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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by sonofzeal
Is there any way thus far of combining THREE or more archetypes into a single build?
I initially tried doing that but I'm not sure how I'd showcase it. After I finish doing 2 Archetypes, I may go back to double check for Triples.
As Curious said, Quingong is the go-to for 3 archetypes, though Totem Warrior will always plus one any Barbarian mix. I don't even know why it's listed as an archetype, since it doesn't actually change anything besides giving fluff text.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
Out of curiosity, of the archetype combinations available for bards, are there any audience favorites or archetypes that just seem to synergize well together?
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+3 Girlfriend is totally unoptimized. You are better off with a +1 Keen Witty girlfriend and then appling Greater Magic Make-up to increase her enhancement bonus.
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by Coidzor
Out of curiosity, of the archetype combinations available for bards, are there any audience favorites or archetypes that just seem to synergize well together?
Mm, well, this isn't really archetype synergy, but if you allow 3.5 material, Dawnflower Dervish is incredible combined with Words of Creation on a Bardblade build. DD doubles your Inspire Courage bonuses, but they only apply to yourself.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by Coidzor
Out of curiosity, of the archetype combinations available for bards, are there any audience favorites or archetypes that just seem to synergize well together?
Geisha Songhealer fit thematically well together.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
About rules for combining archetypes - is it possible to combine multiple archetypes that share replaced class features as long as you don't take the class to that point? EX: can you be a monk with master of many styles + monk of the four winds + monk of the healing hand, and just level something else at 20 since they only overlap on Perfect Self?
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by sonofzeal
Is there any way thus far of combining THREE or more archetypes into a single build?
Ranger can!
Pick one of Skirmisher/Trapper to trade away your Spells.
Skirmisher ONLY trades away spells, Trapper trades away Spells and tweaks your Skills. Skirmisher can make a LOT of 3-archetypes.
Pick ACF that trades away Favored Terrain.
Pick ACF that trades away Favored Enemy (that doesn't also mess with the above)
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by Eshi
About rules for combining archetypes - is it possible to combine multiple archetypes that share replaced class features as long as you don't take the class to that point? EX: can you be a monk with master of many styles + monk of the four winds + monk of the healing hand, and just level something else at 20 since they only overlap on Perfect Self?
Nope, doesn't matter whether you take it that far or not, archetypes don't combine if they replace the same features.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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I never got this much attention, and I did it before they had the charts. *cries*
My initial research to see if anyone else had done something like this and Google didn't turn anything up besides the Monk Archetype combo thread over at Paizo. This would have been nice to know existed ahead of time, as it is a nice little resource. I think I'll double check my work against it for what you do have, as it looks like you don't have UC in there. I don't think the SRD has the PSFG archetypes, so I think I may be the first resource on that front.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by Coidzor
Out of curiosity, of the archetype combinations available for bards, are there any audience favorites or archetypes that just seem to synergize well together?
Soundstriker + Magician is the ultimate blaster bard combo.
Magician lets you buff both ally spellcasters as well as yourself and Soundstriker allows performances to be used for consistent damage output.
Add in the fact that you can use Spellsong to both Wordstrike (or the very powerful Weird Word at level 6) and cast a spell on the same turn AND can use Harmonic Spell to continue playing your other performances for nearly forever using cantrips easily overcomes the weapon and bardic knowledge abilities that you loose in return.
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by GreenZ
Soundstriker + Magician is the ultimate blaster bard combo.
Magician lets you buff both ally spellcasters as well as yourself and Soundstriker allows performances to be used for consistent damage output.
Add in the fact that you can use Spellsong to both Wordstrike (or the very powerful Weird Word at level 6) and cast a spell on the same turn AND can use Harmonic Spell to continue playing your other performances for nearly forever using cantrips easily overcomes the weapon and bardic knowledge abilities that you loose in return.
Ooo. I hadn't seen that feat yet. Thank you for pointing that out that's pretty awesome. If only there were swift action cantrips...
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+3 Girlfriend is totally unoptimized. You are better off with a +1 Keen Witty girlfriend and then appling Greater Magic Make-up to increase her enhancement bonus.
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
Monk and Magus archetypes are up. Two things I learned today: Martial Artists can still be Qinggong Monks, despite not having any Ki for Ki Powers. The other is that every Magi can have their own wannabe Stormbringer if they really want one. Elric, indeed.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
Cannot thank you enough. I have searched for something like this for a while now. I was kind of hoping to find something like a multiplication table, or the pokemon type interaction table (you know, how the row interacts with the column sort of thin), but this works just fine.
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Fortunately, a Monk 1/Warblade 19 uses Iron Heart Surge to end the Monk character class, and the day is saved.
