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Something worth noting when taking a Gunslinger Archetype (especially Mysterious Stranger). Trophy Hunter Ranger, at level 2 gains "the Amateur Gunslinger feat, and can use any 1st-level Gunslinger deed".
Now, granted, the intent is to take Trophy Ranger INSTEAD of Gunsliner. But I see a quick 2-level-dip way for a Mysterious Stranger to regain the use of Quick Clear (and pick up some Extra Grit on the side).
Ooo, intriguing. If this week wasn't out to murder me, I'd totally be writing that in. I feel so bad for the massive inactivity here but RL has been a right pain this month...
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Here's something about Dead Shot that makes it quite nice for crit-fishing. If any of the attacks in the Dead Shot crit, the whole thing crits if you confirm, so improved crit would be a significant damage increase at high levels. At 11th, having improved crit changes your crit threat chance from 1-(19/20)^3 = 14.2625% to 1-(9/10)^3 = 27.1%, so it's like you're crit range increases with your BAB (34.39% with improved crit, 18.549375% without at 16th). All of a sudden you're effectively wielding a 14-20 / x4 weapon. This gets juicier if you allow haste etc. to give you extra attacks in your Dead Shot.
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Oh! Better example!
DM: That's it! Rocks fall, everyone dies!
PC1: I have improved evasion
PC2: Natural twenty on the reflex save!
PC3: My reflex save is +15, and I didn't roll a one, so I'm good.
Here's something about Dead Shot that makes it quite nice for crit-fishing. If any of the attacks in the Dead Shot crit, the whole thing crits if you confirm, so improved crit would be a significant damage increase at high levels. At 11th, having improved crit changes your crit threat chance from 1-(19/20)^3 = 14.2625% to 1-(9/10)^3 = 27.1%, so it's like you're crit range increases with your BAB (34.39% with improved crit, 18.549375% without at 16th). All of a sudden you're effectively wielding a 14-20 / x4 weapon. This gets juicier if you allow haste etc. to give you extra attacks in your Dead Shot.
You'd want Improved Critical and Critical Focus in my book, anyways, for Grit renewal purposes, since Keen is melee only. Just be aware of the confirm penalty that's part of Dead Shot, which is what makes Critical Focus important for countering.
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The following is NOT recommended for a low-level start game. It is presented as a level 20 build. There are ways to modify it to be more playable at low levels, but it would be weaker at high levels.
Class Breakdown:
Gunslinger 5 (Pistolero): Grants Firearms, Grit, some Deeds and Dex-to-Damage.
Ranger 2 (Trophy Hunter): Extra Grit and a 1st level Gunslinger Deed.
Summoner 12 (Synthesist): Replace our Physical scores, grow a LOT of arms.
Something! 1: Free space! This is actually a level 19 build! Options will be explored later! For build purposes we shall assume a level of Fighter! (for the bonus feat!)
Race: Halfling, small, -2 Str +2 Dex, +2 Cha (Halfling chosen to allow small-Eidolon-Form)
Classes:
Gunslinger 5 (Pistolero)
Ranger 2 (Trophy Hunter)
Summoner 12 (Synthesist)
Something! 1 (who knows!)
Sample 15-point buy:
Str 9 (11-2race)
Dex 16 (13+2race+1level)
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 14 (13+1level)
Cha 18 (13+2race+3level)
8d10+12d8 HD (avg 98 +40 from Con) + 9d10+Con from Eidolon.
Bab 17
All saves will be medium/great
Gunslinger 5 gets us Guns, Grit and Gore (Dex-to-Damage that is)
Ranger 2 is to improve our Grit pool and grab the Mysterious Stranger's Focused Aim deed.
Summoner 12 (Synthesist) The Eidolon's physical stats will replace our own (hence our poor Str/Dex scores), we will be using a Small Serpentine Eidolon for the net +2 to-hit +0 damage (-1 Weapon size, +1 Dex-to-damage). Eidolon-form stats after all bonuses/penalties are Str 13, Dex 24, Con 12. We have 16 Evolution points, most will be spent on adding Arms, the remainder will be spent on utility powers or boosting Dex.
Something! 1. The next levels in each of our 3 chosen classes provide minimal gains. Possibilities:
Spoiler
Fighter can be taken for the extra feat
Paladin can be taken for a 1/day Smite Evil
Rogue gives Trapfinding and 1d6 Sneak Attack
Cleric grants a Domain power and minor spellcasting
Ditto for Oracle but swap Domain for Revelation
Inquisitor gets a Domain power, a 1/day Judgement, and even minor-er spellcasting
Monk gives Wis-to-AC and gets a bonus feat
Etc/etc/etc... Pick your favorite!
Feats: 11 (10 levels, 1 Gunslinger) these are listed in no particular order, and are only numbered/labeled to keep track of them easier.
