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Old 05-18-2012, 05:58 AM   Top  -  End  -  #841
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Wrong size. While OotS-goblins are medium sized, the one in the mini-file conform to D&D-standard of small sized goblins. And there are smaller differences in style between those two races as well.
They're midget deformed hobgoblins, then.
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:16 AM   Top  -  End  -  #842
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Two regular goblins stacked on top of one another = hobgoblin?
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:43 AM   Top  -  End  -  #843
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I'm so sad :(

Every time I see a Kickstarted update, I die a little more inside.

I heard aobut the kickstarter, and desperatly wanted to contribute; I wanted the free stuff of course, but I also wanted to help Rich and his wonderful francise out by chipping in.

So, I began saving money. Then, a water bill came. So I paid it with the kickstarter money. Then, I saved some more. And more. Then, I had to spend it again.

Then, I finally have money together to make a good contribution! Then I realize the drive is finished :(

I'm just going to have to buy the books when they get put on the store instead, but still :( I wish I could've contributed. Why did I have to get paid an entire month late! WHY?!

So, anyway, that's my sad tale.
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:14 AM   Top  -  End  -  #844
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I'm so sad :(

Every time I see a Kickstarted update, I die a little more inside.

I heard aobut the kickstarter, and desperatly wanted to contribute; I wanted the free stuff of course, but I also wanted to help Rich and his wonderful francise out by chipping in.

So, I began saving money. Then, a water bill came. So I paid it with the kickstarter money. Then, I saved some more. And more. Then, I had to spend it again.

Then, I finally have money together to make a good contribution! Then I realize the drive is finished :(

I'm just going to have to buy the books when they get put on the store instead, but still :( I wish I could've contributed. Why did I have to get paid an entire month late! WHY?!

So, anyway, that's my sad tale.


I hope there will be the possibility for people, who were unable to contribute through Kickstarter, to get some of the rewards (especially the PDFs)
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:49 AM   Top  -  End  -  #845
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Two regular goblins stacked on top of one another = hobgoblin?
Or two goblins playing Diablo II...

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Old 05-18-2012, 08:12 AM   Top  -  End  -  #846
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I'm so sad :(

Every time I see a Kickstarted update, I die a little more inside.

I heard aobut the kickstarter, and desperatly wanted to contribute; I wanted the free stuff of course, but I also wanted to help Rich and his wonderful francise out by chipping in.

So, I began saving money. Then, a water bill came. So I paid it with the kickstarter money. Then, I saved some more. And more. Then, I had to spend it again.

Then, I finally have money together to make a good contribution! Then I realize the drive is finished :(

I'm just going to have to buy the books when they get put on the store instead, but still :( I wish I could've contributed. Why did I have to get paid an entire month late! WHY?!

So, anyway, that's my sad tale.
In the future, keep in mind that you don't have to pay at the time you pledge. You are only charged at the end of the project, and if you used a credit card you gave yourself another few weeks to drum up the money.

Also, the digital content is available to all backers, so even a $10 contribution would have gotten you all that. You could have used the $10 pledge as a placeholder, and come back and raise it later if and when you find the cash.

Oh well, hindsight.

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Old 05-18-2012, 09:04 AM   Top  -  End  -  #847
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Sure 10 bucks might not be much, but i think there could be still enough that were not able to contribute to Kickstarter for other reasons:
  • Credit card shenanigans (Pledges from 61 backers dropped after the Kickstarter closed!)
  • "Living under a rock" - there are more than enough reasons peoples are not able to check to the internet for a month [or if able, they can't "waste" the time to check for webcomic]
  • New fans - hey, we all know OotS is awesome, but i think that from time to time new people discover OotS
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:11 AM   Top  -  End  -  #848
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Wrong size. While OotS-goblins are medium sized, the one in the mini-file conform to D&D-standard of small sized goblins. And there are smaller differences in style between those two races as well.
True, but Small and Medium creatures take up the same space on the map, so as long as you remember that they're Medium despite appearances, it should work.