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Thank you again for this amazingly useful post!
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Cannot thank you enough. I have searched for something like this for a while now. I was kind of hoping to find something like a multiplication table, or the pokemon type interaction table (you know, how the row interacts with the column sort of thin), but this works just fine.
You're both welcome.
Updating: Oracle and Paladin are up. I must say, whoever edited Paladin archetypes didn't know what the **** they were doing, as they can't standardize how to replace or alter features, even in the same book. Divine Bond is prime among those, but I found an instance of a Channel Positive Energy with a feature of the exact same name (Hospitaler) or replacing Lay on Hands with a feature that does the exact same thing but renaming it, disallowing you from actually taking anything to enhance it (Oath of Charity). Hospitaler Oathbound Paladins of Charity are prime for Ultimate Mercy, yet can't actually take it, since they don't technically have Lay on Hands. *aims goblin crew at Paizo headquarters*
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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You're both welcome.
Updating: Oracle and Paladin are up. I must say, whoever edited Paladin archetypes didn't know what the **** they were doing, as they can't standardize how to replace or alter features, even in the same book. Divine Bond is prime among those, but I found an instance of a Channel Positive Energy with a feature of the exact same name (Hospitaler) or replacing Lay on Hands with a feature that does the exact same thing but renaming it, disallowing you from actually taking anything to enhance it (Oath of Charity). Hospitaler Oathbound Paladins of Charity are prime for Ultimate Mercy, yet can't actually take it, since they don't technically have Lay on Hands. *aims goblin crew at Paizo headquarters*
*you* Prepare the cannon!
*Paizo* Prepare the CANON!
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Fortunately, a Monk 1/Warblade 19 uses Iron Heart Surge to end the Monk character class, and the day is saved.
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by Cieyrin
though Totem Warrior will always plus one any Barbarian mix. I don't even know why it's listed as an archetype, since it doesn't actually change anything besides giving fluff text.
No, the rules say you must be a Totem warrior to have more than 1 totem (Ultimate Combat). Yes, you lose nothing so only fools aren't totem warriors but still.
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Gun tank and Pistolero?
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Yeah...weird combination, I know, as I see Gun Tanks as being more muskety but Gun Tank and Musket Master both replace Gunslinger's Dodge. No dwarven Musket Tanks, though you can still dip out to Bounty Hunter Ranger or Grit Rogue to pick up extra deeds.
I'm going to see if I can't combine a Locked Gauntlet and a pistol to have a forearm-mounted gun on a clockwork suit of fullplate.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by Starbuck_II
No, the rules say you must be a Totem warrior to have more than 1 totem (Ultimate Combat). Yes, you lose nothing so only fools aren't totem warriors but still.
Huh, so it does. That is a very stealthy buff they slipped in there.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
Monk is redone and Ranger is up. My cold is back with a vengeance, so Rogue will wait till tomorrow to go with Sorcerer and Summoner, both of which are short. For now, I'm gonna go take some cold medicine and go attempt to pass out.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by Cieyrin
Monk is redone and Ranger is up. My cold is back with a vengeance, so Rogue will wait till tomorrow to go with Sorcerer and Summoner, both of which are short. For now, I'm gonna go take some cold medicine and go attempt to pass out.
You appear to have missed Nirmathi Irregular, the ONLY Ranger Archetype to IMPROVE casting.
Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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Originally Posted by grarrrg
You appear to have missed Nirmathi Irregular, the ONLY Ranger Archetype to IMPROVE casting.
No I haven't, I said early on that I was only drawing from APG, UM, UC and PSFG, as those are the books I have access to offline, when I do most of this work. I also said that if people want to provide entries for books I'm not covering, they can feel free to post them. I don't have a copy of the Inner Sea Magic or the Inner Sea World Guide, so there aren't any Aldori Swordmasters or Dawnflower Dervishes, either.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
Nirmathi IrregularPCS: Inner Sea Magic Features Replaced:Weapon/Armor Prof., Favored Enemy, Wild Empathy, Favored Terrain, Spells (note: the Ranger still receives 1 each of Favored Enemy and Favored Terrain) Valid Archetypes to Combine with: Beast Master, Horse Lord, Infiltrator, Spirit Ranger. Does not combine with: Skirmisher, Trapper
There is a bit of confusion regarding the entry on the PFSRD (I don't have the book). It trades the same feature away twice.
The class trades away Favored Enemy, and gets Focused Enemy.
The class trades away Favored Enemy, and gets Focused Terrain.
Focused Terrain should obviously replaced Favored Terrain, and that is what the combinations are based on.
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Re: [PF] Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying
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