MS Paint Adventures 4: 13

[Shadow of the Sun]

I am getting somewhat suspicious of UU. Maybe I'm late to the party or something, but yeah, her lack of disclosure of her real name trips the switches for alarm bells.

[Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Shadow of the Sun

I am getting somewhat suspicious of UU. Maybe I'm late to the party or something, but yeah, her lack of disclosure of her real name trips the switches for alarm bells.

I'm more concerned with her objective for the kids being "to pave the way for the arrival of gods."

Sounds familiar.

[RebelRogue]

Originally Posted by Fawkes

I'm more concerned with her objective for the kids being "to pave the way for the arrival of gods."

Sounds familiar.

I'm fairly certain those gods are the pre-scratch, godtier kids.

[BRC]

UU seems too nice, too helpful. She's polite, straightforward (with the exception of Causal spoilers), and altogether too knowledgeable about what is going on.

Yeah, something sinister is happening.

[Draconi Redfir]

That or you know, she's just a nice person.

[Fayd]

It's something that's impossible to know at this point. Hussie has trained us well to look cautiously at people. At the same time, he has been known to use our expectations against us.

So: UU. Is she good? Is she evil? At this point, it's Unknowable. Should we be leery? Possibly. Probably. In the end, I think we're all getting surprised.

[Anarion]

My thought is that UU's grey text and the alternate universe setting makes her something like Karkat's counterpart. Thus, since Karkat is always angry and shouting, UU is overly sweet and kind. Whether that means she also has the opposite of Karkat's good intentions, we'll find out later.

[Terry576]

I dunno, if she's the total opposite of Karkat, then let's list some reversed things:

• Kind
• Sweet
• Polite
• Dislikes Swearing
• High Blood Color
• Wicked Intentions

Seems like a damn good character to me.

[irenicObserver]

Originally Posted by Anarion

@Draconi Redfir
We know Jane's title is "life" and we know that at least UU is aware of the coming of the pre-scratch four kids.
Coppied from her pesterlog:
"
UU:patience for yoUr growth as a hero of life.
UU:and patience for the coming of the other foUr of legend.
UU:a hero of breath and of light and of time and of space"

So the session is probably aware of those 5 types since UU says they'll be coming.

That doesn't prove anything about the session just that UU knows about them which means she(?) could easily have learned about it with her inside knowledge.

By this point we're just going around in circles, shall we stop?

[Anarion]

Originally Posted by irenicObserver

That doesn't prove anything about the session just that UU knows about them which means she(?) could easily have learned about it with her inside knowledge.

All trolls in the comic so far have gained their insider knowledge using a computer program to observe another session. I didn't say the session knows about the arrival of the pre-scratch kids for sure, but UU's knowledge also makes it considerably more likely that the session itself knows about them.

[irenicObserver]

um...how? Like I said that doesn't mean a thing to the session itself. How does it make it more likely when the trolls observation of the kids didn't alter the preset (key word here) parameters of their session? That train of logic don't make a lick of sense and it seems more like your interpretation than actual evidence.

NOTE: If anything the pre-scratch players showing up in the post-scratch session would be considered a glitch by the game.

[Inyssius Tor]

Originally Posted by Draconi Redfir

Until we know the titles of the Scratch kids we can not say that Jade will be the player of Space in their session! the titles of the Jane and co still have not been revealed, and my well be exactly the same of their pre-scratch counterparts.

We can say for certain that Jade will be a Hero of Space, because she is a Hero of Space. And we can say for certain that she will be physically present in the Scratch kids' session, as will her session's planets. Those facts will not change no matter what titles the Scratch kids are assigned. There is no uncertainty about whether the post-Scratch Earth session will contain at least one Hero of Space and at least one Land of Frogs.

Fayd's post doesn't need to be fixed, because it is correct. The appropriate word is not "MIGHT", it is "WILL".