Alternatively you can draw (or get someone to draw for you) your own hobbos. Yeah, it doesn't have that official drawn-by-Rich-Burlew-himself je ne sais quoi, but that kind of thing is what the Draw Your Own sheets are for.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:10 AM   Top  -  End  -  #849
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  • New fans - hey, we all know OotS is awesome, but i think that from time to time new people discover OotS
As one of the people who fall under this catagory, I can assure it is equally as frusterating. Unless they besome available by some other format (say purchasing at Ookoodook either in printable or downloadable form) then I guess that is that, unfortunatly.
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Old 05-18-2012, 01:37 PM   Top  -  End  -  #850
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I'm so sad :(

Every time I see a Kickstarted update, I die a little more inside.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: in all likelihood, almost everything from the KS Drive will become available to all. In time.

We just got the first look-see.

It might take a while to trickle down, but it will. And, hey: think of all the extra stuff Rich will be able to fund off the back of it? It's a win-win.

Think of us as the guinea-pigs. We're here to look for typos and printing errors before you get your hands on the pristine version.
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Old 05-18-2012, 02:36 PM   Top  -  End  -  #851
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From one of the KickStarter announcements:

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Now, in an attempt to get one of the most frequently asked questions out of the way: if you missed the pledge drive deadline, no, you can't pledge now. I'm sorry about that, but I don't have the means to take your pledge and include it in the Kickstarter system—and even if I could, I'm not sure it would be fair to the people who may have struggled to get their pledge in on time.

All of the books will be available on Ookoodook once they are reprinted, so you can still order them then. If you're desperate for the swag, we will be putting whatever we have leftover once we fulfill all the orders up on Ookoodook, so keep an eye out for any leftover stickers, notepads, and coloring books over the summer. But the patches are not going to be available to non-backers at all; we may have a way for backers to buy extras if we have any left over, but that's it.

As far as the PDF stories, I'm sure most of them will be available in print at some point, even if they are spread out over a few different books.
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If anyone gets one of the misprinted coloring books, message me on Kickstarter and I'll add you to the list. So far we have about a dozen reports, and a lot more than that have gotten them with no problems, so it seems to be a fluke. We've now instructed the packers to double-check the coloring books as they're inserted, so it shouldn't be an issue going forward.
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:45 PM   Top  -  End  -  #853
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Think of us as the guinea-pigs. We're here to look for typos and printing errors before you get your hands on the pristine version.
And I would love to see me sell some of the Ork Beserkers or Goblin Beserkers as misprints of the first series for an unbelievable amount of money...

Damn, it only says I may print it, not sell the prints. Well, back to work then.
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:19 PM   Top  -  End  -  #854
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I've said this before, and I'll say it again: in all likelihood, almost everything from the KS Drive will become available to all. In time.
Except that past history says otherwise. Rich has never re-released any of the magnets that were convention and pre-order bonuses. (except in this drive, which was just what he had leftover.)

He's even stated that he doesn't re-release exclusives to avoid diminishing the accomplishment of people who got the first ones.
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:44 PM   Top  -  End  -  #855
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Hmmmm: I don't remember saying everything would likely be. But, that almost everything. For good reason.

The important stuff like the pdfs and the colouring book are a shoo-in. And, considering how the minis are going down... well... <shrugs>
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:24 AM   Top  -  End  -  #856
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He's even stated that he doesn't re-release exclusives to avoid diminishing the accomplishment of people who got the first ones.
The difference being, he's never said any of the things in this reprint drive are exclusive to it (apart from the patches). Plus, ThePhantasm's reposted comment from the Giant above pretty much confirms that the PDF material will eventually make its way to print, whether that's as bonus material in other books or as the mythical "Book K".
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:49 AM   Top  -  End  -  #857
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I'd say it's best to assume that nothing from the Kickstarter drive will be available to non-backers. That way, if something does become available, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:32 AM   Top  -  End  -  #858
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I employed my regular players to help put all the minis together:

detail: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...son_detail.jpg
Only four (Roy Greenhilt, an elf druid, a ranger and the warforged ranger) are missing, every single other one (including those from the legion sheets) is there. Impressive collection, innit?
And to think that'll actually be only a fourth of the total once Mr. Burlew gets around to making the other four seasons...