1 Rapid Reload
3 Dodge
5 Mobility
7 Point-Blank Shot
9 Quick-Draw
11 Two/Multi-Weapon Fighting (Multi specifically replaces Two-weap for creatures with 3+ arms, the problem is that we only have 2 arms in our natural state, so we need to have 15 Dex to take Two-Weap, when Multi only requires 13 Dex)
13 Deadly Aim
15 Precise Shot
17 Deft Shootist Deed
19 Leaping Shot Deed
(G) Improved Critical (Keen is not an option on firearms)
(F) Hammer the Gap
We shall assume your Eidolon-form has 12 arms total, each holding a pistol. Most of your weapons will probably have minimal upgrades based on what you can afford, recommend Distance on most/all of them, and buy a wide variety of abilities. 1 of your weapons can be a 'dud' gun with no abilities, after the first shot you drop it to free up that hand for reloading.
Damage Calculation (assume all pistols are simple +1's, and that the Eidolon has 26 Dex):
12 attacks, each with...
To-hit: +21 (17bab, 8dex, 1weapon, 1size, -5deadly aim, +1point-blank, -2multiweapon (assumes Pistols are Light weapons))
Damage: 1d6+24 (1d6+1weapon, +10deadly aim, +8Dex, +4Cha, +1point-blank)
Most will hit, and 1 of those should be a Critical for x4 damage, and will regain the Grit point spent on Focused Aim. You can also spend a Grit to use Leaping Shot Deed and move before/after/during your attacks.
If all of them hit, with 1 Critical, you will be doing around 400 damage each round! (somebody double check please)
Hammer the Gap damage is hard to calculate in. You only gain the bonus on 'consecutive' hits, so any Miss will reset the counter, also, the bonus damage IS multiplied on a Critical.
If all 12 attacks hit with NO Critical, you'd gain +66 damage from Hammer the Gap!
Round 2 of combat might be trickier, as you will need to reload a dozen guns (but then again, most things will be dead so...)
HIGHLY recommend you make use of Alchemical Cartridges to get free reloads (you still need 1 free hand).
Final notes: The presented build is merely 1 option, feel free to adjust class levels up/down.
Pumping both Wis and Cha is inefficient when your Grit pool 'can' run entirely on Cha with Mysterious Gunslinger. In that case you should use the Ranger levels to grab the Quick Clear deed, and then you only need the 1 level of Gunslinger. With the 4 extra levels, Fighter would be a good choice for the Feats, and you can pick up Weapon Specialization to help make up for the loss of Dex-to-Damage.
Well, got to do my first session with my gunslinger. It's nice, I can reload my musket as a free action, so long as I'm using cartridges. But it's looking a bit like I should have gone with a type of gunslinger that's better at espionage than a sniper, so I'm moving forward with making a skirmish-slinger build.
Well, got to do my first session with my gunslinger. It's nice, I can reload my musket as a free action, so long as I'm using cartridges. But it's looking a bit like I should have gone with a type of gunslinger that's better at espionage than a sniper, so I'm moving forward with making a skirmish-slinger build.
Good to hear. I should be getting back to working on this shortly, I'm hoping, so updates should be forthcoming.
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Good to hear. I should be getting back to working on this shortly, I'm hoping, so updates should be forthcoming.
Fantastic! I've been looking for a Gunslinger Handbook that includes PF feat selections and there just isn't one (because the Gunslinger is pretty bad honestly and thus no one cares). Hope to see this go somewhere soon.
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For the feats: Note that while Vital Strike is mostly redundant with Deadeye, it has one big use: A standard action can be readied while a full round can't (reload and ammo use are helpful extra).
With PF's harder concerntration checks and the fact that you only need to beat touch AC, it works decently against mages.
Fantastic! I've been looking for a Gunslinger Handbook that includes PF feat selections and there just isn't one (because the Gunslinger is pretty bad honestly and thus no one cares). Hope to see this go somewhere soon.
The Playtest Guide I did has a lot of that and I'll be drawing from so I don't have to necessarily start from Square 1, though some things have obviously changed (no more Lightning Reload, for example), so that should be useful till I can get to that part.
EDIT: Finished the race section finally. Now I can finally point out what's extra awesome about Goblin Gunslingers (thanks, Goblins of Golarion! ). If anyone wants to critique that section, especially the Bestiary races, feel free. I'm gonna look over Skills and Traits and my original thoughts from the Playtest Handbook and get a framework for the next post up so I can start cracking on feats.
Note: I'm only covering Core, APG and UC for feats and traits. I made mention of PSU races but I won't be covering that book any further, as I don't own the book and trolling through the SRD gets annoying fast. If you play a psionic race, I'm sure you can pick out for yourself what's good or not.