Now, it is true that we don't know if this session can/will refrain from generating a new Hero of Space and a new Land of Frogs simply because one of each is already present. That's where you would want to insert a MIGHT. Obviously you would have trouble doing that, though, because Fayd already put one there:

Originally Posted by Fayd

So this session might get to break some rules, as Paradox space already knows this setting it up.

tl;dr stop fixing things that aren't broken.

[irenicObserver]

Lookie what I found

Spoiler

[Tectonic Robot]

I found a cool comic, guys!

Spoiler

It's too big for regular images! Just follow this link.

http://ib.skaia.net/image/25827.png

[Anarion]

Originally Posted by irenicObserver

um...how? Like I said that doesn't mean a thing to the session itself. How does it make it more likely when the trolls observation of the kids didn't alter the preset (key word here) parameters of their session? That train of logic don't make a lick of sense and it seems more like your interpretation than actual evidence.

NOTE: If anything the pre-scratch players showing up in the post-scratch session would be considered a glitch by the game.

First, it's not clear either way, I'm talking about probabilities and likelihoods. But I'll spell out my reasoning.

First deduction
1. Trolls gain information about other sessions by observing them with the Trollian program.
2. UU is a troll
Therefore
3. UU gains her information from Trollian.

Second deduction
1. Trollian can see players during any point of their session or their life on a prior planet.
2. Trollian has failed to detect a player (Rose) when she was influenced by elements from beyond her universe.
Therefore
3. The ability of Trollian to detect players is related to their ability to participate in the universe related to that game session.

Third deduction
1. UU can see all the B1 universe kids in the B2 game session
Therefore
2. The kids will be able to participate in the B2 universe

Final deduction
1. The pre-scratch kids can participate in the B2 universe
Therefore
2. The odds that the universe itself is aware of them are increased relative to what they were before we acquired UU's knowledge.

[Shadow of the Sun]

...Hussie, you're just taunting us now, aren't you?

All of those computing devices, eh?

[Draconi Redfir]

Originally Posted by Inyssius Tor

We can say for certain that Jade will be a Hero of Space, because she is a Hero of Space. And we can say for certain that she will be physically present in the Scratch kids' session, as will her session's planets. Those facts will not change no matter what titles the Scratch kids are assigned. There is no uncertainty about whether the post-Scratch Earth session will contain at least one Hero of Space and at least one Land of Frogs.

Yes we know all this, but we DON'T know if she will be THIS session's hero of space!

Now, it is true that we don't know if this session can/will refrain from generating a new Hero of Space and a new Land of Frogs simply because one of each is already present. That's where you would want to insert a MIGHT. Obviously you would have trouble doing that, though, because Fayd already put one there:

Wich is exactly what i have been saying this whole gog dang time!

[Anarion]

Oh, for crying out loud, the Lord English Cairo Coat. Now Hussie is just messing with us.

[irenicObserver]

Originally Posted by Anarion

First, it's not clear either way, I'm talking about probabilities and likelihoods. But I'll spell out my reasoning.

First deduction
1. Trolls gain information about other sessions by observing them with the Trollian program.
2. UU is a troll
Therefore
3. UU gains her information from Trollian.

Second deduction
1. Trollian can see players during any point of their session or their life on a prior planet.
2. Trollian has failed to detect a player (Rose) when she was influenced by elements from beyond her universe.
Therefore
3. The ability of Trollian to detect players is related to their ability to participate in the universe related to that game session.

Third deduction
1. UU can see all the B1 universe kids in the B2 game session
Therefore
2. The kids will be able to participate in the B2 universe

Final deduction
1. The pre-scratch kids can participate in the B2 universe
Therefore
2. The odds that the universe itself is aware of them are increased relative to what they were before we acquired UU's knowledge.

See now that makes much more sense, the problem was your wording, it sounded you were saying it was definite.

[Simius]

UU seems to imply that Universe B2 (post-scratch Earth) will be successful in spawning a new universe, like A2 was. Perhaps UU is from this new universe C?

[Midnight Lurker]

Inyssius? Draconi? Would you two please stop agreeing with each other at the top of your lungs?

