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Old 04-12-2012, 10:50 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Well, I think I've got a First Excellency and an Anima Power (going deep into the Devil-Tiger tree).
First Diospyros Excellency:
The Breaker of Order is insightful when analyzing others, but tends to be hasty in carrying out his own plans to destabilize them. He seeks to destroy all order in Creation’s societies by twisting the intentions of their customs against themselves and each other.
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Shatterer Anima power: A Shatterer generally wishes to be able to create chaos more than once in a given city. When he performs an action which sets off a chain reaction, he may spend five motes. If he does, anybody who was aware of his role in catalyzing the disaster will forget all details about him once he leaves their sight, remembering only that they had seen a nondescript someone-or-something starting it. If they knew of him outside this event, they do not lose that knowledge, only the knowledge of him as the cause of the event.

If you're wondering, the name was chosen entirely because it sounds good. Apparently, it's the name of the genus of the kind of trees that produce persimmons.

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Shatterer Anima power: A Shatterer generally wishes to be able to create chaos more than once in a given city. When he performs an action which sets off a chain reaction, he may spend five motes. If he does, anybody who was aware of his role in catalyzing the disaster will forget all details about him once he leaves their sight, remembering only that they had seen a nondescript someone-or-something starting it. If they knew of him outside this event, they do not lose that knowledge, only the knowledge of him as the cause of the event.
That anima power is good, with one problem: It needs a resistance cost like the Adamant anima power. (Essence) willpower ought to be good.

It's more restricted than the Adamant power, but it's also stronger in that it leaves even fewer details. As an Infernal, you have some room to add a little bit to it.
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That anima power is good, with one problem: It needs a resistance cost like the Adamant anima power. (Essence) willpower ought to be good.

It's more restricted than the Adamant power, but it's also stronger in that it leaves even fewer details. As an Infernal, you have some room to add a little bit to it.
How does that work? I don't have the Alchemical book.
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How does that work? I don't have the Alchemical book.
Adamant caste anima power makes witnesses forget they saw the adamant caste. Much like your power.

It is unnatural mental influence, and like all UMI it has a Willpower cost to resist, which yours is missing, which causes it to go to the default, of 1wp.

Hmm... Thinking about it, anima powers like that need to list their keywords too right?

And since it is rolling, I want opinions here! Also a devil-tiger for Lix' game.

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Adamant caste anima power makes witnesses forget they saw the adamant caste. Much like your power.

It is unnatural mental influence, and like all UMI it has a Willpower cost to resist, which yours is missing, which causes it to go to the default, of 1wp.

Hmm... Thinking about it, anima powers like that need to list their keywords too right?

And since it is rolling, I want opinions here! Also a devil-tiger for Lix' game.
So how do I put it in? Just say "The cost to resist this is an amount of willpower equal to the Shatterer's Essence rating"?
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So how do I put it in? Just say "The cost to resist this is an amount of willpower equal to the Shatterer's Essence rating"?
Yes.
But that answer is too short, so have a longer one:
Yes, although you could also say "Victims may spend a number of willpower points equal to the Shatterer's (Essence) to resist this effect, to a maximum of five willpower."

(5 is the max anyway.)
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That's okay, the canon Infernals are a bunch of dorks anyway.

It is, however, missing the Alchemicals (except ERB, he can stay off)
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That's okay, the canon Infernals are a bunch of dorks anyway.
That just makes it easier to put them on there!

Only Gyrfalcon really has much goofiness. And he's my favorite personality-wise. I like how Cearr looks though. Except on the cover, I don't really like how the cover artist draws guys like Cearr and Panther.
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That just makes it easier to put them on there!

Only Gyrfalcon really has much goofiness. And he's my favorite personality-wise. I like how Cearr looks though. Except on the cover, I don't really like how the cover artist draws guys like Cearr and Panther.
Gyrfalcon's pretty cool.

Though that may just be my airship bias speaking.
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Gyrfalcon's pretty cool.

