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Old 01-18-2012, 08:37 PM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Welcome, welcome, to the Archetype Combo Guide. I'm rewriting this intro to be more relevant, now that it's complete in it's initial form. Let me lay out the rules of what to expect and then the lists.
  • Sources: Advanced Player's Guide, Pathfinder Society Field Guide, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic
  • There are two special things to note:
    • Italics means the class feature is modified instead of replaced, though it still means it can't be replaced or modified a second time.
    • Striked Out Archetypes mean that, while possible, it's not recommended to combine these archetypes, due to trading class features that make combining them fairly useless, like Qinggong Martial Artists or Master Broodmasters.
  • I have no plans to further expand the list at the present time, though if others want to make their own assessments and additions, I will consider adding them to the Guide.
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Alchemists
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Ranger
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Summoner
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Wizard
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Reserving an Extra Post, Just in case I spill over.
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Last post reserved, because I'm paranoid like that.

Feel free to post now.
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Fantastic. I can tell this could be really useful, so thanks very much. I'm sure I'll be referencing it heavily whenever I make a character.
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Yeah, this is amazing, man.
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Fantastic. I can tell this could be really useful, so thanks very much. I'm sure I'll be referencing it heavily whenever I make a character.
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Yeah, this is amazing, man.
It's why I'm doing it, as Paizo unfortunately didn't have the foresight to put such a thing together, plus the fact that having to dig through text to find out what features are replaced gets annoying quick. As the title eludes to, PF d20 SRD's method isn't much better, at least for me, as keeping track of rows to compare what has what is a different kind of annoying.

Also, you're welcome. Any resource to reduce eye strain and referencing headaches is a good thing in my book.
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Cavalier, Cleric and Druid Archetypes added. Cleric and Druid Archetypes don't really combine well, unless you're Scroll Scholar or Pack Lord, apparently.

Fighter Archetypes is tomorrow and probably solo, as there's a huge number of those and hopefully combines easier than Druid does.
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Good luck with the fighter, and thanks for this, its definantly getting saved.

edit: And pretty much none work together, can't check it right now, but I think the fighter's archetypes don't work together.
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Truly, this is a worthwhile venture. Also, good to know that my planned Bear Cavlary Cavilier will work. My poor D.M...
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Awesome thread idea, subscribed for future reference!
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Truly, this is a worthwhile venture. Also, good to know that my planned Bear Cavlary Cavilier will work. My poor D.M...
So that's Beast Rider and Gendarme, I'm guessing?
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Hell yes it's Beast Rider and Gendarme!

...Although, to be honest, a tiger would work better because of pounce, but **** you, I'm on a bear that will become huge-sized next level.
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This looks astoundingly useful. Thank you for putting this together!
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Is there a reason Bard got left out of this listing?
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Because I forgot?
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Bard is rectified and Fighter is up, though that was lots of work with not much to show. Turns out there's exactly one Fighter Archetype that can combine with a select few others. I suppose I shouldn't be that surprised, as the only things to trade are Weapon and Armor Training, basically.

I may or may not update tomorrow, as I'll be at my local PFS game day for most of Saturday. We'll see, though...
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Incredible. Thank you!
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I saw someone do this with monk archetypes on the Paizo forums. Using the list posted by Epic Meepo from this Link

Not promising a perfect list but figured you wouldn't mind a little help especially with monk archetype combinations -- it's a bit overwhelming.

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Pretty sure that Drunken master, monk of the four winds, and monk of the sacred mountain all stack.
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I didn't realize you could combine Beastmorph and Vivisectionist. That's kinda unsettling.
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My character right now is one of those. I flavor it as him making 'improvements' to his body, using. . . Acquired material.
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Same thing here. Characters Mutagen is a DANGEROUS thing.
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Hi

Making up a character for Conception (UK convention). Got the plastic WotC Wulfger mini, and basing stuf around that.

Mountain Druid looks good, as does Unbreakable Fighter.

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1) Mountain Druid. (Weather Domain) Feats: Toughness. Point Blank Shot
2) Unbrakable Fighter (Endurance, Diehard - Replaces Combat Feat)
3) Mountain Druid. Feat: Pwr Attack

And so on.....
(PBS is for the mini lighning bolts I'll be calling down within 30'. 3+wis mod/day).

Just a suggestion.
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Hi

Making up a character for Conception (UK convention). Got the plastic WotC Wulfger mini, and basing stuf around that.

Mountain Druid looks good, as does Unbreakable Fighter.

Human (Ulfen)
Str 15 Dex 12 Con 14 Int 10 Wis 18 Cha 7

1) Mountain Druid. (Weather Domain) Feats: Toughness. Point Blank Shot
2) Unbreakable Fighter (Endurance, Diehard - Replaces Combat Feat)
3) Mountain Druid. Feat: Pwr Attack

And so on.....
(PBS is for the mini lighning bolts I'll be calling down within 30'. 3+wis mod/day).

Just a suggestion.
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Um...okay? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything in the thread, other than using Archetypes...
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Gunslinger and Inquisitor are up, Magus and Monk tomorrow. I've done Gunslinger as how the Archetypes likely work (a.k.a. Pistolero replaces Gun Training).
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Gun tank and Pistolero?

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Yeah...weird combination, I know, as I see Gun Tanks as being more muskety but Gun Tank and Musket Master both replace Gunslinger's Dodge. No dwarven Musket Tanks, though you can still dip out to Bounty Hunter Ranger or Grit Rogue to pick up extra deeds.
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It does make some sense though, because the other hand would hold some sort of riot sheild.
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Is there any way thus far of combining THREE or more archetypes into a single build?
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