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Sorry, I don't have any useful advice on the gunslinger itself. I just wanted to point out that that picture that's next to the title really stretches screens, being next to the text like that- could you move it down, so it doesn't cause difficulties for people on the forum on smartphones? Also, the Yellow color is pretty hard on the eyes; might want to change it to Gold, instead. (It's the orange, but it's really more gold-colored than the yellow, anyway.)
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So how much does Dangerously Curious as a trait shoot up with Mysterious Stranger now usable?
You better believe it's getting a mention, Mysterious Strangers need a Wand of Mending and those other tasty gunslinger-oriented spells. I may even make mention of much-maligned (here, at least) partially charged wands!
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Sorry, I don't have any useful advice on the gunslinger itself. I just wanted to point out that that picture that's next to the title really stretches screens, being next to the text like that- could you move it down, so it doesn't cause difficulties for people on the forum on smartphones? Also, the Yellow color is pretty hard on the eyes; might want to change it to Gold, instead. (It's the orange, but it's really more gold-colored than the yellow, anyway.)
Can do. Some of the colors are bugging me a little bit for readability, looking at what I have so far. EDIT: Done. The color I was worried about was the Cyan, actually. I only used Gold for the 2 "broken" races (Drow Noble and Svirfneblin), its the readability of Cyan, even after bolding, that makes me worry.
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Note: I'm only covering Core, APG and UC for feats and traits. I made mention of PSU races but I won't be covering that book any further, as I don't own the book and trolling through the SRD gets annoying fast. If you play a psionic race, I'm sure you can pick out for yourself what's good or not.
I wouldn't until PsiEx is released anyway - The most likely candidate for psionic gunslinging would be a Marksman.
Can do. Some of the colors are bugging me a little bit for readability, looking at what I have so far. EDIT: Done. The color I was worried about was the Cyan, actually. I only used Gold for the 2 "broken" races (Drow Noble and Svirfneblin), its the readability of Cyan, even after bolding, that makes me worry.
Try changing it to Sky Blue- it's more readable. Just call it 'cyan,' in keeping with other handbooks' color schemes, and call it a day.
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So, where do I find the Favored Class Bonus for Goblin Gunslingers?
Also, on a side note, you don't get Favored Class bonus for level 1 right?
It's in Goblins of Golarion, the only PF splat supplement I own, besides APG and UC. Fun read, it is. Somebody at Paizo loves them some Gobbos.
And yes, you can get the Favored Class Bonus at 1st, provided you choose your Favored Class as the class you take at 1st level. If you have multiple Favored Classes, you get it when you level in either, including at 1st level.
Speaking of APG, I finally have a hard copy, so I don't have to fight with the PDF anymore. Hopefully that'll make getting work done easier.
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It's in Goblins of Golarion, the only PF splat supplement I own, besides APG and UC. Fun read, it is. Somebody at Paizo loves them some Gobbos.
And yes, you can get the Favored Class Bonus at 1st, provided you choose your Favored Class as the class you take at 1st level. If you have multiple Favored Classes, you get it when you level in either, including at 1st level.
Speaking of APG, I finally have a hard copy, so I don't have to fight with the PDF anymore. Hopefully that'll make getting work done easier.
I'm gonna make a warforged Gunslinger re-fluffing a Large-sized musket as a built-in arm-cannon. He's obssessed with upholding honor and the law and such. Imma spout such one-liners as "OBJECTION OVERRULED" as I shoot things
I'm gonna make a warforged Gunslinger re-fluffing a Large-sized musket as a built-in arm-cannon. He's obssessed with upholding honor and the law and such. Imma spout such one-liners as "OBJECTION OVERRULED" as I shoot things
I vote for "Robocop"
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Amateur Gunslinger mentions deeds from items. Is this just a precaution, or are there actual items that do this?
Just a precaution at this point.
There are Enchantments that give the Firearm itself a Grit pool, but currently no Deeds.
Actually, the game I'm applying to right now has me coming from a nation that is similar to anicnet Japan, except with 'forged. The moniker for my race is "Samuroid."
Touch AC sneak attack from 800 feet away? Priceless.
( You could also just convert all your rogue talents into Ninja Tricks and pick up the +10 feet range trick every time, if the 20k gold piece pricetag makes you all weak in the knees. )
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[..] that post by Crasical...I can't find the words. Were I capable of emotion, I would cry.
( You could also just convert all your rogue talents into Ninja Tricks and pick up the +10 feet range trick every time, if the 20k gold piece pricetag makes you all weak in the knees. )
If you're converting all of your Rogue Talents into Ninja tricks, why not just be a Ninja?
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). If anyone wants to critique that section, especially the Bestiary races, feel free. I'm gonna look over Skills and Traits and my original thoughts from the Playtest Handbook and get a framework for the next post up so I can start cracking on feats.
