel has them imprisoned, leaving the Doctor to dwell on the irony of having shown the humans how to genocide the Hath. In newspeak "treason" means 'talking about a peaceful resolution'
The Doctor insists he's going to stop them (called it) and then the Colonel says asks how he's going to stop them when he has "an army and the breath of God" on his side.
Colonel has a point.
The Doctor points to his head. He also has a point. Remember what happened when the ur-Satan faced off with the Doctor? He was eaten.
Cloney steps in front of the Doctor and somehow this means 'I'm a pacifist' so they're all arrested.
Cut to MtM's plotline, and the Hath are going to war. Both sides are utter
savages. There's another story that did this better. They developed people on each side before ever introducing the conflict proper.
"They're not you and me, which means they must be evil". One line from that video, and you have the plot for this entire episode, but with 'religion' involved. (
Avatar also has the same plot, but I was even less invested in that film than I currently am with this episode. It is prettier though.) Oh Lord, even the music at 13:18 has the same drum beat as the video.
How can MtM interpret bubbles now? How come she couldn't
beforehand? She's within reach of the TARDIS' translator microbes, and the Doctor is conscious, which means there never should have been a language barrier in the first place.
And she bunny-faces as she realises she just started a war.
Even though she was kidnapped when the Hath attacked them and the humans they were with, thus implying that hostilities were rife between the two as nothing had been done to provoke this attack beside existing. Moron.
Back with the Crew Donna points out the numbers again (60120716), wondering what they are. Normally when buildings have numbers on it's either a location i.e. a room or street number, or a construction date. 60/12/0716? Doesn't work. Maybe the backwards way? 16/07/6012? Or maybe it's just an IKEA-type building model flatpack. Besides, not even that crazy American dating system puts the year first.
Either way, now it's been mentioned twice by the same person I know that it's definitely a plot point, and Donna's going to figure it out. Because she's the brains in this Crew.
I think it's very callow the way the Doctor and Donna just dismiss
an entire civilisation's Creation Story. That's like walking up to a devout [insert religion] and saying 'Your religion is utter bull because I say so without any proof behind it whatsoever other than the fact that I don't believe in your beliefs'. What honest proof do these two have that this world
wasn't created by a female deity/advanced species? None. I'm not exactly religious - far from it in fact - but I don't march up to religious people and tell them that what they believe is stupid without giving any reasons.
But these two 'enlightened ones' just say, 'oh no, that's nonsense, there's
science behind this "breath of God" thing, I just know it'. And yeah, there probably is.
Meaning that their religion is founded upon facts.
Bluntly, a god is a creator. One of the many definitions for the word 'author' is "(
of all, of nature, of the universe etc.) the Creator" (OED online). Another definition of 'author' is "An inventor, constructor, or founder" (ibid). Another is one "who gives rise to or causes an action, event, circumstance, state, or condition of things" (ibid). So their God is real, but isn't a God in the traditional religious sense of many religions.
I don't want to embroil myself in religio-philosophical debate, but this world's God does seem to exist, but not as the God many of the audience would expect. And it's still not very polite of the Doctor or Donna to just say 'yeah, this story that your entire civilisation's founded on is complete and utter rubbish'.
Called it. The Doctor calls the Source "a piece of technology [...] a weapon"; and given what I've seen of that film, it's definitely a weapon.
Hi, another thought. Doctor, why are you so firmly against the humans killing the Hath? You literally know nothing about them aside from the very scanty information you were just told. For all you know the Hath could be this world's Gelth or Daleks. The humans could be utterly justified in their fight to kill the Hath. Aren't you going to feel a silly bint if the first thing they do after you destroy the Source is to immediately start devouring humankind and terraforming the planet to suit their needs, thus damning a whole people to agonising death?
Obviously they're not, we know that, but the Doctor's not got much information saying other than what the humans believe. They even shot first.
You know, I'd like for that to happen. The Doctor sides with the 'wrong' side and dooms an entire people because of it.
But Cloney's staring at the Doctor, because, guess what, he's acting like a soldier, "drawing up strategies like a proper general." Finally! He's being called on his hypocrisy!
T: "I know. I want to stop the fighting."
C: "Isn't every soldier?" In all fairness, no. While some do join specifically because they want to bring about peace, others are career soldiers and would like having a job, others join the army because they can kill legally (although hopefully these are few and far between). But I'd say the majority would like peace. Going home to their families.
T: "Well, I suppose, but that's . . . that's . . . " Oh you just got
owned by someone less than an hour old. This is another point I wanted to try to make during my anger at the Doctor's hypocrisy issues last serial. It's a pragmatic approach to peace.
This is called pacificism, not
pacifism. War and violence as the last resort on the road to bringing about peace.
And that's exactly the wall I've run into the past few episodes when it comes to the Doctor. He is and has been a soldier. He aims for pacifism, but so often falls into pacificism, he understands pragmatism while at the same time being, and aiming for idealism in all things. And I think that's why I like Nine and Eleven better than Ten in many regards.