Though that may just be my airship bias speaking.
I like Gyrfalcon in concept, but he is an utter disaster in execution, because his Charms don't support his nature.

He is an airship pilot who cannot stop running if he wants to be able to defend himself. He is an airship pilot who cannot see in daylight. He is an airship pilot who cannot enhance his crew or empower his airship in any way.
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I like Gyrfalcon in concept, but he is an utter disaster in execution, because his Charms don't support his nature.

He is an airship pilot who cannot stop running if he wants to be able to defend himself. He is an airship pilot who cannot see in daylight. He is an airship pilot who cannot enhance his crew or empower his airship in any way.
It's true. Its like they went "Well, Airship Pilot, obviously he's the Exalt of that wind person!" without any idea of what Adorjan was actually like.

It might've been more appropriate for Cearr to have been the Scourge, tapping into Adorjan's sudden and brutal violence parts with Malfeas favored, and Gyrfalcon to have been the Slayer, tapping into Malfeas' leadership stuff with a bit of the Ebon Dragon's bastardness charms.

It would also have made more sense weapon-wise. I hope Gyrfalcon realizes that he's only going to be pistol-whipping people with that gun, because Adorjan doesn't play well with ranged weapons. Meanwhile, Kissed By Hellish Noon is all you need to turn your gun into The Calamity Cannon (courtesy of Bastion).
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So while at least a portion of us are already in Devil-Tiger mode (but no one feels like critiquing anyone else's work ), what thoughts does everyone have on Greater Shintai (Greater Shintai of the Endless Desert, Tenebrous Apotheosis Shintai)? We know that Shintai are supposed to be iconic of the Yozi in question and that it's likely that each Shintai represents one of the Yozi's jouten. Are the Greater Shintais just the full stop Yozi versions of the Shintai? Is there a Greater Shintai of the Demon City that builds off of Demon Emperor Shintai by turning you into a giant radioactive brass city rather than a giant radioactive brass dude? How does everyone think they should look?

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The Demon City is not radioactive. At least, not normally. He's only poisonous to mortals normally.
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The Demon City is not radioactive. At least, not normally. He's only poisonous to mortals normally.
Well, The Green Mile (which has almost nothing to do with the movie), lessens the effect of radiation in exchange for greater area. I suspect that the Greater Shintai, should it operate in the manner seen thus far, would incorporate a similar effect.

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How does everyone think they should look?
I don't know about you guys, but my Lagomorphic Supernova Shintai looks like a bunny.

Seriously, though, my personal opinion (since you asked), I think every Yozi and every progression of Shintai is going to be slightly different. The way The Ebon Dragon goes 'Black Mirror Scene-Long -> Black Mirror Indefinite Upgrade -> Tenebrous Apotheosis -> Dragon That Swallowed The Sun' is going to be a little different than how Cecelyne goes 'Soul-Sand Permanent -> Greater Shintai of the Endless Desert Indefinite -> [Something Else - Argent Apotheosis Shintai?] -> [My Ass Is Infinitely Big E10]'

But a rough guess would be, your basic outline might look like,

Scene Long Single-Theme Shintai (Essence 3-5)
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Greater Imperfection Shintai, which grants [Dude] Worldshaper Assumption and [Dude] Epic Panoply at an earlier Essence than those would normally be accessible. (Essence ~8)
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I Look Like This Big Impressive Thing While Greater Imperfection Shintai Is Active, So I Still Have a Reason To Have My Greater Imperfection Up Even Though I Can Totally Just Buy [Dude] Worldshaper Assumption and [Dude] Epic Panoply fo' reals now.

So, to use Malfeas as an example, perhaps Devil-Tyrant Avatar Shintai eventually is subsumed into an Indefinite "Greater Shintai of the Demon City", where it represent's Malfeas' ability to spawn and shatter layers and buildings at a whim (kind of like how Soul-Sand Devil Shintai represent's the spiritual part of Greater Shintai of the Endless Desert, but it needs to be tempered with other Cecelyne Sand charms, perhaps Devil-Tyrant Avatar needs to be tempered with Malfeas City charms first). At this point, you can become a city, but not an arbitrarily large dimension-spanning one.

