Skyrim IV: Oblivion

[t209]

Originally Posted by thegurullamen

Empire for the simple reason that they're all-inclusive, even if they suck at governing. Better than racist yokels being in charge. Shame about Talos, but

Spoiler

if Elisef, the wife of the murdered king, can come around on that issue, it wont be long before other Imperials/White-Gold Concordant supporters do, too.

Alvor said that Imperials actually ignored their secret talos worship before Stormcloak Rebellion.

[Flickerdart]

Originally Posted by Darius Macab

Why not option C? Join the stormcloaks long enough to overthrow the empire, then destroy the stormcloaks and take your place as Witch-King of Skyrim, move the capital to Whiterun, use the thieves guild and dark brotherhood as enforcers, and the companions and military leaders, backed by battle mages trained at the colledge, all of them loyal to you alone.

DM

Because ruling is boring? Just mosey on up to the Dominion and burn it to the ground.

[Triaxx]

Not nearly that many, but I'll try. Pity that NMM lacks FOMM's Deactivate All button.

[Zale]

I don't like either.

The Empire is.. The Empire, which kind of tired to kill me for no apparent reason.

The Stormcloaks are a bit racist.

Anytime I begin to favor one, I see something to tilt me away from them..

Is there a "Nuke All" option?

[Calemyr]

It's hard to blame the entire Empire for one Captain's judgment call. You were there illegally, after all. Neither option was good from her standpoint, as she didn't want to let a possible conspirator escape, but she eventually went with the "only way to be sure". It was a measured, practical response to a difficult decision. It's also the only good reason a non-Nord might consider the Stormcloaks other then the "Empire=Bad" cliche that's been engrained in our collective skulls for decades.

Me, I don't like the fact that I can't take the fight to the Dominion, but I'm always a loyal Imperial dog. The Stormcloaks do nothing but harm, even to their own cause.

[Volthawk]

Besides, in terms of fighting the Thalmor, having the Empire win is better. If the Stormcloaks win, then you have the Empire, the Stormcloaks, Hammerfell and any other factions I missed, not united against the Thalmor, and the former two having just come out of a war with each other. Not exactly the situation that makes a second war against the Thalmor easy. While if the Empire wins, then it has access to Skyrim's forces as well as the other provinces of the Empire (although that may just be Cyrodil at this point, not too sure about that), providing a more unified force to deal with the Thalmor (Hammerfell still wouldn't be part of that unity, but their big problem with the Empire is that they let the Thalmor invade and do their stuff, so they'd probably be willing to take on the Thalmor again).

[t209]

If we count in faction supporters from other forums.
Talya (Stormcloak)
Janus (imperial)
Top Cat (imperial)
Beowulf DW (Stormcloak)
I will start counting the polls tomorrow.

[megahobbit]

RACIST YOKELS they may be a bit xenophobic but they have good principles what would you do if someone said you couldnt worship your deity. Everybody thinks oh no the dunmer are in the ghetto but they dont have a spotless history of racial equility play morrowind they keep slaves. Yes SLAVES. So put me down for stormcloak (though witch king wouldnt be so bad). The stormcloaks let me in and im a high elf. Plus they have cool names.

[Hazzardevil]

Originally Posted by Flickerdart

Because ruling is boring? Just mosey on up to the Dominion and burn it to the ground.

Since when did that stop the main character being a king/queen in Fable?
And also, if Dovahking becomes kingm he would likely become a warrior king like the old ones. Being that gives you the right to rule caldria immediately, you just have to show you can lead.

[t209]

Results for the factions are
7 Imperial Supporters (63.64%)
4 stormcloaks Supporters (36.36%)
So most people in Giant Forum supported Imperials.

[ObadiahtheSlim]

Imperials all the way. Sure Tullius can be a bit of an ass, but Rikke is a good solid Nord woman. Conversely, Ulfric is a total racist jerk and his 2nd in command is even worse.

[Triaxx]

You know, I wouldn't object to the decision from the Captain so much if it didn't feel so arbitrary and tempermental. Just feels like she's doing it because she's in a mood. I mean, it's not like she had to run all the way to Solitude for higher orders. The bloody military commander in charge of the entire imperial legion in Skyrim is standing thirty feet away. I mean, I'm not going anywhere. I suspect it's just pure laziness that she didn't want to walk over and ask. Or send someone to run over and ask for him. Yeesh.

It's not asking that much for a little effort before you just lop my head off..

[Calemyr]

She did just have to shoot a runaway who was proclaiming innocence (after a fashion). She probably was in a mood. Of course, she almost destroyed the world because she was too busy to pay attention to protest.

From a practical stand point, it was necessary. Her hard-nosed judgment puts everyone in the same spot at the beginning of the game no matter their race or supposed origins. She doesn't care. You were caught during the ambush, whatever your excuse for being there, you get executed - no bias, no favoritism, no mercy. It's a lot easier to build a story from a single starting point.

[t209]

Originally Posted by Calemyr

She did just have to shoot a runaway who was proclaiming innocence (after a fashion). She probably was in a mood. Of course, she almost destroyed the world because she was too busy to pay attention to protest.

From a practical stand point, it was necessary. Her hard-nosed judgment puts everyone in the same spot at the beginning of the game no matter their race or supposed origins. She doesn't care. You were caught during the ambush, whatever your excuse for being there, you get executed - no bias, no favoritism, no mercy. It's a lot easier to build a story from a single starting point.