[tyckspoon]

Originally Posted by Anarion

Oh, for crying out loud, the Lord English Cairo Coat. Now Hussie is just messing with us.

Eeeyup. Hussie be trollin'.

[TheArsenal]

Oh my god. RoboCal.

[Athaniar]

Originally Posted by irenicObserver

YESSSS! We need moar crossovers!

skip to 0:59

That is awesome. The vocies are actually quite good (and their reactions are pretty spot-on too).

What, me? I'm just here from Ponythread, lurking, don't mind me.

[Fayd]

Originally Posted by Draconi Redfir

Yes we know all this, but we DON'T know if she will be THIS session's hero of space!




Wich is exactly what i have been saying this whole gog dang time!

I think this confusion comes from the fact that I was terribly unclear; my apologies.

Inyssius did get what I meant; I didn't mean to imply that there couldn't be ANOTHER hero of Space, we just happen to know that this Alpha session will have a hero of Space. Jade. Now, we don't know if this rules out anything else.

We do, however, know that Jane is a hero of life, if UU can be trusted.

Also: Beta timelines are doomed to fail, and doomed in general. Alpha timelines, on the other hand, are meant to succeed and carry forward. Now: This is now the Alpha session. Hussie is very clever sometimes.

[BRC]

Apparently, Bro's thing is Robots. Which makes sense. Puppets => Robots.

[Lix Lorn]

Originally Posted by Midnight Lurker

Inyssius? Draconi? Would you two please stop agreeing with each other at the top of your lungs?

Oh god that's funnier than it should be. Can I quote it?

[Androgeus]

Guys, I'm sure about this but I think there might be a connection between Jake and Lord English.

[Friv]

Originally Posted by Androgeus

Guys, I'm sure about this but I think there might be a connection between Jake and Lord English.

You think so? I don't really see it.


Okay, seriously, here are my two current theories.

Theory #1 - UU is Aradia's ancestor from the pre-scratch universe. While she uses grey text, and is sort of taking up Karkat's place in the system, her chumname is very similar to Aradia's (UranianUmbra as opposed to ArisenApocalypse), and she shares Aradia's tick of single-letter substitution, and using that single letter for all of her smiley faces. Also, she is a girl, and a troll, and thus presumably one of the trollcestors.

Theory #2 - Grandma Jade from the post-scratch universe is one of Lord English's posse, the way that the Empress and the Handmaid were in the troll universe. That's why her name is English, and she made so many Lord English-related things which Jake inherited - Lord English seems to enjoy using ancestors as members of his crew. Jake himself isn't actually connected to Lord English, except through his grandmother.

[BRC]

Originally Posted by Friv

You think so? I don't really see it.


Okay, seriously, here are my two current theories.

Theory #1 - UU is Aradia's ancestor from the pre-scratch universe. While she uses grey text, and is sort of taking up Karkat's place in the system, her chumname is very similar to Aradia's (UranianUmbra as opposed to ArisenApocalypse), and she shares Aradia's tick of single-letter substitution, and using that single letter for all of her smiley faces. Also, she is a girl, and a troll, and thus presumably one of the trollcestors.

My personal theory is that UU is Feferi's Ancestor (Pre-scratch, so she would be the kid version). The grey text is still a way to hide (like with Karkat) but for different reasons. She's still the guardian of Glyblyglub (or however you spell it), which means she still needs to kill Lususes to feed her.
While this is necessary to ensure the survival of the Troll race for the same reason it was Post Scratch, it still means she's the one killing luseses and orphaning trolls, kind of like a tax collector who kills your parents.

She hides behind Grey Text because, if anybody knew who she was, they wouldn't want anything to do with her, since this version of Alternia dosn't have such a casual stance on Murder.


Also, a theory I ran into on the MSPA forums, Bro was actually responding, up until this point.

TT: Nope. Not buying it.
TT: I know that every ounce of your premium behind can be accounted for in that rabbit, and there's no goddamned denying it.
TT: And you know perfectly well where some more uranium can be located.

At which point he drops the glasses and his autoreply takes over. After that point his syntax changes drastically.