And then, he eventually gets Emerald Apotheosis Shintai, which grants Malfeas Worldshaper Assumption and Malfeas Epic Panoply if you don't already have them, plus The Greater Imperfection of the Demon City

Once you get to Essence 10, then you get Brazen Heaven-Slaughtering Metropolis, which makes you Arbitrarily Large City Man while Emerald Apotheosis Shintai is active.

Perhaps Demon Emperor Shintai functions similarly, eventually being tempered by Malfeas Dance charms to become an Indefinite or Permanent 'Brass Dancer Jouten Extrusion'.
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I got thinking about a Cecelynian Gyrfalcon, and it made me wonder. Do you think the skies would count as Places of Desolation automatically, or is it what's down beneath that matters? I guess it's the second, Holy Land Infliction suggests as much, but there is an argument to be made for the first.
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I don't like the "Shintai represent Jouten" concept. Jouten are idiosyncratic to the Primordial in question, and so are Shintai, but I really don't see why everyone wants them to be related.
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It's true. Its like they went "Well, Airship Pilot, obviously he's the Exalt of that wind person!" without any idea of what Adorjan was actually like.

It might've been more appropriate for Cearr to have been the Scourge, tapping into Adorjan's sudden and brutal violence parts with Malfeas favored, and Gyrfalcon to have been the Slayer, tapping into Malfeas' leadership stuff with a bit of the Ebon Dragon's bastardness charms.

It would also have made more sense weapon-wise. I hope Gyrfalcon realizes that he's only going to be pistol-whipping people with that gun, because Adorjan doesn't play well with ranged weapons. Meanwhile, Kissed By Hellish Noon is all you need to turn your gun into The Calamity Cannon (courtesy of Bastion).
Gyrfalcon carries a sword.

But I think it would be better if he was still a Scourge, but he favored Malfeas and didn't really take any Adorjan Charms other than Wind-Born Stride.

Although he does need Archery for his firewand, Melee for his sword, and War to command his crew in battle.
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Yes? He also carries a gun. A gun that he won't be able to use in conjunction with Adorjan charms, unless he fires it at melee range. At which point I don't see a reason to have a gun in the first place.

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I don't like the "Shintai represent Jouten" concept. Jouten are idiosyncratic to the Primordial in question, and so are Shintai, but I really don't see why everyone wants them to be related.
I'm not actually sure it's fanon anymore? Ebby's Tenebrous Apotheosis Shintai defines things like his body's base size, his base movement speed, his base soak, his natural attacks, his base health levels, and so on. If he doesn't have that charm, he isn't a dragon, even. I'm not sure what he'd look like then.

This Shintai clearly defines his Jouten. Which, I guess he only has one of? That seems fairly in line with The Ebon Dragon, what with doing things like purposefully not creating all of his Third Circle Souls.
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Gyrfalcon carries a sword.

But I think it would be better if he was still a Scourge, but he favored Malfeas and didn't really take any Adorjan Charms other than Wind-Born Stride.

Although he does need Archery for his firewand, Melee for his sword, and War to command his crew in battle.
When I used him in my game, I actually made him favor She Who Lives In Her Name, and gave him Wind-Borne Stride and a suite of Adorjan social Charms, alongside the SWL perfect defense and Cosmic Transcendence of Valor. It sort of makes him the ultimate carefree, fearless pirate captain, and he can use his perfect to stunt crazy energy barriers to protect his ship while he's flying.
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Badass factor.

Well... yeah, okay. That's not a bad reason.
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Old 04-13-2012, 02:30 PM   Top  -  End  -  #30
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Well... yeah, okay. That's not a bad reason.
This is Exalted, sir.

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