Well, the runaway's name was listed in the book.
Hadvar: Lokir of Rorikstead.
Lokir (Runaway): No I'm not a rebel.

[pffh]

That runaway was a horse thief and horse thieves are almost worse then murderers (from a viking/medieval perspective) since they either stole the horse from a noble (death sentence anyway) or they stole it from someone that probably depended on it for survival meaning he doomed their entire family.

[t209]

Question: Is there any reasons why Stormcloaks were not listed as La Resistance in TV Trope. (Too Racist? Too Organized? or Too Feudalistic?)

[Flickerdart]

Originally Posted by t209

Question: Is there any reasons why Stormcloaks were not listed as La Resistance in TV Trope. (Too Racist? Too Organized? or Too Feudalistic?)

La Resistance is more of an occupation/underground dynamic. The Stormcloaks are fighting a civil war, with equal manpower and resources to their opponents.

[Triaxx]

Fits better in Your Terrorists are our Freedom Fighters.

[t209]

Originally Posted by Flickerdart

La Resistance is more of an occupation/underground dynamic. The Stormcloaks are fighting a civil war, with equal manpower and resources to their opponents.

How about Forsworn? They use hit and run, mountain hideouts (unlike Azurites, they divided into cells)

Spoiler

and Deep Cover agents to attack Nords by tricking the Silverbloods into using them.

to liberate their homeland. Well, they're kinda like Barbarian Savages.

[Triaxx]

The Forsworn/Silverblood thing shows that even Skyrim can manage Grey/Grey Morality.

[t209]

Originally Posted by Triaxx

The Forsworn/Silverblood thing shows that even Skyrim can manage Grey/Grey Morality.

More like Black and Black Morality, or Black (Silverblood) and Grey (Forsworn) morality.
What would Silverbloods alignment be? Lawful Evil or Neutral Evil?

[TheEmerged]

So, I've hit level 60. Bard's college is done, Alchemy has capped out, and both my Two Handed & Heavy Armor skills are in the 70's (and remember, I capped Light Armor & One Handed before I even started them). I think I'm officially out of excuses not to go back to the main quest. Looks like my next step is to crash an Elfascist party.

I actually had a bit of fun last night. I went hunting for Mudcrabs outside Whiterun when I heard the tell-tale music change preceeding a dragon attack. This one tried to kite me, so I took off after it... and the next thing you know, I've stumbled into that giant camp out there. No crisis, I'll just slaughter the dragon and run when I'm done, right? It seems that giants will follow you for a long, LONG time in this game.

I mentioned capping Alchemy, right? I've got my +112% alchemy set done. As I understand the math, I can do this one more time to get to a +116% set but that's as far as the math will take me. Then I can remake my "real" armor set. It'll be nice to have those Resist Magic enchants back.

Someone made the suggestion that the best way to level Alteration was to throw around a block of cheese. I have to say the random piece of venison in my house seems to work rather well too Most of my skillups until now have been from transmuting iron to silver to gold.

In other news, taking on 5 mudcrabs at once can do wonders for your Block & Heavy Armor skills. I even managed some Restoration skillups from the sequence.

[Qwertystop]

Guess what?

Iron-Silver-Gold works really well when combined with the mod that lets you disassemble-craft. Buy iron, make silver, make gold, turn gold into coins, buy more iron.

[t209]

Originally Posted by Qwertystop

Guess what?

Iron-Silver-Gold works really well when combined with the mod that lets you disassemble-craft. Buy iron, make silver, make gold, turn gold into coins, buy more iron.

You mean Transmutation things (my redguard has one).

[VanBuren]

After being released on Xbox 360, the Bethblog brings us news that patch v1.5 has been released on Sony's platform, both in Europe and the US. Unfortunately, it appears there are some problems with entering water introduced by the patch, so here's the developers' suggestion to avoid them:

Some PS3 players have reported crashing issues when entering water. If this is occurring for you, you’ll want to clear the game data for Skyrim.

[SheepInDisguise]

I have a bug. I am going to Korvanjund, and am doing the Stormcloak storyline. When I meet with Glamar Stone-Fist, he starts attacking me. I recently installed the "More Map Markers", ""Better Riften" and "Detailed Cities" Mods. Help?

[megahobbit]

On a subject other than grey and grey morality of skyrim what is your favorite race? My buddy is a nord and mine is a n argonian what is yours?

[Hazzardevil]

Does anyone know if it is possible to make Summon spells and summon shouts last longer? Since I have had the idea of making calling a dragon last several days like a pet.

[TheEmerged]

Originally Posted by megahobbit

On a subject other than grey and grey morality of skyrim what is your favorite race? My buddy is a nord and mine is a n argonian what is yours?

Except for Daggerfall, I've always played a Breton in these games. Go ahead and laugh at the boring choice, it's okay. I like being able to talk my way out of problems and being able to use magic without being helpless at combat, so there you go.

The exception? If you played Daggerfall back when it was a new definition for bugginess game, you wouldn't be asking. There was a certain exploit with the class creation system in the game, you see...

Regarding grey vs grey, I think the rift between the Blades and Greybeards is telling as well. The Greybeards infantilize the Blades ("They mess with things they don't understand"), who dowderize the Greybeards ("they're afraid to DO anything with their alleged understanding"). I very much left this exchange feeling like I don't care for either half too much.

[t209]

Originally Posted by megahobbit

On a subject other than grey and grey morality of skyrim what is your favorite race? My buddy is a nord and mine is a n argonian what is yours?

Redguard and Orc.