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Old 05-19-2012, 06:15 PM   Top  -  End  -  #860
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^ Wow: it's amazing to see them all together like that!

And, just how much did you have to restrain your group from immediately jumping into a game?
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That is so cool
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So I do have just one question about shipping now that it's getting into gear. Apparently my reward package now has all component parts available, with the reprints finished and the notepads rescued from incompetent printers. And I'm stuck over here in the antipodes, and even $43 worth of shipping can't get things to me much faster than a week and a half.

So do we get notified of shipping when it happens, is there tracking, and how long should we wait without having been told our box has shipped before bothering someone about it?
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Old 05-20-2012, 07:13 AM   Top  -  End  -  #863
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If anyone hasn't seen the picture of a notepad, Rich tweeted it: http://www.giantitp.com/Images/gitpkick/Notepad.png
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Rich has never re-released any of the magnets that were convention and pre-order bonuses. (except in this drive, which was just what he had leftover.)
Which is the reason why my tiny collector's heart will cry a good deal upon receiving the Roy magnet.
I'm still hoping for something like the Ornaments: a one-time-only, never-again possibility to complete the collection one had no prior chance of starting, even if it's at $25+ per magnet (the average for one magnet per the Kickstarter pledge). I'm not betting on it though.

But hey, patches and notepads and stickers and colouring books and art prints and digital rewards!
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So I do have just one question about shipping now that it's getting into gear. Apparently my reward package now has all component parts available, with the reprints finished and the notepads rescued from incompetent printers. And I'm stuck over here in the antipodes, and even $43 worth of shipping can't get things to me much faster than a week and a half.

So do we get notified of shipping when it happens, is there tracking, and how long should we wait without having been told our box has shipped before bothering someone about it?
I second this question.
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I'm still hoping for something like the Ornaments: a one-time-only, never-again possibility to complete the collection one had no prior chance of starting
He offered that...the $100 pledge level on Kickstarter would get you all the limited edition magnets. It was a *very* limited offer, though--just 10 were available, which suggests that the Giant simply doesn't have many of those older magnets left!
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:30 AM   Top  -  End  -  #868
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Any chance of making the pdf of the mini's available (for purchase) to those who missed out on the Kickstarter?
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:56 AM   Top  -  End  -  #869
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So I do have just one question about shipping now that it's getting into gear. Apparently my reward package now has all component parts available, with the reprints finished and the notepads rescued from incompetent printers. And I'm stuck over here in the antipodes, and even $43 worth of shipping can't get things to me much faster than a week and a half.

So do we get notified of shipping when it happens, is there tracking, and how long should we wait without having been told our box has shipped before bothering someone about it?
I can't speak to your particular Antipodal situation, but as a U.S. resident, I got an email from ship.manager@ookoodook.com last Thursday saying my shipment (which included no books or signed items) had been mailed. It included a United States Postal Service Priority tracking number, and a link to their tracking site.

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I can't speak to your particular Antipodal situation, but as a U.S. resident, I got an email from ship.manager@ookoodook.com last Thursday saying my shipment (which included no books or signed items) had been mailed. It included a United States Postal Service Priority tracking number, and a link to their tracking site.
I can't tell you how impressed I am by this kind of Kickstarter fulfillment compared to the other Kickstarters I've funded. The five others:

1. Received, late, with no shipping notice
2. Due in January 2012, have received nothing, does not answer mail
3. Received, late, with no shipping notice
4. Have received digital rewards, but no physical rewards, which were due in January 2012
5. Due in April 2012, have received nothing, and the "pre-order" reward I selected is now available to purchase on Amazon for $6 cheaper

With that kind of track record I think we should be feeling pretty good about the progress made so far for OOTS
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