Not that he's not a brilliant Doctor, because he is, but he seems to have hit a rough patch on his development from war-torn Nine and he wavers so much. I like it, but at the same time I want him to acknowledge that though he may ignore his actions, other see them and judge him accordingly.
The Doctor is a soldier who sometimes falls into aggressive action too quickly, and then to counteract that, he will be too reluctant to act decisively to prevent an actual threat.
I like this piece of his personality, but as someone with a military family, and in general, a very decisive family (can't go to sea with a small crew for a livelihood and not be able to act so), I can't help but take issue with this fact, and his denial over it.
But to continue, Donna gives him a knowing look, because she totally agrees with Cloney, and the Doctor waffles on with "Technically I've got no time for this" or answers. And decides to upgrade Donna's phone.
C: "But you've got a
weapon!"
Finally. Someone who agrees with me. "[...] You are such a solider."
T: "Donna, tell her."
D: "Oooh. You. Are. Speechless. I am loving this. You keep on Jenny." I think the Doctor's trying to call MtM. I was right, and hello bunny-face (14:39). MtM does the usual 'is everyone okay' spiel and again the Doctor fails to mention Cloney. Boy got some serious issues here. Maybe that's why he reacted so differently in the Ganger two-parter. Guilt over this and the last episode.
So the two armies are marching to capture the Source! MtM offers to help, she does seem to have the partial trust of the Hath, but the Doctor orders her not to move or help out in any way. Because . . . guilt. So he hangs up. Bets MtM's ignoring him? Obviously otherwise what's the point of her being here? She's done
nothing all episode after all. Aside from irritate me with her inability to say doctor.
More Hath preparation cuts and slightly sinister music, intercut with the cheering of the humans. And they start cheering "To war!" and such. And I am compelled to link that savages video
again, because that's where this story comes from. A super-simplified, distorted account of an historic event, adapted into a
Disney film is the source of this episode.
And I
still think the
Disney film is better than this episode.
The Doctor's still all . . . it's not racist or speciesist, and I don't think clonism is a real thing, but he's a clonist. He even asserts the Cloney is "just like them" [the other cloned, militaristic humans] and deserves to stay in prison. Thus implying that her mere existence is a crime.
Wow Doctor. Wow.
I don't usually like linking to, or mentioning TVTropes in these things, but
this is what came up when I simply Google the term "doesn't like clones" in an attempt to find a better word than 'clonism'. I only skim read the general description, but that's pretty much how the Doctor is acting. But mixed with utter contempt for her life in particular because she's not natural.
Now, I like to think that the Doctor is Susan's paternal grandfather, but this attitude makes me think he's her maternal Grandfather because it's the only way to even vaguely excuse his attitude. Because Cloney reminds him too much of the daughter he lost. Still doesn't excuse his treating her like a non-entity whose very existence is a crime against nature. The Doctor is meant to rejoice in almost all forms of life, and even be reluctant to kill his enemies (just look at the Master, and his willingness (or desperation) to believe a Dalek could evolve into something more than an omnicidal maniac in a pepperpot), and he doesn't like Cloney because she's a clone?
One who is very technically his daughter.
T: "She's a soldier. She came out of that machine!" So she doesn't deserve to live? To have a chance to be something else? Because people who aren't conceived naturally are wrong?
D: "Oh yes, I know that bit! Listen, have you got that stethoscope? Give it to me. Come on!" And so the Doctor finds out Cloney has two hearts, something which I knew pretty much instantly because a clone of a Time Lord
is a Time Lord. Or at least Gallifreyan, meaning he's not alone any more. If this means everything's different now because she's a Time Lord. Or Lady. I am going to inflict harm upon my person.
Also, I know the Doctor's basically a bigot in this story, but bigot's aren't necessarily morons, so how did he not clue in that a Time Lord clone has Time Lord DNA and is therefore a Time Lord? At least with Melody he had an excuse.
Still, got to love that Donna's basic common sense is beating the Doctor's skinny arse around the room multiple times and starting to demolish his many prejudices. That is why I want Donna's babies so hard.
Credit to the music being airy and revelatory.
T: "You're an echo. That's all you are. A Time Lord is so much more. A sum of knowledge. A code. A shared history. A shared suffering. And it's gone now. All of it. Gone forever." Don't you
dare make me
A:TLA you! Because I will! The last is the last until there is more. She is (until she dies) a
chance to bring back the Time Lords in a fashion. Just plunk your hands in the machine a few more times, the DNA bits get remixed in many different ways, so it's
not quite incest, find them a nice safe planet, tell them to shag like bunnies, and build some kind of machine that teaches the history, ethics, code and skills of the Time Lords.
Not perfect, they'll never be what they once were, but it's a chance, and a chance is more than you had before.
On the plus side, at least he's not turned his morals upside down just because Cloney's a Time Lord too.
Still, Cloney calls him on the hypocrisy of his fighting a war, and now hating war; or maybe starts to understand it.
C: "Then how are we different?"
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